Trinity

[JesusAddicted]

How can the Trinity be explained? Are there some verses in the Bible that prove it? Don't get me wrong, I believe that they are one, but where can I find this in the Bible?

 

[mukk_in]

How can the Trinity be explained? Are there some verses in the Bible that prove it? Don't get me wrong, I believe that they are one, but where can I find this in the Bible?

Here are some:

1) John 1:1-14

2) John 10:30; 10:36

3) John 14:9-11

4) Philippians 2:6

5) Colossians 1:15

6) Matthew 28:19

Hope that helps. God bless .

 

[dysert]

And don't forget Jesus' baptism (Luke 3:22).

The word "Trinity" isn't in the Bible, but it can certainly be inferred from the totality of Scripture.

 

[R. Hartono]

God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Spirit are all the same one God.

In the time of Isaiah, God the Father said that in the future, a child, a son would be born with the title of Mighty God. Through this, God the Father Jehovah was letting us know that He would come in the role of the Son to this earth.

Isaiah 9:6 For to us a child is born, to us a son is given, and the government will be on his shoulders. And he will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace … The zeal of the Lord Almighty will accomplish this.


In Jesus everythings were created :
Col 1:15 The Son is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation.
16 For in Him all things were created, things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities. All things were created through Him and for Him.…

You drink H20 as water
You use Ice as chiller
You need vapor for rain

The same H20 for different purposes

Jesus was stamped as heresy by the smart priests and pharisees, when He said He is the Son of God. This idea was rejected by people 2000 years ago though now we can believe it. Now we can make another giant step forward that He is actually God Himself in the flesh as blatantly explained
Isaiah 9:6 ... The Mighty God, everlasting Father.

However, The Divine Body of God remains in Heaven while Jesus seated at the right Hand of God.
Rev 6:16 ...and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb:

Jesus is like the moon reflecting the same light from the Sun to us.

May Jesus bless you all HalleluYAH

 

[CallofChrist]

John 17 has some info about the pre-existence of Jesus before the incarnation:

"1When Jesus had spoken these words, he lifted up his eyes to heaven, and said, “Father, the hour has come; glorify your Son that the Son may glorify you, 2since you have given him authority over all flesh, to give eternal life to all whom you have given him. 3And this is eternal life, that they know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom you have sent. 4I glorified you on earth, having accomplished the work that you gave me to do. 5And now, Father, glorify me in your own presence with the glory that I had with you before the world existed."

 

[DW1980]

Hi

There are a couple of good articles online that I have found helpful such as this:
Jesus Christ our Creator: A biblical defence of the Trinity - creation.com

I don't agree with everything on this site, however this is a great article on the Trinity.

 

[joinfree]

How can the Trinity be explained? Are there some verses in the Bible that prove it? Don't get me wrong, I believe that they are one, but where can I find this in the Bible?

Use your intellect, because facts are: 1) Love exists, 2) Love unites, 3) Trinity is God, and latter is scientifically proven (cause Theology is science), 4) God Father loves God Son and Holy Spirit, God Holy Spirit loves God Father and the God Son, and God Son loves them both.

 

[Norbert L]

How can the Trinity be explained? Are there some verses in the Bible that prove it? Don't get me wrong, I believe that they are one, but where can I find this in the Bible?

No one's going to be able to quote the word's "God is a trinity or God is three persons" from scripture. From my experience one of the best ways to find out about this nature of God is being familiar with the texts that speak about His interaction with mankind. We as reader's have to know the Bible as one story, as one historical document that starts in Genesis and ends with Revelation.

Basically single scriptures on their own can hint at a trinity but when someone is familiar with the old and new testaments enough, they can then understand how monotheistic Jews of the the first century can go to their temple at Jerusalem and worship one God while at the same time say this, "Thomas answered him, “My Lord and my God!”" John 20:28

It's much like reading a novel. If a person reads one chapter or snippets here and there, and then go on as is they know the whole story. Pieces will be missing and things may not add up.

 

[Patty89]

I still don't understand. This is holding me back from a relationship with God. Why was Jesus crying out to God on the cross if he was God?

 

[redleghunter]

How can the Trinity be explained? Are there some verses in the Bible that prove it? Don't get me wrong, I believe that they are one, but where can I find this in the Bible?

Seriously let me know if this helps from a Lutheran source and we can take it from there.

I’ll add this precis to the discussion:

We know there is One True God (Deuteronomy 6:4). We Know the Father is God as Jesus attests to this in the Gospels. The Father has Divine attributes and Person.

Jesus Christ is truly God and truly man. He is the Son of God and Son of Man. Divine attributes (Colossians 2:9) and Person are also attributed to Him.

The Holy Spirit is also truly God with Divine attributes and Person attributed (John 15:25 and John 16:7)

Knowing the basics of the above we conclude there is One God in three distinct Persons.

We can start there.

 

[Uncle Mikey]

No need for Analogies, the Word of God tells us in plain English what the Trinity or Godhead is...

 

[redleghunter]

How can the Trinity be explained? Are there some verses in the Bible that prove it? Don't get me wrong, I believe that they are one, but where can I find this in the Bible?

One of the best sermons on the Trinity:

https://www.gty.org/library/articles/A215/our-triune-god

You can read the transcript at your leisure or listen or watch at the link above.

 

[redleghunter]

I still don't understand. This is holding me back from a relationship with God. Why was Jesus crying out to God on the cross if he was God?

Probably the best run down I’ve seen:

https://www.gty.org/library/articles/A215/our-triune-god

 

[ViaCrucis]

I still don't understand. This is holding me back from a relationship with God. Why was Jesus crying out to God on the cross if he was God?

1) Jesus was quoting a Psalm.
2) Jesus (the Son) and the Father are distinct Persons.

A key word we use in Trinitarian theology is homoousios, it means "of one Being" or "of one Essence", from the words homo (same) and ousios (being). So in the Nicene Creed we confess that Jesus Christ, the only-begotten Son is "of one Being (homoousios) with the Father). Thus the Son is what the Father is, since the Father is God, indeed the one and only God, the Son likewise is God--the one and only God. Here is the relevant statement from the Nicene Creed:

"And in one Lord Jesus Christ, the only Son of God, eternally begotten of the Father, God of God, Light of Light, very God of very God, begotten, not made; of one Being with the Father."

The language used was chosen very carefully. The historical context in which this statement was made is the Arian controversy of the 4th century, and each point made is made directly to counter Arianism.

Arius of Alexandria taught that the Son, because He was begotten of the Father, was therefore a creature, the very first creature, but still a creature. As such Arius taught that the Son's being was other than, but maybe similar to, the Father, so the Arians might say the Son was "heteroousios" (of another being) or that the Son was homoiousios (of a similar being). Thus the Son was God, but a different God, a secondary God, begotten and created at a specific time.

"eternally begotten of the Father" is a modern way of rendering the more literal "begotten of the Father before all ages", that is the Son has no beginning, the Son always has been. The Son did not come into being, but eternally is.

"God of God, Light of Light, very God of very God" means that God the Father has begotten God, not another God, not a god, not a creature, not a something-other, but a Same-As. The one and only God has begotten the one and only God. God begets God, the Eternal begets the Eternal, the Almighty begets the Almighty.

"begotten, not made" explicitly rejects the Arian belief that begotten means the Son is created. The Son's begottenness, His generation, does not make Him a creature; because the Son's generation is eternal. The Uncreated begets the Uncreated. Begottenness or generation refers not to an event in time, but to an eternal reality of the Father and Son's relationship to one another. The Son has His eternal, uncreated Being from and in the Father, because He is...

"of one Being with the Father" All that the Father is, the Son is also. For the Son is everything that the Father is: God, Eternal, Almighty, Uncreated, etc.

There are two Persons, but one Being. The Son's Being is the Father's Being, and so He is God. God with God, God of God, truly and very God of truly and very God. There never was a time when the Son was not.

And these things are true of the Holy Spirit, as the Creed says concerning the Spirit:

"And we believe in the Holy Spirit, the Lord and giver of life. Who proceeds from the Father [and the Son], who with the Father and the Son is worshiped and glorified."

He is called "Lord", the same as the Father and the Son are Lord, and not three lords, but one Lord.

He is called "Giver of life", because there is no life apart from Him, for He was there in the beginning, and He is present and active giving us life with God, in Christ.

He proceeds from the Father [and the Son*] because He has His Being from the Father [and the Son]; as the Father and the Son are indeed true God, so the Holy Spirit is indeed true God. Having His eternal procession as truly and very God, of one Being with the Father and the Son and therefore...

"who with the Father and the Son is worshiped and glorified." For only God is worshiped and glorified, therefore the Spirit, being truly God, even as the Father is God and the Son is God, is worthy of all glory, honor, praise, thanksgiving, and worship.

The Father is God.
The Son is God.
The Holy Spirit is God.
One God.

-CryptoLutheran

*Originally the Creed said "Who proceeds from the Father", but in the middle ages in the West the Creed was changed to say, "Who proceeds from the Father and the Son". This phrase "and the Son" is one word in Latin (Filioque), and is known as the Filioque Controversy because it was a hugely controversial issue between the Eastern and Western Churches a thousand years ago, and continues to be a major point of controversy even today. The matter is a complicated one, and best left for its own discussion. But it is considered generally "safe" to include the phrase in brackets for the sake of civility, because there are Christians who use the Creed both with and without the Filioque clause here on Christian Forums.

 

[BobRyan]

A key word we use in Trinitarian theology is homoousios, it means "of one Being" or "of one Essence", from the words homo (same) and ousios (being). So in the Nicene Creed we confess that Jesus Christ, the only-begotten Son is "of one Being (homoousios) with the Father). Thus the Son is what the Father is, since the Father is God, indeed the one and only God, the Son likewise is God--the one and only God. Here is the relevant statement from the Nicene Creed:

"And in one Lord Jesus Christ, the only Son of God, eternally begotten of the Father, God of God, Light of Light, very God of very God, begotten, not made; of one Being with the Father."

from: Nicene Creed - Wikipedia

• Nicene Creed or the Creed of Nicaea is used to refer to the original version adopted at the First Council of Nicaea (325), to the revised version adopted by the First Council of Constantinople (381), to the liturgical text used by the Eastern Orthodox Church (with "I believe" instead of "We believe"),[59] to the Latin version that includes the phrase "Deum de Deo" and "Filioque",[60] and to the Armenian version, which does not include "and from the Son", but does include "God from God" and many other phrases.[61]
• Niceno-Constantinopolitan Creed can stand for the revised version of Constantinople (381) or the later Latin version[62] or various other versions.[63]

CF Statement of Faith | Christian Forums
"And in ONE Lord Jesus Christ, (Acts 11:17)
the Son of God, (Mathew 14:33; 16:16)
the Only-Begotten, (John 1:18; 3:16)
Begotten of the Father before all ages. (John 1:2)
Light of Light; (Psalm 27:1; John 8:12; Matthew 17:2,5)
True God of True God; (John 17:1-5)
Begotten, not made; (John 1:18)
of one essence with the Father (John 10:30)"

Does not include "is the same being as the Father" - rather He is the second person of the Godhead and is ontologically of the same substance.

Therefore in John 17 Jesus is not "praying to Himself"

 

[BobRyan]

Still it raises the question - can the Trinity doctrine be derived purely "sola scriptura"?
And it appears to be the case as we see in the easy example "One God" Deut 6:4 in "Three persons" Matt 28:19

 

[ViaCrucis]

from: Nicene Creed - Wikipedia

• Nicene Creed or the Creed of Nicaea is used to refer to the original version adopted at the First Council of Nicaea (325), to the revised version adopted by the First Council of Constantinople (381), to the liturgical text used by the Eastern Orthodox Church (with "I believe" instead of "We believe"),[59] to the Latin version that includes the phrase "Deum de Deo" and "Filioque",[60] and to the Armenian version, which does not include "and from the Son", but does include "God from God" and many other phrases.[61]
• Niceno-Constantinopolitan Creed can stand for the revised version of Constantinople (381) or the later Latin version[62] or various other versions.[63]

CF Statement of Faith | Christian Forums
"And in ONE Lord Jesus Christ, (Acts 11:17)
the Son of God, (Mathew 14:33; 16:16)
the Only-Begotten, (John 1:18; 3:16)
Begotten of the Father before all ages. (John 1:2)
Light of Light; (Psalm 27:1; John 8:12; Matthew 17:2,5)
True God of True God; (John 17:1-5)
Begotten, not made; (John 1:18)
of one essence with the Father (John 10:30)"

Does not include "is the same being as the Father" - rather He is the second person of the Godhead and is ontologically of the same substance.

Therefore in John 17 Jesus is not "praying to Himself"

"of one essence with the Father"

That's homoousios. Homo = same, ousia = being/essence

"ὁμοούσιον τῷ Πατρί" in the original Greek of the Creed. "Of the same Being as the Father" "consubstantial with the Father" "of the same essence with the Father" are all translations of this phrase.

-CryptoLutheran

 

[Clare73]

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[Clare73]

How can the Trinity be explained? Are there some verses in the Bible that prove it? Don't get me wrong, I believe that they are one, but where can I find this in the Bible?

A. The NT presents three separate divine agents, Father, Son and Holy Spirit in the work of salvation:

1) Father, Son and Holy Spirit
a) at its beginning (Luke 1:35),
b) at the inauguration of Jesus' public ministry (Matthew 3:16-17) and
c) in the work of atonement (Hebrews 9:14);

2) the Holy Spirit completing the work of the Father through the Son; i.e., the work of salvation (Acts 2:38-39, Romans 8:26; 1 Corinthians 12:4-13 (vv.4-6); Ephesians 1:3-14 (v.14), Ephesians 2:13-22 (v.18); 2 Thessalonians 2:13; 1 Peter 1:2);

3) the only way to enter the kingdom of the Father is through faith in the Son and regeneration by the Holy Spirit (John 3:1-15, vv. 5, 14-15).

B. The Father, Son and Holy Spirit are bracketed together as the triune name of God:

1) Matthew 28:19 - this is the name (singular--not names, plural) of the God with whom we enter into relationship;

2) 1 Corinthians 12:4-6 - Paul uses all three interchangeably;

3) 2 Corinthians 13:14; Revelation 1:4-5 - they are linked in prayer for and in pronouncement of divine blessing.

C. The NT shows the following set of relationships among the three:

1) THe Son is subject to the Father, for the Son is sent by the Father in the Father's name (John 5:23, 36, 43);

2) The Spirit is subject to the Father, for the Spirit is sent by the Father in the Son's name (John 14:26);

3) The Spirit is subject to the Son as well as the Father, for the Spirit is sent by the Son as well as the Father (John 15:26, John 16:17, 14:26)

 

[BobRyan]

How can the Trinity be explained? Are there some verses in the Bible that prove it? Don't get me wrong, I believe that they are one, but where can I find this in the Bible?

John 17 - we are to be one - as they are one.

11 I am no longer going to be in the world; and yet they themselves are in the world, and I am coming to You. Holy Father, keep them in Your name, the name which You have given Me, so that they may be one just as We are.

20 “I am not asking on behalf of these alone, but also for those who believe in Me through their word, 21 that they may all be one; just as You, Father, are in Me and I in You, that they also may be in Us, so that the world may believe that You sent Me. 22 The glory which You have given Me I also have given to them, so that they may be one, just as We are one; 23 I in them and You in Me, that they may be perfected in unity, so that the world may know that You sent Me, and You loved them, just as You loved Me.