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In Matthew 7:21-31 it says, “Not everyone who says to me “Lord, Lord” will enter into the kingdom of heaven, but only he who does the will of my Father who is in Heaven. Many will say to Me on that day, “Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in Your name, and in Your name drive out demons and perform many miracles?” Then I will tell them plainly, “I never knew you. Away from me you evil doers!”

What Jesus is saying is that there will be some “Christians” who are not really truly Christians. Think about the word Christian. It means Christ-like. If we are not obedient to His Word, how can we be Christ-like? 1 John 2:3-3 says, “We know that we have come to know him if we obey His commands. The man who says, “I know Him,” but does not what he commands is a liar, and the truth is not in him. But if anyone obeys His Word, God’s Love is truly made complete in him. This is how we know we are in Him: Who ever claims to live in Him must walk as Jesus did.

Therefore, you cannot truly be a Christian unless you do what His Word directs you to do, or not do what He tells you not to do. According to James 2:17, “In the same way, faith by itself, if it is not accompanied by action, is dead.”

This proves that only believing there is a God who sent His Son to die for our sins is not going to get you to heaven. It also takes doing His will. James 2:19 states, “You believe that there is one God. Good! Even the demons believe that – and shudder.”

Our faith can only be justified through our works. Look at Abraham, the Bible says that, “his faith and his actions were working together and his faith was made complete by what he did.” (Referring to taking his son, Isaac, to the alter to be sacrificed.) We are no different. Life is a daily test of our faith. Will we say “yes Lord” or not? When he convicts us of something, will we act upon it, or ignore it? These are serious questions; your soul depends on your response.

There is one way to tell if someone is a Christian. The Bible teaches us that that one way is by the fruit of the Spirit. They are, in order, love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, and self-control. How can the Spirit of God be in you without your producing of these things? Galatians 5: 16-18 tells us, “So I say, live by the Spirit, and you will not gratify the desires of the flesh. For the flesh desires what is contrary to the Spirit, and the Spirit what is contrary to the flesh. They are in conflict with each other so that you do not do what you want. But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the Law.”

This is telling us that if we have the Spirit of God inside of us, we will not do the things that we are not suppose to do. Things such as, “Sexual immorality, impurity, debauchery, idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, discord, jealousy, fits of rage, selfish ambition, dissensions, fractions, envy, drunkenness, orgies, and the like.” I’m not saying you will be perfect, no one is, but if you are led by the Spirit, these things will not be the things that the people around you label you as.

Look at your own life. Are you a true Christian? Do you have a personal relationship with the God that loves you? If you call yourself a born-again believer, are you acting thru your new self, or the old one? If your answer is no to any of these, you had better get your life with Him strait fast. He is coming soon.
 

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Matt 7:
21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.


Regardless of the claim of these people on judgment day, were they ever believers?
Verse 23 says they were not.

"...I never knew you..."

There will be no surprises on that day.


 
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Every Christian sect believes they are the "true" Christians abd all other sects are apostate.

Every Christian sect has their own set of criteria about what consitutes a "true" Christian, and suprisingly enough ewach sect lives up to those criteria exactly.

Every Christian sect claims the Holy Spirit has told them what the truth is, and surprisingly enough the Holy Spirit agrees with their criteria.

With so many conflicting claims how is anyone to know who the "true" Christian is? They can't all have the "truth" now can they? Could it be that the Holy Spirit isn't speaking to everyone who claims it is?
 
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Good Job man I Agree with you, everyone better be in one with him and have a relationship with him, and most of all be listening to his still, small voice on the inside of them, so he will lead and guide them, and not us!Can't wait He is soon to appear in the clouds, his return in the rapture will either be a blessing or a curse, simply put you were either ready or you werent. love you man
 
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Havoc,
in response to the statement, "With so many conflicting claims how is anyone to know who the "true" Christian is? They can't all have the "truth" now can they? Could it be that the Holy Spirit isn't speaking to everyone who claims it is?" i want you to understand that the only truth is the Bible. Personally, if i ever think i have revolation from God, i check the Bible to confirm it. I dont put it past saten to decieve me by leading me to think God is requireing me of something that He isnt. Some people believe that the WHOLE Bible isnt correct, only bits a peices of it b/c of it being retranslated over the years, well that is balogny<sp?> EVERY SINGLE PART OF THE BIBLE IS THE TRUTH. THERE ARE NO MISTAKES. Therefore, in conclusion, God wouldnt tell you a different "truth" from the Bible.
 
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Havoc said:
Every Christian sect believes they are the "true" Christians abd all other sects are apostate.

Every Christian sect has their own set of criteria about what consitutes a "true" Christian, and suprisingly enough ewach sect lives up to those criteria exactly.

Every Christian sect claims the Holy Spirit has told them what the truth is, and surprisingly enough the Holy Spirit agrees with their criteria.

With so many conflicting claims how is anyone to know who the "true" Christian is? They can't all have the "truth" now can they? Could it be that the Holy Spirit isn't speaking to everyone who claims it is?

Yes, it is possible that the Holy Spirit isn't speaking to them. It is also possible that the Spirit is speaking to them, but they don't listen or they twist things to their liking. In either case, the Bible, helps us to sort out those types. The Holy Spirit can reveal their errors if one is spiritually in tune. Most of the time, people give themselves away by what they say and how they behave. I personally can tell rather quickly when someone is full of themselves. Keep in mind that not all Christians are at the same level of maturity in their spirituality. Couple that with the fact that normal human selfishness creeps in.

You need to understand the state of mankind. Man is an inferior creature. Without proper guidance from his Creator, he will believe lies, twist the truth, and become disobedient. So it goes with many who make claims that can't be substantiated in Bible. The Bible is not just a book with text: it is an instructional manual from God. You can tell who are impostors by their fruit; that is if you have discernment.
 
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Be it not Havocs fault for responding the way she did, its the christians fault because were not all in tune with the Holy Spirit, and I dont claim I always am either, anyways I can understand what Havoc is saying, with so many christians running off there own strength instead of the Holy Spirits strength thats why there is so much confusion, which christians are we to believe, simple all off them because eventually sooner or later God will lead them into the right direction even if there not listening to the Holy Spirit. So put confusion aside because Jesus is not the author of confusion but of truth. And I do agree with meg on fire and peaceful soul totally, just all of us christians need to be more in tune with the Holy Spirits voice and to listen to him instead of always talking Amen.
 
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I think the key indication of the problem is the judgement by Christ of " you evildoers". They were primarily, and foremost, evildoers. Their primary orientation was not towards God, but instead they were masquerading as Christians, saying "Lord, lord", and using the authority of the Lord to do miracles, and the like. They were phoneys, they never had a relationship to Christ. Christ said he never knew them. They were not Christians. I believe in a sense Jesus was saying something like ["hey, realize you can delude yourself into thinking your going to get into the kingdom of God by not actual really turning to me, confessing your sins, and by not actually accepting my Lordship over you.]

I don't think they ever were Christians, they were never born again by the Holy Spirit.
 
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Hi Everyone:

Having only been a conscious Christian for about 30 years or so, I am still learning...

So I offer only this: Perhaps the most important lesson for each of us is to ensure that we are not one of those poor souls who hears those words!

How devastating will that be to those who think that what they are doing is His will!

That we should each "work out our salvation with fear and trembling", endeavoring now to be one of the wise virgins, and seek to hear instead, "Well done, good and faithful servant..."
 
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Havoc said:
Every Christian sect believes they are the "true" Christians abd all other sects are apostate.
This is not a true statement. Love "believes all things" for people which means to give the benefit of the doubt. There are some that do judge harshly, but they will have to be judged by their own standard. Christians are merciful, but cannot deny the truth. They are instructed to be watchmen over their brothers and warn them of danger. Many cry foul and imagine hateful things about those that would warn them for the good of their own spirititual life.

1 Corinthians 13:7 Beareth all things, believeth all things, hopeth all things, endureth all things.

Matthew 7:2 For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.

Luke 6:37 Judge not, and ye shall not be judged: condemn not, and ye shall not be condemned: forgive, and ye shall be forgiven:
 
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Hi Everyone:

Having only been a conscious Christian for about 30 years or so, I am still learning...

So I offer only this: Perhaps the most important lesson for each of us is to ensure that we are not one of those poor souls who hears those words!

How devastating will that be to those who think that what they are doing is His will!

That we should each "work out our salvation with fear and trembling", endeavoring now to be one of the wise virgins, and seek to hear instead, "Well done, good and faithful servant..."

Amen, leastone.

God bless you.
 
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Matt 7:
21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

Regardless of the claim of these people on judgment day, were they ever believers?
Verse 23 says they were not.

"...I never knew you..."

There will be no surprises on that day.

Wow... Brinny liked this today... I posted this 14 years ago. S'got to be the oldest response I have received. I joined in 2002. You are digging deep Brinny!
 
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