Trinity, Semi-Arian, Modalist Differences and similarities

[tall73]

Was that your really long way of telling me that you aren't going to ALLOW me to post in the Traditional subforum of this forum?

Do you honestly think the mods (even the new ones) are going to tell me that I can't?

I am not convinced yet that you say anything against the fundamental beliefs.

But the clearer question is what will you do with Woob who has confirmed more than once that he does not agree with all the beliefs.

Do you only want rules to apply to certain ones?

Why then do you continually defend his right to flaunt the rules.

Now read the standard again:

Progressive and liberal SDA members who may question, have newer interpretations of, or do not hold to the official 28 beliefs.

Does he meet it? Yes or no.

I have to wonder who would come into a thread where I'm fellowshipping and agreeing with EVERYTHING and tell me that I have to go.

I have to wonder who will look at Woob's statements and tell him to go.

Give me whatever label you want, I'm posting in the Traditional subforum Tall. I have very, very dear friends in there that are friends way past this forum (e-mails. letters, phone calls, etc). Are they going to report me for not debating? No way.

The standard doesn't care who your friends are. Are you saying I can't have friends there?

What about Senti, can he have friends there? Why was he told to get the hell out then?

No, that is clearly not the standard. Read it again:

Progressive and liberal SDA members who may question, have newer interpretations of, or do not hold to the official 28 beliefs.


I don't see anything about dear friends or emails or letters.

Your only argument seems to be that you are going to do what you want and no one can stop you, therefore it is perfectly fine.

Now are you willing for everyone else to follow that version of the rules?

 

[StormyOne]

Interesting. The bottom line is some people here will do what they want to do, regardless of what the rules state. Perhaps we can follow their example.

 

[tall73]

Interesting. The bottom line is some people here will do what they want to do, regardless of what the rules state. Perhaps we can follow their example.

Apparently so.

Halt the rules process. We can do what we want.

 

[TrustAndObey]

Senti was baiting people. He wasn't fellowshipping.

I don't agree with the manner in which he was told to leave, and Senti knows firsthand that I didn't agree with it. We PMd back and forth for a long time.

But I asked him as my brother to quit posting in there because his statements were upsetting a lot of people. As my brother, he gave me his word, and he stopped.

I don't have a "newer" interpretation of any of our fundamental beliefs. From some of the things that have been sent to me written by EGW, I seem to be dead-on with the teachings of the Adventist church, Tall. I agree with all of the fundamental beliefs.

Stick a big T on my forehead. I don't care.

If you stick a big P on it, you're not going to get people reporting me for debating, because I don't debate in there, period.

 

[tall73]

Senti was baiting people. He wasn't fellowshipping.

AH! Stop the presses. That is a rule. You are advocating not worrying about rules.

Now....what is the standard?

Progressive and liberal SDA members who may question, have newer interpretations of, or do not hold to the official 28 beliefs.


That is the standard.

So does it matter if Senti has dear friends who send emails?

I don't agree with the manner in which he was told to leave, and Senti knows firsthand that I didn't agree with it. We PMd back and forth for a long time.

I agree, I saw too that you did not like it.

Now....do you like how certain people totally ignore the clear stated rules? Here is the standard again :

Progressive and liberal SDA members who may question, have newer interpretations of, or do not hold to the official 28 beliefs.


Now, you are ducking...does Woob meet the standard?

But I asked him as my brother to quit posting in there because his statements were upsetting a lot of people. As my brother, he gave me his word, and he stopped.

When are you going to ask Woob to stop being in violation of the rules by giving his view in there?

I don't have a "newer" interpretation of any of our fundamental beliefs. From some of the things that have been sent to me written by EGW, I seem to be dead-on with the teachings of the Adventist church, Tall. I agree with all of the fundamental beliefs.

Stick a big T on my forehead. I don't care.

Yet you support Woob posting there who clearly doesn't. Why?

As for your beliefs, I haven't looked all that close yet. That is not the issue to me. The issue is that you want flexible rules when it suits you.

Here again is the standard:

Progressive and liberal SDA members who may question, have newer interpretations of, or do not hold to the official 28 beliefs.

If you stick a big P on it, you're not going to get people reporting me for debating, because I don't debate in there, period.

So does Woob meet the standard?

Progressive and liberal SDA members who may question, have newer interpretations of, or do not hold to the official 28 beliefs.

 

[tall73]

I have to go. But I hope you will comment on Woob's eligibility under the standard. Here it is again :

Progressive and liberal SDA members who may question, have newer interpretations of, or do not hold to the official 28 beliefs.

 

[TrustAndObey]

What is this obsession with Woob, Tall?

It's getting a little freaky honestly how you guys keep kicking him while he's already down.

He already told you he doesn't like you using him as an example and you said you'd stop, but obviously you're not going to.

Woob may come to the Traditional forum and fellowship with us any time he wants. Unless one of you guys want to go in there and report him for it (not a rule violation by the way), he will not get reported.

He is WELCOME there any time.

 

[woobadooba]

A. It is not my rule.

B. If you want to post in the petty forum you need to follow the petty rules.

C. I am not speaking of your essential essence, nor do I agree with the standard. But it is what we have.

Your only argument seems to be to deny logical fact that you do not meet the standard.

Do I want to beat you over the head with the standard? No. I would rather we get rid of the divisions entirely. But for now we have the standard:

Progressive and liberal SDA members who may question, have newer interpretations of, or do not hold to the official 28 beliefs.

I am not in the mood for your nonsense!

And you have no right to put me in a box.

Get off my back!

 

[TrustAndObey]

I don't meet the standard of a Progressive Adventist Tall.

I am not questioning the fundamental belief, I do not have a "newer" interpretation.

I have NO plans to leave the Adventist church.

I believe in the Adventist message.

Period dot com.

 

[NightEternal]

Woob is no more a Traditionalist than I am. He has clearly stated he believes the IJ did not begin in 1844, which is in direct violation of one of the fundamentals. Furthermore, his views on EGW and inspiration are very similar to mine, which is nowhere near the Traditional understanding of her having doctrinal authourity.

That's fine, I even applaud him for being so open-minded. However, though he may despise us and not get along with us, his beliefs clearly place him in our camp.

Apologies to those who hate labels, but if we only have the two to choose from, it's clear where he belongs.

 

[TrustAndObey]

Okay, seriously, this obsession with Woob is getting very scary.

You might as well just say that it totally gripes you that you can't go in there and debate.

Sorry, that's how it is.

 

[woobadooba]

Woob is no more a Tradtionalist than I am. He has clearly stated he believes the IJ did not begin in 1844. Furthermore, his views on EGW are very similar to mine, which is nowhere near the Traditional understanding of her having doctrinal authourity.

That's fine, I even applaud him for being so open-minded. However, though he may despise us and not get along with us, his beliefs clearly place him in our camp.

According to who?

Again, this is not an all or nothing thing here. I never agreed to be placed in either group, nor did I agree with the standards that have been raised up to identify each group.

As far as I am concerned I am just simply a Christian that belongs to the SDA church.

Please do not label me as anything else.

 

[woobadooba]

Okay, seriously, this obsession with Woob is getting very scary.

You might as well just say that it totally gripes you that you can't go in there and debate.

Sorry, that's how it is.

What do you expect? I am hated. That's why I'm referred to like this.

It seems like everyone in here likes to use me as an example for 'badness'.

 

[TrustAndObey]

I don't hate you Woob. I love you very much and you've been a great friend to me.

Before and after the really bad/good news I got this week. I appreciate you and your friendship is a true blessing to me.

 

[NightEternal]

Trust, I have no and never have had any desire to go into the Traditional subforum, really. If I want to debate, I can do it in the debate area.

That is, when it is FINALLY put up!

Woob was the example being used, so I followed suit.

No obssession here on my part. If he doesn't want to be the example, I will gladly no loger do so.

 

[StormyOne]

What do you expect? I am hated. That's why I'm referred to like this.

It seems like everyone in here likes to use me as an example for 'badness'.

lol not even.... everyone does not hate you, nor does everyone use you as the example for badness.....

 

[NightEternal]

Me and Stormy know all about being the poster boys for BAAAAAAD!

In fact, we may as well just have demon avatars as far as some are concerned.

 

[StormyOne]

Me and Stormy know all about being the poster boys for BAAAAAAD!

In fact, we may as well just have demon avatars as far as some are concerned.

yanno.....

 

[sentipente]

Well, it looked like a good idea at the time.

 

[tall73]

Okay, seriously, this obsession with Woob is getting very scary.

You might as well just say that it totally gripes you that you can't go in there and debate.

Sorry, that's how it is.

The "woob obsession" is a diversion to keep you from addressing the issue you ducked over and over and over....what is the standard? Why are you positing everything else for the standard? Woob is not an obsession but an example, as I myself am.

Am I progressive by that definition?

Is Woob?


What bothers me is you care about woob but you don't care about those who were going through inquisition after inquisition before.

You were perfectly happy to draw lines in the sand until they crossed you and your friend.

It is not an obsession with Woob. It is an obsession with the rules. The standard is clear. Yet you keep deflecting.

I don't want Woob or anyone else to be put into these categories. But that is the rule,.

Now....you talk about my obsession with Woob. What is your obsession with ignoring the rule?


Is this the rule governing the sub-forum or is it not? And do you plan to ignore it?

Progressive and liberal SDA members who may question, have newer interpretations of, or do not hold to the official 28 beliefs.