Trudeau

[Black Dog]

I think he should thank the United State military for making his election even possible. The main reason Canada does not need to pull its weight militarily is their superpower neighbors to the south.

No, it's because their leadership doesn't get them involved in wars around the globe, murdering millions, making tens of million hate us for the rest of their lives, and making insider zillionaires into gazzillionaires along the way.

For those not familiar with higher math, zillionaires < gazzillionaires

 

[faroukfarouk]

No, it's because their leadership doesn't get them involved in wars around the globe, murdering millions, making tens of million hate us for the rest of their lives, and making insider zillionaires into gazzillionaires along the way.

For those not familiar with higher math, zillionaires < gazzillionaires

Canadian Prime Minister Chrétien said, No thanks, to participating in the intervention in Iraq, which seems to have become another Bay of Pigs.

 

[Black Dog]

Canadian Prime Minister Chrétien said, No thanks, to participating in the intervention in Iraq, which seems to have become another Bay of Pigs.

For someone who talked out the side of his mouth, that guy was pretty darn smart. (The side of the mouth remark is an inside joke, for those who don't know, look it up. He was obviously a smart and capable PM for Canada)

 

[jgarden]

Just wondering what my American friends think of the new Prime Minister-elect of Canada Justin Trudeau and the platform he was elected on. How will it impact the US?

https://www.liberal.ca/realchange/

Thank you.

Given that American conservatives have labelled the president as a Marxist over Obamacare, I'd hate to see what they'd have to say about Trudeau and Canada given the Liberal platform.

 

[faroukfarouk]

Given that American conservatives have labelled the president as a Marxist over Obamacare, I'd hate to see what they'd have to say about Trudeau and Canada given the Liberal platform.

Umm...one of the things Prime Minister Elect Trudeau is doing is implementing tax cuts for the middle class. (Like JFK did...) In other words, in some ways he's even more conservative than the Conservative government he is replacing.

 

[faroukfarouk]

For someone who talked out the side of his mouth, that guy was pretty darn smart. (The side of the mouth remark is an inside joke, for those who don't know, look it up. He was obviously a smart and capable PM for Canada)

Yes, well the ad people for outgoing Prime Minister Kim Campbell in 1993 asked: 'Would you buy a used car from this man?' about Mr. Chrétien. It was taken as a comment on the shape of his mouth, which was deformed when he was a boy at wedding on a bitterly cold day (it gets really cold up in Quebec). So of course, all touchy feely, the Conservatives ended up having to grovel and say, Sorry, Ollie, and ended up with just one or two seats in the election, leaving regionalist parties as the national opposition.

 

[Black Dog]

Yes, well the ad people for outgoing Prime Minister Kim Campbell in 1993 asked: 'Would you buy a used car from this man?' about Mr. Chrétien. It was taken as a comment on the shape of his mouth, which was deformed when he was a boy at wedding on a bitterly cold day (it gets really cold up in Quebec). So of course, all touchy feely, the Conservatives ended up having to grovel and say, Sorry, Ollie, and ended up with just one or two seats in the election, leaving regionalist parties as the national opposition.

I remember reading about that, Conservatives attacking someone for a physical characteristic. There's something you don't see every day [/sarcasm].

 

[faroukfarouk]

I remember reading about that, Conservatives attacking someone for a physical characteristic. There's something you don't see every day [/sarcasm].

But then the Canadian Foreign Affairs Minister in the Harper Government, Maxime Bernier, went to Rideau Hall to receive his seal of office from the Governor-General on The Queen's behalf, and people in the media started taking about the wardrobe / neckline / physical characteristics of his significant other. Soon to be former significant other. Whose previous significant other was a Hell's Angel with a criminal conviction. When Foreign Minister Bernier then left a secret NATO document at the apartment of his (former) significant other, some people wondered if the document was now the effective property of the Hell's Angels. Sympathetic Conservatives claimed that others were complaining about the Foreign Minister's former significant other's apartment contents and their possible relation to her previous, former significant Hell's Angel other, only because they had also been unfairly criticizing her wardrobe / neckline / physical characteristics.

However, this argument seemed weak.

Soon minister Bernier was fired, but ended up in the Harper Government again as a minister.

It was also commented that Conservative talent in Quebec is inherently thin. (So what are a few former significant others with previous Hell's Angel significant others, among friends?)

But the good news is, that the Canadian media seems to have stopped talking about the wardrobe / neckline / physical characteristics of former Foreign Minister Bernier's former significant other.

And the other news is - good news or not - that Monsieur Bernier was recently reelected by the voters in his Quebec electoral district. Presumably proving that the wardrobe / neckline / physical characteristics of his former significant other, or her previous, Hell's Angel, criminally convicted significant other are no way problematic to them.

 

[faroukfarouk]

A top down government DOES have better control over their citizenry and IS able to make much quicker changes in its focus. I don't know what the "level of admiration" is but regardless, he has no desire for Canada to be like that. There is not an economic system on this planet that does not have SOME kind of redeeming quality; regardless of how messed up in may be in every other area.

There's not much hope of a centralized, command economy in Canada.

When the the George W. Bush and Obama Administrations bailed out General Motors in Detroit, the Ontario provincial government was also forced to bail out GM on the other side of the Detroit River, because it's uneconomic to have GM works on either side of the river functioning with different funding levels. The Federal government in Ottawa felt obliged to assist in the bailout also.

Now the Quebec government has just done a bailout of airplane manufacturer Bombardier. And it argues: if Ontario got Federal Canadian funds for its bailout of GM, then why shouldn't we have our matching Federal funds for our bailout of Bombardier also?

Or put differently, billion dollar bailouts for automobiles that buyers don't want, and billion dollar bailouts for airplanes that buyers don't want.

It does beg questions, though:

What are manufacturing plants for? Answer: evidently not to produce goods that buyers want, but for provincial governments to force Federal governments to bail them out.

What is the Canadian Federal Government for? Answer: evidently for US Administrations and Provincial governments to force it to engage in billion dollar bailouts at times of their choosing.

This is why there is little hope of a centralized, command economy in Canada.

Whether Harper or Trudeau: US administrations and provincial governments are likely to continue to kick Canadian Federal Governments around.

 

[Black Dog]

But then the Canadian Foreign Affairs Minister in the Harper Government, Maxime Bernier, went to Rideau Hall to receive his seal of office from the Governor-General on The Queen's behalf, and people in the media started taking about the wardrobe / neckline / physical characteristics of his significant other. Soon to be former significant other. Whose previous significant other was a Hell's Angel with a criminal conviction. When Foreign Minister Bernier then left a secret NATO document at the apartment of his (former) significant other, some people wondered if the document was now the effective property of the Hell's Angels. Sympathetic Conservatives claimed that others were complaining about the Foreign Minister's former significant other's apartment contents and their possible relation to her previous, former significant Hell's Angel other, only because they had also been unfairly criticizing her wardrobe / neckline / physical characteristics.

However, this argument seemed weak.

Soon minister Bernier was fired, but ended up in the Harper Government again as a minister.

It was also commented that Conservative talent in Quebec is inherently thin. (So what are a few former significant others with previous Hell's Angel significant others, among friends?)

But the good news is, that the Canadian media seems to have stopped talking about the wardrobe / neckline / physical characteristics of former Foreign Minister Bernier's former significant other.

And the other news is - good news or not - that Monsieur Bernier was recently reelected by the voters in his Quebec electoral district. Presumably proving that the wardrobe / neckline / physical characteristics of his former significant other, or her previous, Hell's Angel, criminally convicted significant other are no way problematic to them.

Wowser, sounds like "Another World".

 

[faroukfarouk]

Wowser, sounds like "Another World".

The philosopher Blaise Pascal said: "Truth on one side of the Pyrenees, error on the other." Stated differently, Canada is quite another country...

Although the demands of huge US corporations made to the US government can have unintended (the Cubans would even say, intended) consequences over the border also...

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[Paul K]

Well. Its true, Trudeau won as a prime minister elect. However, I need to make a statement that many canadians chose to vilify Harper just because of the "present" but they seems to have a very short memory. Since Harper was a prime minister for 12 years, He managed to keep Canada's economy stable during two worst economic recessions, He managed to establish multiple trade agreements with Asia and Europe, He managed to improve Canada's deficit and debt load. Harper decided to help the innocent people that were slaughtered by the ISIS so Canada sent some military forces over there to protect the innocents, and try to weaken the ISIS. So far those deeds are very admirable and honourable. Harper deserve a thank you and a warm send off. Trudeau has a huge shoe to fill and Good luck to Trudeau. All I hope is that Trudeau will not alienate the other half of the country.

Paul

 

[rambot]

Well. Its true, Trudeau won as a prime minister elect. However, I need to make a statement that many canadians chose to vilify Harper just because of the "present" but they seems to have a very short memory. Since Harper was a prime minister for 12 years, He managed to keep Canada's economy stable during two worst economic recessions,

The stability of our economy was due to the much stricter policies that banks had thanks to the previous Liberal government; NONE of our banks were anywhere near trouble; that's good policy (though I have heard Canadian banks got 9billion in money but it wasn't called "bailout". I should try to find that).

He managed to establish multiple trade agreements with Asia and Europe,

Pray, how has that affected our trade deficit?

He managed to improve Canada's deficit and debt load.

While similarly increasing our debt by about $150 Billion in six years?

Harper decided to help the innocent people that were slaughtered by the ISIS so Canada sent some military forces over there to protect the innocents, and try to weaken the ISIS.

Newsflash. Canada bombs are bombs that in the same way that the other 6 fighting groups have bombs that bomb people. ANYONE could get bombed by anyone else. This fight is intractable. We need to support the people who cannot live there; THAT is how you help Syrians. The country of Syrian? None of my bees wax.

So far those deeds are very admirable and honourable. Harper deserve a thank you and a warm send off. Trudeau has a huge shoe to fill and Good luck to Trudeau. All I hope is that Trudeau will not alienate the other half of the country.

 

[JM]

Will JT govern differently than Wynn? I doubt it.

 

[Paul K]

HMM. interesting, the chart you have up, showed that the economy crashed and Harper were left holding the reins. It was none of his fault that caused the crash in the first place. The economic bailout that He gave out, He did under very strict control because he didn't want to handout and bail out every single company that were in dire straits. All of those negative economic were not by harper's fault. IT was outside forces that caused it. Just like Mad Cow Disease that USA shut the borders against Canada caused Economic woes in Canada. All I want to see that Harper did an admirable job managing a country during the worst recession since the 30's. as for trades, Harper is trying to reduce our dependance on USA for our economic success. Harper wants to see different avenues of economic trades rather than depending on only one, USA. so we are not at the mercy of the Americans. So far, what happens in USA, impacts Canada severely. Harper didn't want that to happen again, so He decided to set up trade agreements with Asia, and europe and South america. That way what happens in USA, we still have other countries to continue the trade without the impact. Are we free to do what we wish without USA's approval? Of course, Last I looked, our flag are red and white with maple leaf on it. our figure head is the Queen of England. So there. Its my two cents and Im entitled to every 2 cents I can get.

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[Boondock_Saint]

I can't say I know anything about the guy. You guys are our Northern Friends. As long as our partnerships (Quebec Agreement and FACTA for instance) stay the same, I could only hope to see more progress in our efforts to clean The Great Lakes.