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I will ATTEMPT to give brief answers, yet I want to give thorough answers.

Dyrwen said:
Ok.. *numbers*
1. It's fine. happens all the time.

I just wanted it to be clear to the readers that you aren't a Christian and are giving your view on a Christian topic, while I am a Christian giving my view on a Christian topic.

2. If Jesus "is" God, then God was "off-duty" while he was "IN" Jesus. Hence my attempts to show Jesus as a vessel.

As I explained, to the best of human knowledge and explanation, The Father is 100% God, as Jesus is 100% that same One God, as the Spirit is 100% that same One God.

God was not "IN" Jesus. God (The Son) became man.
God (The Father) did not become man.
God (The Spirit) did not become man.

Romans 8:1-7
There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.

For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:

That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit.

For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.


Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.


Seriously. You're calling God about 300% right now. Your explaination of "Divine person" makes no sense.

There you go again with trying to understand a spiritual matter in a human way.

No. I do not call God "about 300% right now".
What I have written is exactly what I have written. Please do not draw any human conclusions (including a mathematical one) with what I have written.
Read my first post on this thread.

1 Corinthians 2:14
But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.


Even as an atheist, I'd say mine explanation of a deity your worship and follow was much more reasonable. Yours is merely illogical, which is all well and good in explaning God, but does exactly JACK for human understanding.

How would you explain that: "The Father is God, the Son is God, and the Spirit is God. Not that these are three gods, but the One True God."?

Earth to Kenny, calling Jesus fully God and fully human means he's two things at once. That may be possible with your God, but quite frankly, using Jesus as a portal into this world to spread his message and save the living is much more reasonable.

Hello, Earth. :)

Jesus is not two things at once. He has two equal 100% full and complete natures: a Divine nature and a Human nature. It's the Hypostatic Union.

And YES it is possiblw with my God. ALL things are possible with my God. He can even do things that NO MAN can ever fully comprehend.

I care not for what is more reasonable. I care for the truth.

To claim Jesus holds two entities is a bit schizophrenic, and if you disagree, well, you're just wrong. Plainly speaking, for a Human being named Jesus to hold two minds inside himself (God & Jesus) would be to have two separate wills, minds, and abilities

Jesus is ONE "entity".

He has two natures, however.

Hypostatic Union.
http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/07610b.htm


agree with your there, she did Birth Jesus, but technically also birthed God. Since Jesus (the man) was born from her, and God was inside Jesus (behind the wheel) then this was possible.

We are close to agreement.

Mary gave birth to Jesus, who was fully man, and IS fully God.
Immanuel: God with us.

The Incarnation
http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/07706b.htm

Although it certainly seems QUITE possible to Multiply Jesuses, now doesn't it? Mr. 300%.

No. It is not possible to multiply Jesus.
Nor is it possible to divide Jesus.
There have been, and continue to be, heresies which do attempt to divide Jesus, however.

So, who exactly was God before Jesus arrived from Mary? Hm? Just God and the Ghost? Or was Jesus sort of hanging around waiting to be born in Heaven?

I'm glad you asked. :)

The Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit, are Eternally the One God.
Jesus wasn't a man until he became one through Mary.

http://www.cforc.com/kjv/John/index.html
John 1:1-14
In the beginning was the Word [Jesus] , and the Word [Jesus]was with God, and the Word [Jesus]was God.

1:2
The same was in the beginning with God.

1:3
All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

1:4
In him was life; and the life was the light of men.

1:5
And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.

1:6
There was a man sent from God, whose name was John.

1:7
The same came for a witness, to bear witness of the Light, that all men through him might believe.

1:8
He was not that Light, but was sent to bear witness of that Light.

1:9
That was the true Light, which lighteth every man that cometh into the world.

1:10
He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not.

1:11
He came unto his own, and his own received him not.

1:12
But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:

1:13
Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.

1:14
And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.


Hebrews 1:1-8
God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets,

1:2
Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he [The Father] hath appointed heir of all things, by whom [The Son] also he [The Father] made the worlds;

1:3
Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high:

1:4
Being made so much better than the angels, as he hath by inheritance obtained a more excellent name than they.

1:5
For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son?

1:6
And again, when he bringeth in the firstbegotten into the world, he [The Father] saith, And let all the angels of God worship him [Jesus].

1:7
And of the angels he saith, Who maketh his angels spirits, and his ministers a flame of fire.

1:8
But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.


Thanks for giving your perspective with mine, obviously I don't agree a lot of times, not trying to be mean or disruptive with my perception of how it is, but when ideas clash :D. heh.. onward.

As it says for this forum "Questions about Christianity", "This forum is for non-believers seeking to know more about Christianity."
The OP asked for an explanation of the Trinity and several Christians and non-Christians have replied.

And as you have asked me questions, I have given my replies to you.

Peace.
 
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Aye aye Capt. Was just asking questions. Happened in debate forms..heh.

Thanks for the quotes answering my inquiries, I see my main issue with this is that whole "spirit" area which allows further material that is mainly immaterial, so it's difficult to make sense of in the concepts shown.

In use of spirits, 2 at once seems possibleish, though 3 would probably be a bit much. Unless the whole 2 in 1 not being possible doesn't apply to immaterial, which it probably wouldn't.

heh, oy, the oddness of it all.
 
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angelicradianse said:
I am confused by trinity. I don't understand it at all. If anyone can help with this can you please.
EVERYONE is confused by the Trinity. It is part of the nature of God that we cannot understand. Some of the people posting above are having a hard time understanding that God is so different from us that some of the things He says do not seem to make sense.

Remember when you were a small child, your parents would tell you something that did not make sense to you until you were older? The Trinity is like that.

We use the words "Trinity" and 'God in three Persons" as a way to explan something we can't really understand. The Bible teaches that the Father is fully God, The Son is fully God, the Holy Spirit is fully God. They are separate persons, but each of them has all of the nature of the others and the three are one God.
 
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EVERYONE is confused by the Trinity

hello chilehead, im not at all confused with the trinity. just happen that im not a proponent of the doctrine of trinity nor am i a proponent of the oneness doctrine :D

We use the words "Trinity" and 'God in three Persons" as a way to explan something we can't really understand. The Bible teaches that the Father is fully God, The Son is fully God, the Holy Spirit is fully God. They are separate persons, but each of them has all of the nature of the others and the three are one God.

dear chilehead,

the doctrine of trinity talks of the First, Second & Third Person,

(a) Did God ever claim in the New Testament that He is the first person of the trinity?

(b) Did Jesus ever claim in the New Testament that He is the second person of the trinity?

(c) Did the Holy Ghost ever make a statement to any of the ecclesiastical gentlemen/NEW TESTAMENT CHRISTIANS that He is the third person of the trinity?

(d) present biblical/HOLY SCRIPTURAL proof that trinity is indeed scriptural or a biblical/HOLY SCRIPTURAL proof stating that there is ONLY ONE GOD EXISTING IN THREE PERSONS.

im not throwing punches with you, chilehead... so please dont construe that my questioning you about the subject being discussed means im wishing to start a heated argument... am just exchanging Christian views... cheers!
 
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