Trouble understanding this scripture

[Stryder06]

I know that we are to use the bible and the bible alone as the reason for what we believe, but there are a few teachings that I'm not sure of how to refute.

I was looking at the whole Christ descending into Hell thing and honestly i'm not sure what the scripture that they use for this teaching is talking about. I know it doesn't mean what they think it does

"He (Jesus) was put to death in the flesh, but he was raised to life in the Spirit, in which also he went and preached to the disobedient spirits who were in prison in the days of Noah when God waited patiently while the ark was being built...For this is why the gospel was preached even to the dead so that, although they have already been judged in the flesh like men, they might have life in the Spirit like God." (1 Peter 3:18-20; 4:6)

Any help on this would be great. Thanks

On another note, is would anyone be interested in starting a SDA only study in the books of Daniel and Revelation?

 

[honorthesabbath]

Hi Stryder, here is how I understand this text...

"He (Jesus) was put to death in the flesh, but he was raised to life in the Spirit, in which also he went and preached to the disobedient spirits who were in prison in the days of Noah when God waited patiently while the ark was being built...For this is why the gospel was preached even to the dead so that, although they have already been judged in the flesh like men, they might have life in the Spirit like God." (1 Peter 3:18-20; 4:6)

I prefer the KJV..

1Pe 3:18 For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit:
19 By which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison;
Ps 143:11 Quicken me, O LORD, for thy name’s sake: for thy righteousness’ sake bring my soul out of trouble.

wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water.


Notice this line, 'but was quickenedd by the Spirit. It was the HOLY SPIRIT that brought Jesus back to life and by this SAME SPIRIT (the Holy Spirit);19:BY which He went and preached unto the spirits in prison".

See, it was the HOLY SPIRIT that did the preaching to the 'spirits in prison". But who are those spirits in prison and what is the prison? Let's see...

David saw his dire predicament as a 'prison'...Ps 142:7 Bring my soul out of prison, that I may praise thy name: the righteous shall compass me about; for thou shalt deal bountifully with me. (Notice the words 'soul out of prison? David was not dead, but as you know the 'soul' is the LIVING PERSON.

Ps 143:11 Quicken me, O LORD, for thy name’s sake: for thy righteousness’ sake bring my soul out of trouble.

See--the language is the same here.

Now, who are those spirits in prison, the bible plainly tells us, there is no guessing here..

:20 Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water.

There it is. These were the DISOBEDIENT antediluvians, that Christ, through the HOLY SPIRIT (thru Noah) preached to while the ARK was being built!!!!

2Pe 2:5 And spared not the old world, but saved Noah the eighth person, a preacher of righteousness, bringing in the flood upon the world of the ungodly;

TADA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! giggle!

 

[honorthesabbath]

On another note, is would anyone be interested in starting a SDA only study in the books of Daniel and Revelation?

That would be cool!

 

[RND]

"He (Jesus) was put to death in the flesh, but he was raised to life in the Spirit, in which also he went and preached to the disobedient spirits who were in prison in the days of Noah when God waited patiently while the ark was being built...For this is why the gospel was preached even to the dead so that, although they have already been judged in the flesh like men, they might have life in the Spirit like God." (1 Peter 3:18-20; 4:6)

Here's my take, which is remarkably similar to HTS's:

The same "Spirit" (the Holy Spirit because spirit is capitalized) that raised Jesus to life from the grave (quickened) is the same "Spirit" that preached to those that were disobedient and in prison during the time that Noah was building the Ark.

Prison is a common metaphor for those captured and ensnared in the dungeon of sin.

Psa 142:7 Bring my soul out of prison, that I may praise thy name: the righteous shall compass me about; for thou shalt deal bountifully with me.

Isa 42:7 To open the blind eyes, to bring out the prisoners from the prison, [and] them that sit in darkness out of the prison house.

Isa 42:22 But this [is] a people robbed and spoiled; [they are] all of them snared in holes, and they are hid in prison houses: they are for a prey, and none delivereth; for a spoil, and none saith, Restore.

Isa 61:1 The Spirit of the Lord GOD [is] upon me; because the LORD hath anointed me to preach good tidings unto the meek; he hath sent me to bind up the brokenhearted, to proclaim liberty to the captives, and the opening of the prison to [them that are] bound;

 

[OntheDL]

I know that we are to use the bible and the bible alone as the reason for what we believe, but there are a few teachings that I'm not sure of how to refute.

I was looking at the whole Christ descending into Hell thing and honestly i'm not sure what the scripture that they use for this teaching is talking about. I know it doesn't mean what they think it does

"He (Jesus) was put to death in the flesh, but he was raised to life in the Spirit, in which also he went and preached to the disobedient spirits who were in prison in the days of Noah when God waited patiently while the ark was being built...For this is why the gospel was preached even to the dead so that, although they have already been judged in the flesh like men, they might have life in the Spirit like God." (1 Peter 3:18-20; 4:6)

Any help on this would be great. Thanks

On another note, is would anyone be interested in starting a SDA only study in the books of Daniel and Revelation?

And by interpreting the following verses.

Ephesians 4
8 Wherefore he saith, When he ascended up on high, he led captivity captive, and gave gifts unto men.
9 (Now that he ascended, what is it but that he also descended first into the lower parts of the earth?

This is Roman Catholic interpretation that many of her daughter churches accept.

From the Catechism of Catholic church:

[SIZE=+1] Paragraph 1. Christ Descended into Hell [/SIZE]
632 The frequent New Testament affirmations that Jesus was "raised from the dead" presuppose that the crucified one sojourned in the realm of the dead prior to his resurrection.477 This was the first meaning given in the apostolic preaching to Christ's descent into hell: that Jesus, like all men, experienced death and in his soul joined the others in the realm of the dead. But he descended there as Savior, proclaiming the Good News to the spirits imprisoned there.478
633 Scripture calls the abode of the dead, to which the dead Christ went down, "hell" - Sheol in Hebrew or Hades in Greek - because those who are there are deprived of the vision of God.479 Such is the case for all the dead, whether evil or righteous, while they await the Redeemer: which does not mean that their lot is identical, as Jesus shows through the parable of the poor man Lazarus who was received into "Abraham's bosom":480 "It is precisely these holy souls, who awaited their Savior in Abraham's bosom, whom Christ the Lord delivered when he descended into hell."481 Jesus did not descend into hell to deliver the damned, nor to destroy the hell of damnation, but to free the just who had gone before him.482
634 "The gospel was preached even to the dead."483 The descent into hell brings the Gospel message of salvation to complete fulfilment. This is the last phase of Jesus' messianic mission, a phase which is condensed in time but vast in its real significance: the spread of Christ's redemptive work to all men of all times and all places, for all who are saved have been made sharers in the redemption.
635 Christ went down into the depths of death so that "the dead will hear the voice of the Son of God, and those who hear will live."484 Jesus, "the Author of life", by dying destroyed "him who has the power of death, that is, the devil, and [delivered] all those who through fear of death were subject to lifelong bondage."485 Henceforth the risen Christ holds "the keys of Death and Hades", so that "at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, in heaven and on earth and under the earth."486

[SIZE=-1]Today a great silence reigns on earth, a great silence and a great stillness. A great silence because the King is asleep. The earth trembled and is still because God has fallen asleep in the flesh and he has raised up all who have slept ever since the world began. . . He has gone to search for Adam, our first father, as for a lost sheep. Greatly desiring to visit those who live in darkness and in the shadow of death, he has gone to free from sorrow Adam in his bonds and Eve, captive with him - He who is both their God and the son of Eve. . . "I am your God, who for your sake have become your son. . . I order you, O sleeper, to awake. I did not create you to be a prisoner in hell. Rise from the dead, for I am the life of the dead."487[/SIZE] IN BRIEF
636 By the expression "He descended into hell", the Apostles' Creed confesses that Jesus did really die and through his death for us conquered death and the devil "who has the power of death" (Heb 2:14).

 

[honorthesabbath]

And by interpreting the following verses.

Ephesians 4
8 Wherefore he saith, When he ascended up on high, he led captivity captive, and gave gifts unto men.
9 (Now that he ascended, what is it but that he also descended first into the lower parts of the earth?

This is Roman Catholic interpretation that many of her daughter churches accept.

From the Catechism of Catholic church:

[SIZE=+1] Paragraph 1. Christ Descended into Hell [/SIZE]
632 The frequent New Testament affirmations that Jesus was "raised from the dead" presuppose that the crucified one sojourned in the realm of the dead prior to his resurrection.477 This was the first meaning given in the apostolic preaching to Christ's descent into hell: that Jesus, like all men, experienced death and in his soul joined the others in the realm of the dead. But he descended there as Savior, proclaiming the Good News to the spirits imprisoned there.478
633 Scripture calls the abode of the dead, to which the dead Christ went down, "hell" - Sheol in Hebrew or Hades in Greek - because those who are there are deprived of the vision of God.479 Such is the case for all the dead, whether evil or righteous, while they await the Redeemer: which does not mean that their lot is identical, as Jesus shows through the parable of the poor man Lazarus who was received into "Abraham's bosom":480 "It is precisely these holy souls, who awaited their Savior in Abraham's bosom, whom Christ the Lord delivered when he descended into hell."481 Jesus did not descend into hell to deliver the damned, nor to destroy the hell of damnation, but to free the just who had gone before him.482
634 "The gospel was preached even to the dead."483 The descent into hell brings the Gospel message of salvation to complete fulfilment. This is the last phase of Jesus' messianic mission, a phase which is condensed in time but vast in its real significance: the spread of Christ's redemptive work to all men of all times and all places, for all who are saved have been made sharers in the redemption.
635 Christ went down into the depths of death so that "the dead will hear the voice of the Son of God, and those who hear will live."484 Jesus, "the Author of life", by dying destroyed "him who has the power of death, that is, the devil, and [delivered] all those who through fear of death were subject to lifelong bondage."485 Henceforth the risen Christ holds "the keys of Death and Hades", so that "at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, in heaven and on earth and under the earth."486

[SIZE=-1]Today a great silence reigns on earth, a great silence and a great stillness. A great silence because the King is asleep. The earth trembled and is still because God has fallen asleep in the flesh and he has raised up all who have slept ever since the world began. . . He has gone to search for Adam, our first father, as for a lost sheep. Greatly desiring to visit those who live in darkness and in the shadow of death, he has gone to free from sorrow Adam in his bonds and Eve, captive with him - He who is both their God and the son of Eve. . . "I am your God, who for your sake have become your son. . . I order you, O sleeper, to awake. I did not create you to be a prisoner in hell. Rise from the dead, for I am the life of the dead."487[/SIZE] IN BRIEF
636 By the expression "He descended into hell", the Apostles' Creed confesses that Jesus did really die and through his death for us conquered death and the devil "who has the power of death" (Heb 2:14).

Such unbiblical tripe!

 

[OntheDL]

Such unbiblical tripe!

The funny thing is that they try to support everyone of their doctrines with scriptures. They really don't need to do that since they are not pretentious about the fact they hold church tradition equal or higher than the scriptures.

 

[honorthesabbath]

The funny thing is that they try to support everyone of their doctrines with scriptures. They really don't need to do that since they are not pretentious about the fact they hold church tradition equal or higher than the scriptures.

That's correct DL--and all this nonsense about Jesus not really dying undermines Christs role as Redeemer.

The bible clearly teaches that 'the wages of sin is DEATH'. To use a popular adage, 'what part of DEATH do you not understand'??

Ro 6:23 For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

So if Jesus didn't DIE--then we are not saved from the penalty of sin, we are all doomed!!!

1Co 15:17 And if Christ be not raised( from the DEAD), your faith is vain; ye are yet in your sins.

But then again, all these added on lies all stem from the original lie from the father of lies (ha satan) when he told Eve,

YE SHALL NOT SURELY DIE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Stryder06]

Thanks for the explanations. I have a better understanding of that verse now. What really is sad is that what so many people don't realize is that Satan is tricking them into thinking that it doesn't really matter how you believe as long as you do believe. What kind of chance to take is that! God was specific on what we have to do to be saved. Believe in His name and be obedient, which is the natural progression of one who is walking with Christ. Why put your trust in man when you have the God of the Universe pleading (wrap your heads around that for a moment) with you to come home and become family.

 

[thecountrydoc]

Hello to all,

Stryder06 and HonertheSabbath have both indicated a desire for a Bible study on the Books of Daniel and Revelation. If you check the thread titles in the Bible Study Sub-Forum you will find that I started that exact study a year ago. Unfortunately due to difficulties and admistrative problems at that time I was not able to continue the studies. (Just in case anyone may have forgotten there was great dissagrement over what constituted a Seventh-day Adventist and our Statement of Faith the 28 Fundamental Beliefs.)


May I ask that you read what has been posted so far in the existing thread and if you like what has been posted, and would like to continue the study, please let me know directly by e-mail, thecountrydoc@cox.net, or by making a post to the existing thread.

There is a great deal more to study.

Your brother in Christ,
Doc

 

[Stryder06]

Hello to all,

Stryder06 and HonertheSabbath have both indicated a desire for a Bible study on the Books of Daniel and Revelation. If you check the thread titles in the Bible Study Sub-Forum you will find that I started that exact study a year ago. Unfortunately due to difficulties and admistrative problems at that time I was not able to continue the studies. (Just in case anyone may have forgotten there was great dissagrement over what constituted a Seventh-day Adventist and our Statement of Faith the 28 Fundamental Beliefs.)


May I ask that you read what has been posted so far in the existing thread and if you like what has been posted, and would like to continue the study, please let me know directly by e-mail, thecountrydoc@cox.net, or by making a post to the existing thread.

There is a great deal more to study.

Your brother in Christ,
Doc

I actually saw that thread, which is the reason why I didn't start one. If you'd like to start it up again you'll have at least one associate to follow along