Trudeau

[Simmeh]

Just because Trudeau is the winnre I'm not aboot to celebrate by eating a bowl of poutine or running oot to the dep to spend a loonie on a bag of milk, eh.

What are you talking aboot?

We don't run in Canuckistan. We snowshoe. Or mush, if it's far.

 

[cow451]

And you don't think Canada would have negotiated a deal with Mexico to build a wall and have Mexico pay for it?

Nah. Mexico will build it and the US will pay for it. Mexico will then repay the US with oil revenues. The same deal that Iraq did with the US in 2003 after overthrowing Saddam.

 

[JM]

A quote from the Prime Minister-elect, "You know, there's a level of admiration I actually have for China because their basic dictatorship is allowing them to actually turn their economy around on a dime and say ‘we need to go green fastest...we need to start investing in solar.’"

 

[ArmenianJohn]

What are you talking aboot?

We don't run in Canuckistan. We snowshoe. Or mush, if it's far.

Oh yah, of course, eh - I meant "running" figuratively. Of course, EVERYONE from PEI to Saskatoon to First Peoples of NWT knows that we use our snowshoes or mushers, eh. Or if you live on an island like PEI you might have to take a boot across the water to get to your hoose. But we all are Canadiens, eh, we all enjoy our Maple Syrup crepes on Queen Victoria Day!!!

 

[Willtor]

Didn't that happened in 2008?

I think progressives _thought_ that was what they were getting in 2008. Turns out, not so much.

 

[nightflight]

A quote from the Prime Minister-elect, "You know, there's a level of admiration I actually have for China because their basic dictatorship is allowing them to actually turn their economy around on a dime and say ‘we need to go green fastest...we need to start investing in solar.’"

Oh my.

 

[Winken]

A quote from the Prime Minister-elect, "You know, there's a level of admiration I actually have for China because their basic dictatorship is allowing them to actually turn their economy around on a dime and say ‘we need to go green fastest...we need to start investing in solar.’"

Scary.

 

[rambot]

A top down government DOES have better control over their citizenry and IS able to make much quicker changes in its focus. I don't know what the "level of admiration" is but regardless, he has no desire for Canada to be like that. There is not an economic system on this planet that does not have SOME kind of redeeming quality; regardless of how messed up in may be in every other area.

 

[Crusader05]

Americans are vaguely aware that Canada exists, kinda like how a Rhinoceros is aware of the little birds that live on its back and eat the bugs off it. I am probably more knowledgeable on Canada than most Americans since I'm a hockey fan. Honestly, I think Canada will regret Trudeau. He's pulled Canadian jets from operations in Syria, shirking their responsibilities to help fight ISIS, it's shameful that a country that preaches about human rights would turn from the fight against the worst human rights abusers on the planet right now. I think they were sick of Harper and wanted a change of scenery, like we were after 8 years of Bush and will be after 8 years of Obama.

 

[JackRT]

I think he should thank the United State military for making his election even possible. The main reason Canada does not need to pull its weight militarily is their superpower neighbors to the south.

Statements like the above really get me going.


Since the very earliest days of settlement, the French settlers in what eventually became Canada and the British settlers in what eventually became the USA were at odds. In almost every instance the hostilities were initiated on the British side. After a long bitter war brilliantly fought against overwhelming odds the French were finally defeated in 1760. Canada, from that point, developed as a union of French and British.

In 1776 Canada was invaded by an American revolutionary army. This invasion was defeated. In the War of 1812 Canada was unsuccessfully invaded by the USA on several occasions. Ontario and Quebec are littered with battlefields almost every one being an American defeat. The last attempted invasion of Canada took place following the US Civil War by the Fenians. These were extreme Irish nationalists almost all of whom were former Union soldiers. They were armed and trained in the USA. This invasion was also defeated.

Since then the relationship between Canada and the USA has developed into the strongest friendship and alliance in the world.

In WW I after almost three years of neutrality the USA finally joined Canada and the other allies to defeat Germany. The US expeditionary force fought as a unified force under its own command for only the last 47 days to help finish off a Germany that was already reeling on the edge of defeat. In that war the Germans came to regard the Canadians as the shock troops of the allied armies. Then and now Canada is a nation of about 10% the population of the USA. In that war on a per capita basis Canada suffered 10 times the casualties of the USA.

Again in WW II Canada was at war for almost two years before the USA entered following Pearl Harbour. Again Canada and the USA fought side by side in many major engagements, the most noteworthy being D-Day when one Canadian, two British and two American divisions landed in Normandy. Canada finished the war with the third largest navy and the fourth largest air force in the world. On a per capita basis Canada suffered four times the casualty rate of the USA.

Again in Korea the USA and Canada fought together against a common enemy. Following the Battle of Kap Yong, the US President awarded a unit citation to a Canadian regiment. Following Korea, Canadian forces were mostly engaged in peacekeeping operations some of which became decidedly unpeaceful. Canada and USA fought together in the first Gulf War and again in Afghanistan and yet again in Libya. To date (2010) the per capita casualty rate of Canada in Afghanistan is twice that of the USA. Another presidential unit citation was awarded to a Canadian unit in that war. Canada was not directly involved in either the US Civil War or Viet Nam but it is estimated that over 10,000 Canadians served in the Union army and about 60,000 served in Viet Nam. Canada has had a long and proud military history in the defense freedom and democracy.

 

[Simmeh]

A top down government DOES have better control over their citizenry and IS able to make much quicker changes in its focus. I don't know what the "level of admiration" is but regardless, he has no desire for Canada to be like that. There is not an economic system on this planet that does not have SOME kind of redeeming quality; regardless of how messed up in may be in every other area.

If you look at the entire quote and not just the first sentence, you can see that he was baiting Sun News into quote-mining him. Evidently, they did.

 

[Arcangl86]

Honestly I don't know enough about him to have an opinion on how his policies might possibly effect America. One thing I am wondering though, is he being compared to his father? That is one heck of a legacy to live up to.

 

[citizenthom]

Statements like the above really get me going.


Since the very earliest days of settlement, the French settlers in what eventually became Canada and the British settlers in what eventually became the USA were at odds. In almost every instance the hostilities were initiated on the British side. After a long bitter war brilliantly fought against overwhelming odds the French were finally defeated in 1760. Canada, from that point, developed as a union of French and British.

In 1776 Canada was invaded by an American revolutionary army. This invasion was defeated. In the War of 1812 Canada was unsuccessfully invaded by the USA on several occasions. Ontario and Quebec are littered with battlefields almost every one being an American defeat. The last attempted invasion of Canada took place following the US Civil War by the Fenians. These were extreme Irish nationalists almost all of whom were former Union soldiers. They were armed and trained in the USA. This invasion was also defeated.

Since then the relationship between Canada and the USA has developed into the strongest friendship and alliance in the world.

In WW I after almost three years of neutrality the USA finally joined Canada and the other allies to defeat Germany. The US expeditionary force fought as a unified force under its own command for only the last 47 days to help finish off a Germany that was already reeling on the edge of defeat. In that war the Germans came to regard the Canadians as the shock troops of the allied armies. Then and now Canada is a nation of about 10% the population of the USA. In that war on a per capita basis Canada suffered 10 times the casualties of the USA.

Again in WW II Canada was at war for almost two years before the USA entered following Pearl Harbour. Again Canada and the USA fought side by side in many major engagements, the most noteworthy being D-Day when one Canadian, two British and two American divisions landed in Normandy. Canada finished the war with the third largest navy and the fourth largest air force in the world. On a per capita basis Canada suffered four times the casualty rate of the USA.

Again in Korea the USA and Canada fought together against a common enemy. Following the Battle of Kap Yong, the US President awarded a unit citation to a Canadian regiment. Following Korea, Canadian forces were mostly engaged in peacekeeping operations some of which became decidedly unpeaceful. Canada and USA fought together in the first Gulf War and again in Afghanistan and yet again in Libya. To date (2010) the per capita casualty rate of Canada in Afghanistan is twice that of the USA. Another presidential unit citation was awarded to a Canadian unit in that war. Canada was not directly involved in either the US Civil War or Viet Nam but it is estimated that over 10,000 Canadians served in the Union army and about 60,000 served in Viet Nam. Canada has had a long and proud military history in the defense freedom and democracy.

And your point is? Also it's polite to link when you copy-paste from a third-party source.

 

[rambot]

Americans are vaguely aware that Canada exists, kinda like how a Rhinoceros is aware of the little birds that live on its back and eat the bugs off it. I am probably more knowledgeable on Canada than most Americans since I'm a hockey fan. Honestly, I think Canada will regret Trudeau. He's pulled Canadian jets from operations in Syria, shirking their responsibilities to help fight ISIS, it's shameful that a country that preaches about human rights would turn from the fight against the worst human rights abusers on the planet right now. I think they were sick of Harper and wanted a change of scenery, like we were after 8 years of Bush and will be after 8 years of Obama.

I know this may sound shocking but Canada does not have a "responsibility" to help fight ISIS. It feels a bit ironic when you complain that "Canada preaches about human rights" and yet doesn't bomb a citizenry. I recognize the issue is slightly more complex than just that, but it still feels, at least a bit ironic.

As a Canadian, I believe we have a responsibility to take care of the citizens of that country that are getting bombed by everyone; ISIS, Assad, a dozen or so rebel groups, and how many different countries? Let's focus on the well being of the citizens. Bombing hasn't stabilized a country since the very end of WWII.

 

[Diamantina]

If I were Canadian (my paternal grandfather was born in St-Alexis-de-Matapédia, Quebec, and the family of my paternal grandmother came from Gentilly, Quebec, so it is not a totally implausible concept), I suspect that I would be sympathetic to the Liberals. However, I am very disappointed that Justin Trudeau has mandated that all Liberal candidates for Parliament be pro-choice. I would not have voted for any pro-choice candidate, but definitely not for any Tory either. Probably I would have ended up voting a blank ballot.

 

[ThatRobGuy]

Just wondering what my American friends think of the new Prime Minister-elect of Canada Justin Trudeau and the platform he was elected on. How will it impact the US?

https://www.liberal.ca/realchange/

Thank you.

It probably depends on who you talk to up there.

Among some up there, he's looked at as having somewhat of a "Bush syndrome"...not that he's in any way like George W. Bush from policy perspective...but along the lines that he's going to be a 2nd generation PM, and there are some people who REALLY didn't like his dad very much when he was in office back in the 80's...primarily stemming from the fact that they felt that his father gave too much special treatment and made too many special provisions for his fellow Quebec'rs & French speaking countrymen. (take a look at the "language police" situation in Quebec and you'll see why)

My family has a cabin in Ontario (about 2.5 hours Northeast of Toronto), and believe it or not, the family that takes care of the cabin for us...their eldest son is high up in the ministry of natural resources and has actually met Justin on numerous occasions...said he's a fairly nice guy.


As far as how it'll impact the US?...probably not much. One has to keep in mind, the political spectrum is vastly different in Canada than what it is here. Even the PM that's on his way out (Harper/conservative party), would be considered center-left by current US political perception.

 

[MerlinJ]

Among some up there, he's looked at as having somewhat of a "Bush syndrome"...not that he's in any way like George W. Bush from policy perspective...but along the lines that he's going to be a 2nd generation PM, and there are some people who REALLY didn't like his dad very much when he was in office back in the 80's...primarily stemming from the fact that they felt that his father gave too much special treatment and made too many special provisions for his fellow Quebec'rs & French speaking countrymen. (take a look at the "language police" situation in Quebec and you'll see why)

Do you think the Irish were right to abandon their language and culture in favor of becoming second-class citizens? Of course they eventually realized that it sucked, and started the Celtic Revival in the late 19th century, but that's pretty much the situation Quebec faced. I don't see any problem with Quebec maintaining its own culture as a part of Canada.

 

[ThatRobGuy]

Do you think the Irish were right to abandon their language and culture in favor of becoming second-class citizens? Of course they eventually realized that it sucked, and started the Celtic Revival in the late 19th century, but that's pretty much the situation Quebec faced. I don't see any problem with Quebec maintaining its own culture as a part of Canada.

Them having their own culture isn't a problem...the problem is that there are laws requiring everyone else in the country to accommodate them, but no such laws that requires them to reciprocate.

By law, a store in Calgary is required to have all signage and packaging in both English and French (in case there's someone from Quebec there on vacation), however, if you go into Montreal, it's illegal for you to even put English on your signs in many places.

Thus the reason I said "special treatment"...I have no problem with equal treatment.

Making laws that, in not so many words, say "You need to make sure that French speaking Canadians are as comfortable as possible when traveling to other parts of the country...but if you're English speaking and want to go to Quebec...either learn French or tough luck", would suggest that it's the inverse of what you described, it's essentially "Quebec first, everyone else is 2nd class or less than"...and from what I've heard from my friends and family up in Canada, that is essentially they way a lot of people from Quebec think. Although, they do say that attitude is worst in Montreal, and isn't as bad when you go to places like Quebec City.

 

[Diamantina]

The general public has been invited to the swearing-in of Justin Trudeau as the 23rd Prime Minister of Canada on Wednesday, November 4 at Rideau Hall in Ottawa. For those interested in witnessing the arrival of the Prime Minster-designate and his Cabinet, here is some information from the Governor General's office. (I'd attend if I were in the Ottawa area, but unfortunately I am in Southern California and cannot afford a last-minute ticket to travel to Canada.)

 

[faroukfarouk]

The general public has been invited to the swearing-in of Justin Trudeau as the 23rd Prime Minister of Canada on Wednesday, November 4 at Rideau Hall in Ottawa. For those interested in witnessing the arrival of the Prime Minster-designate and his Cabinet, here is some information from the Governor General's office. (I'd attend if I were in the Ottawa area, but unfortunately I am in Southern California and cannot afford a last-minute ticket to travel to Canada.)

Be prepared for some diplomatic flourishes in the months ahead. Already the US pharmaceuticals are lobbying against Justin Trudeau's promise to decriminalize cannabis. I myself have no desire to promote it for recreational purposes, but of course if it were not illegal then rival companies could do safe trials to produce cheaper meds, which would eat into the pharmaceutical companies' huge profits, and their representatives in Congress are thus likely to moralize against the Trudeau governments, not for moral reasons but for corporate profit reasons. Also: do expect a more independent foreign policy. It was a Liberal government which said No thanks, to participation in the the G W Bush Administration's intervention in Iraq which was foreseen to be, and became, a disaster.