Trinity

[concretecamper]

But please don't hold your breath waiting for me to investigate Arius.

 

[Clare73]

Yes, you incorrect assumption
Paul is talking about pride, not Tradition.

Paul is talking about Scripture. . ."pride" or otherwise.

Unless you think only the proud should not go beyond what is written.

Where does Scripture give tradition a pass on going beyond Scripture?

 

[concretecamper]

Where does Scripture give tradition a pass on going beyond Scripture?

Jesus tells us to listen to the Church. I follow Jesus. You can follow man.

 

[Clare73]

Jesus tells us to listen to the Church.

All in the body of Christ are the church.

I follow Jesus. You can follow man.

Do not men make up the church?

 

[concretecamper]

All in the body of Christ are the church.

all those who are not cut off from the Life of the Church are members of His Body. If you are a heretic, schismatic or excommunicated, you are not a member of the Church.

Do not men make up the church?

umm, yeah. What does this have to do with anything?

 

[Clare73]

all those who are not cut off from the Life of the Church are members of His Body. If you are a heretic, schismatic or excommunicated, you are not a member of the Church.
umm, yeah. What does this have to do with anything?

I give up. . .

 

[concretecamper]

I give up. . .

then try posting something relevant, it helps, I promise.

 

[Clare73]

How can the Trinity be explained? Are there some verses in the Bible that prove it?

scripture alone does not come close to explaining the doctrine of the Trinity as taught by the Church and accepted by the vast majority of protestants.

Scripture is the only authority for three persons in one God.

A. The NT presents three separate divine agents, Father, Son and Holy Spirit in the work of salvation:
1) Father, Son and Holy Spirit
a) at its beginning (Luke 1:35),
b) at the inauguration of Jesus' public ministry (Matthew 3:16-17) and
c) in the work of atonement (Hebrews 9:14);

2) the Holy Spirit completing the work of the Father through the Son; i.e., the work of salvation (Acts 2:38-39, Romans 8:26; 1 Corinthians 12:4-13 (vv.4-6); Ephesians 1:3-14 (v.14), Ephesians 2:13-22 (v.18); 2 Thessalonians 2:13; 1 Peter 1:2);

3) the only way to enter the kingdom of the Father is through faith in the Son and regeneration by the Holy Spirit (John 3:1-15, vv. 5, 14-15).

B. The Father, Son and Holy Spirit are bracketed together as the triune name of God:
1) Matthew 28:19 - this is the name (singular--not names, plural) of the God with whom we enter into relationship;

2) 1 Corinthians 12:4-6 - Paul uses all three interchangeably;

3) 2 Corinthians 13:14; Revelation 1:4-5 - they are linked in prayer for and in pronouncement of divine blessing.

C. The NT shows the following set of relationships among the three:
1) The Son and Holy Spirit proceeding out from within the Father (John 8:42, John 15:26);

2) THe Son is subject to the Father, for the Son is sent by the Father in the Father's name (John 5:23, 36, 43);

3) The Spirit is subject to the Father, for the Spirit is sent by the Father in the Son's name (John 14:26);

4) The Spirit is subject to the Son as well as the Father, for the Spirit is sent by the Son as well as the Father (John 15:26, John 16:17, 14:26).

So. . .what more do we know?

.

 

[RileyG]

How can the Trinity be explained? Are there some verses in the Bible that prove it? Don't get me wrong, I believe that they are one, but where can I find this in the Bible?

It's a mystery

 

[concretecamper]

Scripture is the only authority for three persons in one God.

A. The NT presents three separate divine agents, Father, Son and Holy Spirit in the work of salvation:
1) Father, Son and Holy Spirit
a) at its beginning (Luke 1:35),
b) at the inauguration of Jesus' public ministry (Matthew 3:16-17) and
c) in the work of atonement (Hebrews 9:14);

2) the Holy Spirit completing the work of the Father through the Son; i.e., the work of salvation (Acts 2:38-39, Romans 8:26; 1 Corinthians 12:4-13 (vv.4-6); Ephesians 1:3-14 (v.14), Ephesians 2:13-22 (v.18); 2 Thessalonians 2:13; 1 Peter 1:2);

3) the only way to enter the kingdom of the Father is through faith in the Son and regeneration by the Holy Spirit (John 3:1-15, vv. 5, 14-15).

B. The Father, Son and Holy Spirit are bracketed together as the triune name of God:
1) Matthew 28:19 - this is the name (singular--not names, plural) of the God with whom we enter into relationship;

2) 1 Corinthians 12:4-6 - Paul uses all three interchangeably;

3) 2 Corinthians 13:14; Revelation 1:4-5 - they are linked in prayer for and in pronouncement of divine blessing.

C. The NT shows the following set of relationships among the three:
1) The Son and Holy Spirit proceeding from within the Father (John 8:42, John 15:26);

2) THe Son is subject to the Father, for the Son is sent by the Father in the Father's name (John 5:23, 36, 43);

3) The Spirit is subject to the Father, for the Spirit is sent by the Father in the Son's name (John 14:26);

4) The Spirit is subject to the Son as well as the Father, for the Spirit is sent by the Son as well as the Father (John 15:26, John 16:17, 14:26).

So. . .what more do we know?

.

ugh, we all know there is Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. But that IS NOT what we are talking about.

 

[Clare73]

ugh, we all know there is Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. But
that IS NOT what we are talking about.

Non-responsive. . ."posting something relevant" didn't help, as you promised.

Now is your opportunity to reveal what you are talking about.

I'm talking about the divine revelation of the Trinity, which is the question of the OP.

 

[Clare73]

It's a mystery

Not anymore.

In the NT, "mysteries" are that which was never before revealed, and this is now revealed.

 

[RileyG]

Not anymore.

In the NT, "mysteries" are that which was never before revealed, and this is now revealed.

Yes. But the human mind will never fully comprehend the Trinity in this life.

 

[Clare73]

Yes. But the human mind will never fully comprehend the Trinity in this life.

Depends on what you mean by comprehend.

I comprehend post #48.

 

[BobRyan]

Scripture is the only authority for three persons in one God.
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Amazing how that works out -- it is the "added bits" tossed in the mix beyond "One God in three persons" - where divisions surface not excepting the one in 1054 between east and west.

 

[BobRyan]

Nope. . .same in being speaks of one being.

It is a case of praying to another person who is the same Being.

That is the Christian doctrine of the Trinity.

The trinity doctrine is One God in three persons - we pray to the first person of the Godhead and it is all "one God".

That "They may be ONE as WE are ONE" John 17:11,21.

Well, the argument is that we are presented with three distinct members associated with the Godhead, particularly in the New Testament. After Jesus was baptized, who descended as a dove upon Him, and who spoke from heaven? Or, who is this Father that Jesus spoke of being sent by, and who is the Spirit to come after Him following His ascension? These are some examples. If "God is one," there needs to be an explanation.

And we find part of that statement in Jesus' prayer - in John 17:11,21

They are one being, God.

May I quote "you"?

Regarding what?

regarding that quote "of you" I just showed above - where "one being, God" is not found anywhere in scripture.

Scripture is the only authority for three persons in one God.
.

Indeed - let's stick with 'that' thought.

 

[Clare73]

ugh, we all know there is Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. But that IS NOT what we are talking about.

Now is your opportunity to reveal what you are talking about.

I'm talking about the divine revelation of the Trinity, which is the question of the OP.

CRICKETS. . .

 

[Clare73]

The trinity doctrine is One God in three persons - we pray to the first person of the Godhead and it is all "one God".
That "They may be ONE as WE are ONE" John 17:11,21.
And we find part of that statement in Jesus' prayer - in John 17:11,21
May I quote "you"? regarding that quote "of you" I just showed above

Absolutely. . .why not?

- where "one being, God" is not found anywhere in scripture.
Indeed - let's stick with 'that' thought.

You don't understand the meaning of "being," do you?

Neither is "one being, Bob Ryan" found anywhere in Scripture.

For that matter, neither is "man has two arms," nor "man has two legs," nor "man has two ears," nor
"man has one nose," nor. . .

So. . .each man is not one being, or each man is three beings, or. . .?

 

[BobRyan]

You don't understand the meaning of "being," do you?

It has two meanings depending on context - as I showed in that video with R.C. Sproul.

It can either be in the context of the creed regarding the Trinity as in "a state of BEING" rather than a state of "becoming". Since God never changes He is by definition in a state of "Being something" not "becoming something"

The second meaning/context is "A person is a BEING".

Are you saying you understand this? or can I help you with it?

 

[Clare73]

It has two meanings depending on context - as I showed in that video with R.C. Sproul.
It can either be in the context of the creed regarding the Trinity as in "a state of BEING" rather than a state of "becoming". Since God never changes He is by definition in a state of "Being something" not "becoming something"
The second meaning/context is "A person is a BEING".

Are you saying you understand this? or can I help you with it?

And in the Divine Godhead, three persons are one Being, God.

You either don't know, don't understand, or both, the orthodox doctrine of the Trinity.