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[Colter]

That very much describes the experience that I linked to in post #72.

The experience you described is nothing more than a childish ruse intended to mock religious people carried out by an insincere person who gets his rocks off antagonizing religious people on a Christian forum. We have nothing in common, I have nothing more to discus with you.

 

[Davian]

They don't seem imaginary to me at all, that's an accusation that you came up with,

Allow me to clarify: seems imaginary to others, particularly those that do not believe in gods, or believe in some other god.

an explanation that seems real to you because you have the need to rationalize away the experience of others rather then just take them on face value.

I cannot take god claims at face value. They are inconsistent, contradictory, and incoherent.

You obviously do not take all god claims at face value. Why should I?

 

[Davian]

The experience you described is nothing more than a childish ruse intended to mock religious people carried out by an insincere person who gets his rocks of antagonizing religious people on a Christian forum.

You are now accusing me of lying? Where do you get off telling people what they are thinking? How very rude of you.

We have nothing in common, I have nothing more to discus with you.

I am always here, if you want to javelin more.

 

[Davian]

I don't believe anyone doubts your experiences appear very real to yourself. The point being made is, the mind is capable of creating very real experiences, that are self generated. Of course, you have no objective verification for your experiences, so I can see why you want to claim they are not self generated.

Have you ever heard of the people who have claimed to have been abducted by aliens, taken aboard a space craft and probed with medical devices and then returned home? There have actually been quite a few of these experiences documented and those that have them, have passed lie detector tests and have recollected them under hypnosis.

Do you think these people were really probed with medical devices by aliens, or would you think these experiences were self generated?

I gather that he wants *his* experiences to be taken at face value, but not those of others.

 

[bhsmte]

I gather that he wants *his* experiences to be taken at face value, but not those of others.

It would appear, those who don't have similar experiences, just aren't trying hard enough and or are stubborn atheists.

Hey, whatever works for you.

 

[Colter]

How?

Knowing the presence of God is innate in the "reality response" to universe reality, but when one becomes fully invested in sin and then iniquity (deliberate rejection of deity) they loose their ability to distinguish truth from error. They are reckoned among the dead.

"There are many ways of looking at sin, but from the universe philosophic viewpoint sin is the attitude of a personality who is knowingly resisting cosmic reality. Error might be regarded as a misconception or distortion of reality. Evil is a partial realization of, or maladjustment to, universe realities. But sin is a purposeful resistance to divine reality — a conscious choosing to oppose spiritual progress — while iniquity consists in an open and persistent defiance of recognized reality and signifies such a degree of personality disintegration as to border on cosmic insanity." UB 1955​

 

[Freodin]

Knowing the presence of God is innate in the "reality response" to universe reality, but when one becomes fully invested in sin and then iniquity (deliberate rejection of deity) they loose their ability to distinguish truth from error. They are reckoned among the dead.

"There are many ways of looking at sin, but from the universe philosophic viewpoint sin is the attitude of a personality who is knowingly resisting cosmic reality. Error might be regarded as a misconception or distortion of reality. Evil is a partial realization of, or maladjustment to, universe realities. But sin is a purposeful resistance to divine reality — a conscious choosing to oppose spiritual progress — while iniquity consists in an open and persistent defiance of recognized reality and signifies such a degree of personality disintegration as to border on cosmic insanity." UB 1955​

The inability to recognize that this assertion is self-refuting is one of the main features of religious thought.

 

[Colter]

The inability to recognize that this assertion is self-refuting is one of the main features of religious thought.

The inability or unwillingness to share the inner life with God is the main feature if the Atheist faith.

 

[Colter]

"Science is a quantitative experience, religion a qualitative experience, as regards man’s life on earth. Science deals with phenomena; religion, with origins, values, and goals. To assign causes as an explanation of physical phenomena is to confess ignorance of ultimates and in the end only leads the scientist straight back to the first great cause — the Universal Father of Paradise." UB 1955​

 

[Archaeopteryx]

The inability or unwillingness to share the inner life with God is the main feature if the Atheist faith.

What faith?

 

[Eudaimonist]

The inability or unwillingness to share the inner life with Zeus is the main feature of the Ahellenic faith.


eudaimonia,

Mark

 

[Colter]

The progress of science leads to the elimination of previously held false theories, the progress of religious evolution leads to the mortality of false God concepts. Both of these developments in the evolution of the cosmic economy served the purpose as the scaffolding for emerging truth.

If we had a record in a series of books spanning thousands of years of all that so called science speculated about concerning the material world, it would look just as convoluted as the current Bible book list.

 

[Archaeopteryx]

The progress of science leads to the elimination of previously held false theories, the progress of religious evolution leads to the mortality of false God concepts. Both of these developments in the evolution of the cosmic economy served the purpose as the scaffolding for emerging truth.

If we had a record in a series of books spanning thousands of years of all that so called science speculated about concerning the material world, it would look just as convoluted as the current Bible book list.

How does one determine which God concepts are false? Science has a way of figuring out which theories offer better explanations for particular phenomena. How does religion eliminate false God concepts? Every time we ask you this you become indignant and baselessly accuse us of insincerity.

 

[Colter]

The inability or unwillingness to share the inner life with Zeus is the main feature of the Ahellenic faith.


eudaimonia,

Mark

Hey I scarfed your protest picture for my FB, I laugh every time I see that

 

[bhsmte]

Knowing the presence of God is innate in the "reality response" to universe reality, but when one becomes fully invested in sin and then iniquity (deliberate rejection of deity) they loose their ability to distinguish truth from error. They are reckoned among the dead.

"There are many ways of looking at sin, but from the universe philosophic viewpoint sin is the attitude of a personality who is knowingly resisting cosmic reality. Error might be regarded as a misconception or distortion of reality. Evil is a partial realization of, or maladjustment to, universe realities. But sin is a purposeful resistance to divine reality — a conscious choosing to oppose spiritual progress — while iniquity consists in an open and persistent defiance of recognized reality and signifies such a degree of personality disintegration as to border on cosmic insanity." UB 1955​

Still doesn't answer how one can reliably determine if they are imagining things.

 

[Colter]

Still doesn't answer how one can reliably determine if they are imagining things.

Can you tell the difference between imaginary sex and real sex? They both end the same way but are very different.

 

[Colter]

Former Atheist Academic Who Rejected God and Believed ‘Smart People Don’t Become Christians’ Reveals What Changed Her Mind Entirely



Former Atheist Academic Who Rejected God and Believed ‘Smart People Don’t Become Christians’ Reveals What Changed Her Mind Entirely | TheBlaze.com

 

[bhsmte]

Can you tell the difference between imaginary sex and real sex? They both end the same way but are very different.

Sure I can, and if I need to explain why, that is a whole different matter.

 

[bhsmte]

Former Atheist Academic Who Rejected God and Believed ‘Smart People Don’t Become Christians’ Reveals What Changed Her Mind Entirely



Former Atheist Academic Who Rejected God and Believed ‘Smart People Don’t Become Christians’ Reveals What Changed Her Mind Entirely | TheBlaze.com

And of the billions of people in the world, what does this tell us exactly.

I am sure you don't want me to remind you, many more people are leaving religious beliefs, as opposed to latching onto religious beliefs.

 

[Eudaimonist]

Why I Became an Atheist: A Former Preacher Rejects Christianity

Why I Became an Atheist: A Former Preacher Rejects Christianity: John W. Loftus: 9781591025924: Amazon.com: Books