True Christians

[timewerx]

1 John 3:4-6
Everyone who sins breaks the law; in fact, sin is lawlessness. 5 But you know that he appeared so that he might take away our sins. And in him is no sin. 6 No one who lives in him keeps on sinning. No one who continues to sin has either seen him or known him.

Anyone here is a big fan of St John? Or is everyone here a big fan of Apostle Paul because what he teaches is easy salvation by faith alone?

If you keep on sinning and found it impossible to stop sinning it's because you still love the world, its wisdom and its ways and the world also loves you and you hate God! (See James 4:4 and John 15:19)

Everyone wants to live their lives in style but no, according to John 12:25 and Matthew 16:24-25

That is why it is very hard for the rich to enter the Kingdom of Heaven because they love the world, otherwise, they won't be rich or they will give away much of their possessions upon knowing Jesus because they want to deny themselves, to hate their lives for the sake of Jesus. Many of you today are rich by the standards of Jesus times.

The rich will find it impossible to stop sinning because they love the world which is evil and themselves.

Matthew 7:14
But small is the gate and narrow the road that leads to life, and only a few find it.

Matthew 7:22-23
On that day many will say to me, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and cast out demons in your name, and do many mighty works in your name?’ 23 And then will I declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from me, you workers of lawlessness.’

 

[LST 1154]

1 Sam 2:3 ""Do not keep talking so proudly or let your mouth speak such arrogance, for the LORD is a God who knows, and by him deeds are weighed."

Luke 16:15 "Jesus said to them, "You are the ones who justify yourselves in the eyes of others, but God knows your hearts. What people value highly is detestable in God's sight."

LST

 

[timewerx]

Classic!

Shoot, discredit the messenger and walk away, hoping, the Truth hasn't done any damage to the illusion that has blinded many from the Truth.

If I am wrong in my understanding of the verses I quoted in my OP, and possible that I'm the one living an illusion please do tell. It's quite important others would know, because you can't just tear it out the Bible.

 

[child630]

1 John 3:4-6
Everyone who sins breaks the law; in fact, sin is lawlessness. 5 But you know that he appeared so that he might take away our sins. And in him is no sin. 6 No one who lives in him keeps on sinning. No one who continues to sin has either seen him or known him.

Anyone here is a big fan of St John? Or is everyone here a big fan of Apostle Paul because what he teaches is easy salvation by faith alone?

If you keep on sinning and found it impossible to stop sinning it's because you still love the world, its wisdom and its ways and the world also loves you and you hate God! (See James 4:4 and John 15:19)

Everyone wants to live their lives in style but no, according to John 12:25 and Matthew 16:24-25

That is why it is very hard for the rich to enter the Kingdom of Heaven because they love the world, otherwise, they won't be rich or they will give away much of their possessions upon knowing Jesus because they want to deny themselves, to hate their lives for the sake of Jesus. Many of you today are rich by the standards of Jesus times.

The rich will find it impossible to stop sinning because they love the world which is evil and themselves.

Matthew 7:14
But small is the gate and narrow the road that leads to life, and only a few find it.

Matthew 7:22-23
On that day many will say to me, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and cast out demons in your name, and do many mighty works in your name?’ 23 And then will I declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from me, you workers of lawlessness.’

This is true. But I am extremely sinful. There is nothing good in me. But I have called upon the name of the Lord Jesus Christ. If I am not saved because of my sinful habits, then I will continue to call upon the name of the Lord Jesus all the way to hell.

 

[timewerx]

This is true. But I am extremely sinful. There is nothing good in me. But I have called upon the name of the Lord Jesus Christ. If I am not saved because of my sinful habits, then I will continue to call upon the name of the Lord Jesus all the way to hell.

It takes a radical solution to stop sinning. I could not include all the teachings of Jesus in my OP.

If you read on the teachings of Jesus in Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John. Those are the same teachings if obeyed completely will cause you to stop sinning completely.

The answer is in those four Gospels in Bible, read it, love it, live it.

 

[branchofthevine]

you are not really wrong in your understanding timewerx, but have you considered "how" one stops sinning, or "how long" it takes for one to stop sinning. Indeed, we read that we are transferred from the Kingdom of Darkness into the Kingdom of Light (See: Romans), but it is equally as true that we do not know how to live in the Kingdom of Light when we have been transferred there. Another way to say this: Those in Christ are a new creation but we do not know immediately how to live as a New Creation in Christ.

so have you thought about the how?

 

[timewerx]

I agree with you on the time. It's especially much more difficult to quit sinning in this modern age than it was before, in the early days of Christianity.

There's peer pressure, social pressure, family pressure, the list goes on and on. But if we let these things rule our lives, acknowledging them to be more real than God, choosing to follow what they want us to be even when it goes in conflict with what Jesus said, then Jesus is not alive in us and we cannot be set free from sin.

I don't wish to make it sound easy or can be accomplished overnight. It's difficult to come against what everyone believes, to challenge the status quo. But if we always look for praises of men than God, or fear being persecuted, we can never love God (James 4:4) and be set free from sin.

"The how" is a long list. Like I told to Child360, you'll have to read it for yourself in the four Gospels in the Bible. It's not as simple as telling you to stop sinning. That would be unfair if I don't tell you how to make it possible because by yourself, it is impossible! I'm telling you. You just need to make some effort at Bible reading.

 

[x141]

Remember from whence thou art fallen … is the place of innocence or true works, out of being this son that we are, the realm of take no thought or labor … the place that Jesus said, that they might be where I am, and behold my glory, which is the glory given us … Father/God, this is the beginning and end of understanding. This is an absolute. No question of what is left or right, a mind in the form of a servant, in this life.

The church this speaks to relates to the corresponding creative day, and in the same way it relates to the three realms of (which is the process of that), perception of the revealing of the Son in us, found in the book of Revelation. This is the pattern found in all things, being it is in this relationship with our soul, which collectively and individually reveals the soul of God, which again, in type, relates to the three main feasts, one is called up to keep.

Faith creates/manifests the works we walk in or else we could establish our own righteousness.

If there was just one thing we could do that could establish this, there would be no need of God.

The only works that stand up to God’s judgment is the works that he himself is, his own. This is the works we are.

It is a thief and a robber who comes up another way, which are those who labor by thought to be. We must not rob God by implying that to be equal with him is something to attain to, having been born of him.

To uncover another’s nakedness is to pierce this Truth, or Son, an only Son, who is an only begotten.

The spiritual is the literal, and how it, when the final veil is seen to be torn by all, will appear to us as this Life that the Father is, in whom we have always lived and moved and had our being. Even now it is beginning to appear, for those who have eyes to see and ears to hear … Christ is being revealed in the land, a hundredfold in the midst of famine.

To be chosen is to become a messenger that separates the tares from the wheat in others even as it has been separated in one’s self.

Do not under estimate the words of Paul; they are not what the majority see them to be.

 

[PaladinValer]

True Christians are defined by whether they agree with the Nicene Creed or not.

Hypocrites like to use other statements to try to exclude based on pietistic holier-than-thou, but the Creed is a historic and anti-hypocritical statement that doesn't attempt to shame people because of their sorrowful sinfulness.

We all sin; therefore, don't condemn another as a non-Christian for sin when we all sin. Instead, base it on the historic Creed.

 

[x141]

A true son is defined by God, who is Truth, whom without there is no true definition.

 

[PaladinValer]

The Nicene creed is wrong. It's wrong about Easter, which is a demonic version of passover.

You need to review the rules of this website. If you disagree with the Creed, you shouldn't be posting in the Christian-only section or use a Christian icon.

The Creed is THE statement of Christian orthodoxy and its theology is rooted in Apostolic, historical witnesses. This is beyond any factual contestation.

 

[timewerx]

True Christians are defined by whether they agree with the Nicene Creed or not.

Hypocrites like to use other statements to try to exclude based on pietistic holier-than-thou, but the Creed is a historic and anti-hypocritical statement that doesn't attempt to shame people because of their sorrowful sinfulness.

We all sin; therefore, don't condemn another as a non-Christian for sin when we all sin. Instead, base it on the historic Creed.

Yes, but you and I use the same Bible are we not? NIV, KJV, NLT, ESV, etc etc..

Are the verses I quoted in my OP supposed to mean something else? Or are we supposed to ignore it, never read those parts of the Bible?

 

[PaladinValer]

Yes, but you and I use the same Bible are we not? NIV, KJV, NLT, ESV, etc etc..

Are the verses I quoted in my OP supposed to mean something else? Or are we supposed to ignore it, never read those parts of the Bible?

No buts...is the Creed THE defining statement of who is a Christian? Yes or no.
Do ALL people, even Christians, struggle with sin? Yes or no.

My point is proven.

 

[ViaCrucis]

Yes, but you and I use the same Bible are we not? NIV, KJV, NLT, ESV, etc etc..

Are the verses I quoted in my OP supposed to mean something else? Or are we supposed to ignore it, never read those parts of the Bible?

Quoting Scripture and comprehending Scripture are very different things.

You had to excise St. Paul from the Canon in order for your private interpretations to "come out right". That alone makes it suspect.

In addition, what you're suggesting is at best Semi-Pelagianism and at worst ordinary Pelagianism. Both are heretical. You've removed the Gospel from your theology and in its stead fashioned your own religion; the fruit of which, apparently, is so you can play the role of Judge, choosing between the sheep and the goats with your own personal criteria.

-CryptoLutheran

 

[timewerx]

No buts...is the Creed THE defining statement of who is a Christian? Yes or no.
Do ALL people, even Christians, struggle with sin? Yes or no.

My point is proven.

Yes, But the Nicene Creed does not disagree with my OP either.

Jesus came for our salvation from death. A lot of the teachings of Jesus concerned with repentance of sins and keeping from sinning. The wages of sin is death, the commands/teachings of Jesus is supposed to lead us away/free us from sins.

Salvation comes in two parts, first by forgiveness of past sins through repentance. 2nd part is through freedom from slavery of sin which comes through following Jesus, His teachings.

If anyone finds it very difficult to stop sinning is because they don't obey many of the teachings of Jesus. They find no interest in His teachings, thus, don't know Him well.

1 John 3:6
No one who lives in him keeps on sinning. No one who continues to sin has either seen him or known him.

I don't wish this message condemns anyone. As long as you are alive, there's still opportunity to repent, to know Jesus for true this time.

 

[REPHAIAHPEDAHEL]

I am a big fan of the apostle Paul!

Acts 13:38-39 YLT `Let it therefore be known to you, men, brethren, that through this one to you is the forgiveness of sins declared,and from all things from which ye were not able in the law of Moses to be declared righteous, in this one every one who is believing is declared righteous;

Forgiveness of sins and righteousness by faith is the gospel!

 

[timewerx]

I am a big fan of the apostle Paul!

Acts 13:38-39 YLT `Let it therefore be known to you, men, brethren, that through this one to you is the forgiveness of sins declared,and from all things from which ye were not able in the law of Moses to be declared righteous, in this one every one who is believing is declared righteous;

This is what believing means:

1 John 2:4
Whoever says, “I know him,” but does not do what he commands is a liar, and the truth is not in that person.

Forgiveness only applies to sins you have repented from. If you sin again or discover a sin you don't know to be a sin before, you must repent of that too.

 

[x141]

Forgiveness is something we walk in,even as sin is something that the Lamb of God took away, whether we exalt our thoughts above this or not. If Jesus said it was finished, who am I (by eating of the fruit of my own reasoning), to argue with God.

 

[timewerx]

The Creed ONLY defines who is a Christian. I am a sinful individual who constantly struggles with sin, each and every day. Anyone who says they don't is a liar. Yet I believe in each word of the Nicene Creed as it has always been interpreted, which makes me a bonafide Christian.

I don't wish to condemn anyone but the wish this might cause one to repent.

Are we supposed to ignore these beautiful verses in the Bible?

1 John 2:3-6 (KJV)
And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.
4 He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.5 But whoso keepeth his word, in him verily is the love of God perfected: hereby know we that we are in him.6 He that saith he abideth in him ought himself also so to walk, even as he walked.

Love that text in bold!

1 John 3:3-6 (NIV)
All who have this hope in him purify themselves, just as he is pure.

4 Everyone who sins breaks the law; in fact, sin is lawlessness. 5 But you know that he appeared so that he might take away our sins. And in him is no sin. 6 No one who lives in him keeps on sinning. No one who continues to sin has either seen him or known him.

 

[PaladinValer]

I don't wish to condemn anyone but the wish this might cause one to repent.

Are we supposed to ignore these beautiful verses in the Bible?

1 John 2:3-6 (KJV)
And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.
4 He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.5 But whoso keepeth his word, in him verily is the love of God perfected: hereby know we that we are in him.6 He that saith he abideth in him ought himself also so to walk, even as he walked.

Love that text in bold!

1 John 3:3-6 (NIV)
All who have this hope in him purify themselves, just as he is pure.

4 Everyone who sins breaks the law; in fact, sin is lawlessness. 5 But you know that he appeared so that he might take away our sins. And in him is no sin. 6 No one who lives in him keeps on sinning. No one who continues to sin has either seen him or known him.

Ignores the rest of my point that goes along with it. Straw Man and automatically invalid and void.