Trinity

[RevelationTestament]

You miss the point of course. He is the Mighty One of the elohim - what elohim?
See PS 82. Remember Elohim is One. See also Jn 17. Maybe you will eventually get it.

 

[peebly63]

You miss the point of course. He is the Mighty One of the elohim - what elohim?
See PS 82. Remember Elohim is One. See also Jn 17. Maybe you will eventually get it.

lol...trust me I have it and the trinity is the truth...

anything with the I am statements...

the alpha and omegas...

is it plural gods???

 

[RevelationTestament]

lol...trust me I have it and the trinity is the truth...
?

Which of your trinities is the truth?
The Nicene Creed one that didn't declare the Holy Spirit to have consubstantiality with the Father and the Son?
Or the creed from Constantinople 56 yrs later which included the Holy Spirit in consubstantiality but still declared the Son to be begotten before all worlds.
Or the latest version which declares them all co-equal, of one substance but that the Son is eternally begotten...
all of which were made under the auspices of the Roman office of the Pontifex Maximus... originally the chief pagan priest of the college of priests...
No thanks.

 

[Imagican]

And no matter what FACTS are presented, some are still insistent that these doctrines of MEN are more important than the offerings of God through prophet, Son and apostles.

History DOCUMENTS the creation and introduction of 'trinity' into Christianity AS a 'man-made doctrine'. And the apostles commanded us NOT to accept ANY doctrine that was NOT delivered by THEM. Warned us that men would come along and create doctrines of THEIR OWN that would lead many to a DIFFERENT Christ.

As pointed out, 'trinity' was NOT delivered by the apostles. It was invented by men and even then men that wavered back and forth for MANY years until they came up with the 'trinity' of TODAY.

And we can see by the fact that NO two 'trinitarians' can come to agreement that it is STILL evolving. For it seems that EACH that professes a belief in it believe in SOMETHING DIFFERENT.

Blessings,

MEC

 

[Albion]

And no matter what FACTS are presented, some are still insistent that these doctrines of MEN are more important than the offerings of God through prophet, Son and apostles.

History DOCUMENTS the creation and introduction of 'trinity' into Christianity AS a 'man-made doctrine'.

If so, every Historian would be on your side of this disagreement instead of ours.

 

[Jack Terrence]

History DOCUMENTS the creation and introduction of 'trinity' into Christianity AS a 'man-made doctrine'. And the apostles commanded us NOT to accept ANY doctrine that was NOT delivered by THEM. Warned us that men would come along and create doctrines of THEIR OWN that would lead many to a DIFFERENT Christ.

First, history documents the introduction of 'triad' gods. A triad and a trinity are NOT the same thing.

Second, I don't give a hoot what history says. Scripture identifies Jesus Christ as God.

YHWH "went with" the Isaelites out of Egypt,

And YHWH went with them by day in a pillar of cloud to lead them along the way, and by night in a pillar of fire to give them light, that they might travel by day and by night. Exodus 13:21


YHWH was the "Rock,"

Of the Rock who delivered you, you are unmindful, And have forgotten the God who founded you. Deuteronomy 32:18


Christ was the "Rock" that "went with them,"

and all drank the same spiritual drink. For they drank of that spiritual Rock that went with them, and that Rock was the Christ. 1 Corinthians 10:4


So don't tell me that we are teaching something other than what the apostles taught,

looking for the blessed hope and glorious appearing of our great God and Savior Jesus Christ, 14 who gave Himself for us, that He might redeem us from every lawless deed and purify for Himself His own special people, zealous for good works. Titus 2:13-14



It's clear!!

 

[Albion]

First, history documents the introduction of 'triad' gods. A triad and a trinity are NOT the same thing.

Second, I don't give a hoot what history says.

Didn't you just cite history in order to support your own belief?

 

[RevelationTestament]

If so, every Historian would be on your side of this disagreement instead of ours.

Um... but they aren't, assuming you are talking about being on the trinitarian side. Did you ever read the English historian Edward Gibbons, and many others who conclude history shows a typical selfish side to the actions of Constantine, and the start of the doctrine of the trinity?
Constantine promulgated this doctrine to the empire as a pontifex maximus, the office of the chief pagan priest of the Roman religion ... not a baptized Christian, as he wasn't baptized until just before his death - if at all.

 

[Jack Terrence]

Didn't you just cite history in order to support your own belief?

No! I said that history documents the introduction of 'triad' gods. A triad and a trinity are NOT the same thing.

Then I gave the apostle Paul as my support. Please don't play games.

 

[Albion]

No! I said that history documents the introduction of 'triad' gods.

Exactly. You cited history to support your thinking about "triad gods"...

...and then proceded to tell us, "I don't give a hoot what history says."



Well, obviously you do give a hoot .

 

[Jack Terrence]

Exactly. You cited history to support your thinking about "triad gods"...

...and then proceded to tell us, "I don't give a hoot what history says."

No! I was simply correcting Imagician's history. He said that history documents the creation and introduction of "trinity." This is false. History documents the creation and introduction of "triads." I was NOT basing my Trinitarian thelogy on anything historical.

You twist my words as you do the scriptures.

Well, obviously you do give a hoot.

I don't give a hoot if history contradicts my theology. But I do give a hoot that history be accurately stated. So knock it off! Any half way intelligent person can see through what you are doing.

 

[Jack Terrence]

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[Jack Terrence]

You miss the point of course. He is the Mighty One of the elohim - what elohim?
See PS 82. Remember Elohim is One. See also Jn 17. Maybe you will eventually get it.

Your point being...?

 

[Albion]

No! I was simply correcting Imagician's history. He said that history documents the creation and introduction of "trinity." This is false. History documents the creation and introduction of "triads." I was NOT basing my Trinitarian thelogy on anything historical.

By now, I'm convinced that no amount of explaining will make that little light bulb turn on in your brain.

Therefore, I'll say, "Have a nice night."

 

[Jack Terrence]

By now, I'm convinced that no amount of explaining will make that little light bulb turn on in your brain.

Therefore, I'll say, "Have a nice night."

First, you failed to address the scriptures I provided in my original post.

Second, I said nothing that contradicts my statement about not giving a hoot about history. I simply meant that even if it were true that history documents the creation and introduction of the 'trinity' idea into Christianity doesn't matter to me. Israel borrowed animal sacrifices. Does this infer that Israel was pagan? Christainity teaches that a human was sacrificed for our sin. It cannot be denied that the idea of a human sacrifice was introduced into Christianity. Is Christianity pagan?

But it is NOT historically documented that the 'trinity' idea was introduced into Christianity. It was the idea of TRIADS that were created and they were NEVER introduced into Christianity.

The trinity idea is exclusively Christian.