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We're first assuming that "a soul is the essence in a human being." (You simply asserted that is true, you didn't actually prove it.) *IF* we're following that premise, then I'm not sure what God's "essence" should be, if not a soul....
I'm assuming your question is rhetorical, and your answer to my question,
What is the one essence in the three persons?is this:
A living soul is the one essence in the three persons.But let me know if I'm mistaken and your question was actual, rather than rhetorical.
Trinity Sunday is part of the Liturgical calendar in the Latin rite anyway. I can't imagine it not being a thing for most other Churches which try to follow ancient rites.Hi, SolomonVII. Is Trinity Sunday an annual thing? I'm having difficulty understanding the words,
Indeed, God does not have relationships at all...Can you explain what they mean?
We're first assuming that "a soul is the essence in a human being." (You simply asserted that is true, you didn't actually prove it.) *IF* we're following that premise, then I'm not sure what God's "essence" should be, if not a soul.
Thanks. Yes, I understand how God is a relationship. What I wonder is how God has no relationships. My thought is that the author is mistaken, or I've misunderstood.Trinity Sunday is part of the Liturgical calendar in the Latin rite anyway. I can't imagine it not being a thing for most other Churches which try to follow ancient rites.
I think what the words mean is that the essence of God is relationship.
A poor analogy might be that a person has a career. He might be a engineer, then a teacher, and round things out by being an artisan working in stained glass. He is a teacher, an engineer, and an artisan, but at no point are any of those careers essential to who he is. They are aspects of what he does rather than defining who he is.
God on the other hand is defined by being in a relationship. He does not have a relationship. He is a relationship. This is actually how the Catholic Church speaks of marriage too. "Husband" and "wife" are not just optional roles, but are part of the essence of the married couple. "What God has joined together" is meant to be taken literally.
We're first assuming that "a soul is the essence in a human being." (You simply asserted that is true, you didn't actually prove it.) *IF* we're following that premise, then I'm not sure what God's "essence" should be, if not a soul.
It can be a little confusing because the revelation of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit is a revelation that the Messiah/Jesus Christ brought with Him. The apostles were the first to receive the Holy Spirit on the Day of Pentecost which was right after Christ's death and before Jesus death He told the apostles that He would be sending them a Comforter.In Deuteronomy chapters 5 and 6, Moses preaches to Israel. I don't understand if the information in Deuteronomy represents one sermon, something like Sinners in the Hands of an Angry God, or maybe it represents a collection of sermons.
In the sermon, Moses says that God has commanded that the Israelites , "... shall have no other gods ... ." Seems to me that means that even if the Moses practiced monotheism, some of the Israelists must have had an alternate opinion.
Later in the sermon Moses says, "The Lord our God, the Lord is one," which modern theologians take to mean that Moses believed that God is the only God.
That idea that "God is the only God," has become the first idea about the Trinity. Also, it adds another way to refer to God. Besides God, Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, now we have Lord.
It can be a little confusing because the revelation of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit is a revelation that the Messiah/Jesus Christ brought with Him. The apostles were the first to receive the Holy Spirit on the Day of Pentecost which was right after Christ's death and before Jesus death He told the apostles that He would be sending them a Comforter.
So you can kind of think of the Trinity as a revelation that happened in the gospels which are the first four books of the New Testament.
Sometimes it is important to know the timeline of certain things and read scripture accordingly. This is one of those times.
Does that make sense?
That's a pretty good way of looking at it.I had not thought of the possibility that Jesus brought the Holy Spirit. Since both Psalms and Isaiah use the term, Holy Spirit, the idea of Holy Spiritness appears to me to have arrived before Jesus. The Bible uses the term, Spirit of God, for example in Genesis 1, and it uses the term, Spirit of the Lord, like in 1 Kings. My Christian friends insist that these mean the same as the Holy Spirit.
The Bible uses similar terms, spirit from God and spirit from the Lord. I have not yet had the opportunity to ask my Christians about these terms.
About the Trinity making sense.
Seems to me that the Trinity summarizes the way the Bible refers to God. First the Bible insists, rather ad nauseam, God is the only God.
In multiple places, the Bible refers to the Father, Jesus, and the Holy Spirit as being the same as God. Actually the Bible has more than three names, but I think the extra names must represent synonyms like stone being the same as rock.
The Bible describes the Father, Jesus, and the Holy Spirit as three different things, sometimes called persons because the Bible uses personal pronouns, like I or you, and personal adjectives, like his or your, when referring to the Father, Jesus, and the Holy Spirit.
My Atheist friends like to point out that the Trinity has an apparent non-transitive nature. Three things that are the same as a fourth thing should be the same as each other. Since the Trinity's three persons are not the same as each other, there lies the apparent contradiction.
I don't know how what theologians might argue, but seems to me that since the trinity represents three persons, they are not the same, but they can still be essentially God because God does not have a body. He has an essence, and the persons of the Trinity each have that essence.
So the Trinity has no mystery. It simply states the New Testament authors' belief about the nature of God.
I had not thought of the possibility that Jesus brought the Holy Spirit. Since both Psalms and Isaiah use the term, Holy Spirit, the idea of Holy Spiritness appears to me to have arrived before Jesus. The Bible uses the term, Spirit of God, for example in Genesis 1, and it uses the term, Spirit of the Lord, like in 1 Kings. My Christian friends insist that these mean the same as the Holy Spirit.
The Bible uses similar terms, spirit from God and spirit from the Lord. I have not yet had the opportunity to ask my Christians about these terms.
About the Trinity making sense.
Seems to me that the Trinity summarizes the way the Bible refers to God. First the Bible insists, rather ad nauseam, God is the only God.
In multiple places, the Bible refers to the Father, Jesus, and the Holy Spirit as being the same as God. Actually the Bible has more than three names, but I think the extra names must represent synonyms like stone being the same as rock.
The Bible describes the Father, Jesus, and the Holy Spirit as three different things, sometimes called persons because the Bible uses personal pronouns, like I or you, and personal adjectives, like his or your, when referring to the Father, Jesus, and the Holy Spirit.
My Atheist friends like to point out that the Trinity has an apparent non-transitive nature. Three things that are the same as a fourth thing should be the same as each other. Since the Trinity's three persons are not the same as each other, there lies the apparent contradiction.
I don't know how what theologians might argue, but seems to me that since the trinity represents three persons, they are not the same, but they can still be essentially God because God does not have a body. He has an essence, and the persons of the Trinity each have that essence.
So the Trinity has no mystery. It simply states the New Testament authors' belief about the nature of God.
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Later in the sermon Moses says, "The Lord our God, the Lord is one," which modern theologians take to mean that Moses believed that God is the only God.
The New Testament authors understood that the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit were each God, and that they each somehow were not each other.
The Father is not God, theSon is not God, and the HS is not God. All together they are God.The nature of the persons, Father, Son, and Holy may be above my pay grade, but this is what I think I know right now.
The New Testament authors understood that the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit were each God, and that they each somehow were not each other. The words Trinity and Person did not exist in their vocabulary. An early Christian, third century theologian, Tertullian, coined the words, trinity and person, to describe the relationship of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit to God. The modern Christian Church uses Tertullian’s vocabulary, but it has not adopted his view of the relationship of the parts to the whole.
One God, who is tri-personal.In Deuteronomy chapters 5 and 6, Moses preaches to Israel. I don't understand if the information in Deuteronomy represents one sermon, something like Sinners in the Hands of an Angry God, or maybe it represents a collection of sermons.
In the sermon, Moses says that God has commanded that the Israelites , "... shall have no other gods ... ." Seems to me that means that even if the Moses practiced monotheism, some of the Israelists must have had an alternate opinion.
Later in the sermon Moses says, "The Lord our God, the Lord is one," which modern theologians take to mean that Moses believed that God is the only God.
That idea that "God is the only God," has become the first idea about the Trinity. Also, it adds another way to refer to God. Besides God, Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, now we have Lord.
A bit confused about the above.The Father is not God, theSon is not God, and the HS is not God. All together they are Go
Abion's response above is correct.A bit confused about the above.
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