Trinity, Duality or Unity?

[servantofyahshua]

It is commonly believed that God, the Son and, the Holy Ghost are one God but three divine entities, also known as the Trinity. The word Trinity, however, is not found in the Bible. What does the Bible say?

1. There is one God (Ex 20:3) and you shall have no other gods besides him (Dt 5:7).
   
2. God is spirit (John 4:24). The spiritual domain came into being when God spoke and the spirit went out of his mouth (Psalm 33:6). The spiritual world includes God and his angles, Satan and his demons and, our spirits. Note that we are a creation of God; we have existed in the spiritual realm prior to conception but without physical body (Ecc 12:6-7, Jer 1:5).
   
3. In the same way, God created the physical domain (Gen 1:1-2, Gen 2:7), including thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers (Col 1:16-18).
   
4. God created man in his own image (Gen 1:26-27). Man is composed of spirit, soul (mind) and body (1 Thes 5:23). At the time of conception, one physical body is assigned to one spirit, forming one person. Since then, any action in the physical domain has some reaction in the spiritual domain and vice versa. When our spiritual dress is defiled, also our body gets ill (Mt 15:16-18, John 9:2).
   
5. When the Word of God was conceived by the spirit of God in the womb of a woman two millenia ago, again one physical body was assigned to one spirit (John 1:14). This time, the person was called Jesus (Mt 1:20-21).
   
6. In John 8:57-58, Jesus answered the Jews "Before Abraham was I AM" (Greek: πριν αβρααμ γενεσθαι εγω ειμι - prin Abraam genesthai ego EIMI). Note the present tense in this sentence. In Ex 3:14, God introduced himself to Moses as "I AM THAT I AM" (Hewbrew: אהיה אשר אהיה - Ehyeh-Asher-Ehyeh). God is understood to be in the present as he always was in the past and he always be in the future, and so is Jesus (Rev 22:13-14). Indeed, Jesus is a spatial, temporal and spiritual image of the invisible God (Col 1:14-15).
   
7. For the Holy Ghost, we know from Acts 20:28 that he had purchased all the flock with his own blood. The Holy Ghost has no blood unless he is Jesus. It is evident that the Holy Ghost is the spirit of Jesus.
   
8. Hence, the Holy Ghost and Jesus are images of God. Indeed, The Holy Ghost could do nothing on his own, unless he saw something the Father was doing (John 16:13). Jesus could do nothing on his own, unless he saw something the Father was doing (John 5:19). Jesus acted as his spirit, the Holy Ghost, advised him.
   
9. For us, Jesus is mighty God and Everlasting Father (Isaiah 9:6). Simultaneously, Jesus is an incarnation of God, the Father (Luke 1:34-35). In this way, Jesus is son and father at the same time.
   
10. After his resurrection, Jesus' spirit has come upon many believers, starting with the twelve apostles (Acts 2:1-4), and continuing with the other believers until today. God's spirit manifests as wisdom, word of knowledge, faith in Jesus, healing of the sick, working of miracles, prophecy, discerning of spirits, speaking in tongues, interpretation of tongues, etc. (Acts 2:1-4).
    
11. Jesus answered, “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me (John 14:6)." The image of God is the interface between God and us. When we go through this interface, our spiritual dress becomes white, and we end up in the arms of God who gives us life. Any other image on Earth is the interface between us and an evil spirit, a demon. If we go through that interface, our spiritual dress becomes dirty. Hardly noticing it, this demon puts us to death.
    

Conclusions
There is only one God, the Father. Jesus, the Son, is the projection of God to the five space-time-spirit dimensions. The Holy Ghost is the spiritual part of Jesus. Every point in God has a many-to-one correspondence in Jesus and in the Holy Ghost. As we are confined to the five space-time-spirit dimensions, Jesus acts as interface between us and God.


Servant of Christ © thebloodofyahshua.com

 

[All4Christ]

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[MJFlores]

Conclusions
There is only one God, the Father. Jesus, the Son, is the projection of God to the five space-time-spirit dimensions. The Holy Ghost is the spiritual part of Jesus. Every point in God has a many-to-one correspondence in Jesus and in the Holy Ghost. As we are confined to the five space-time-spirit dimensions, Jesus acts as interface between us and God.

the five space-time-spirit dimensions

acts as interface between us

 

[Buzz_B]

It is commonly believed that God, the Son and, the Holy Ghost are one God but three divine entities, also known as the Trinity. The word Trinity, however, is not found in the Bible. What does the Bible say?

1. There is one God (Ex 20:3) and you shall have no other gods besides him (Dt 5:7).
   
2. God is spirit (John 4:24). The spiritual domain came into being when God spoke and the spirit went out of his mouth (Psalm 33:6). The spiritual world includes God and his angles, Satan and his demons and, our spirits. Note that we are a creation of God; we have existed in the spiritual realm prior to conception but without physical body (Ecc 12:6-7, Jer 1:5).
   
3. In the same way, God created the physical domain (Gen 1:1-2, Gen 2:7), including thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers (Col 1:16-18).
   
4. God created man in his own image (Gen 1:26-27). Man is composed of spirit, soul (mind) and body (1 Thes 5:23). At the time of conception, one physical body is assigned to one spirit, forming one person. Since then, any action in the physical domain has some reaction in the spiritual domain and vice versa. When our spiritual dress is defiled, also our body gets ill (Mt 15:16-18, John 9:2).
   
5. When the Word of God was conceived by the spirit of God in the womb of a woman two millenia ago, again one physical body was assigned to one spirit (John 1:14). This time, the person was called Jesus (Mt 1:20-21).
   
6. In John 8:57-58, Jesus answered the Jews "Before Abraham was I AM" (Greek: πριν αβρααμ γενεσθαι εγω ειμι - prin Abraam genesthai ego EIMI). Note the present tense in this sentence. In Ex 3:14, God introduced himself to Moses as "I AM THAT I AM" (Hewbrew: אהיה אשר אהיה - Ehyeh-Asher-Ehyeh). God is understood to be in the present as he always was in the past and he always be in the future, and so is Jesus (Rev 22:13-14). Indeed, Jesus is a spatial, temporal and spiritual image of the invisible God (Col 1:14-15).
   
7. For the Holy Ghost, we know from Acts 20:28 that he had purchased all the flock with his own blood. The Holy Ghost has no blood unless he is Jesus. It is evident that the Holy Ghost is the spirit of Jesus.
   
8. Hence, the Holy Ghost and Jesus are images of God. Indeed, The Holy Ghost could do nothing on his own, unless he saw something the Father was doing (John 16:13). Jesus could do nothing on his own, unless he saw something the Father was doing (John 5:19). Jesus acted as his spirit, the Holy Ghost, advised him.
   
9. For us, Jesus is mighty God and Everlasting Father (Isaiah 9:6). Simultaneously, Jesus is an incarnation of God, the Father (Luke 1:34-35). In this way, Jesus is son and father at the same time.
   
10. After his resurrection, Jesus' spirit has come upon many believers, starting with the twelve apostles (Acts 2:1-4), and continuing with the other believers until today. God's spirit manifests as wisdom, word of knowledge, faith in Jesus, healing of the sick, working of miracles, prophecy, discerning of spirits, speaking in tongues, interpretation of tongues, etc. (Acts 2:1-4).
    
11. Jesus answered, “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me (John 14:6)." The image of God is the interface between God and us. When we go through this interface, our spiritual dress becomes white, and we end up in the arms of God who gives us life. Any other image on Earth is the interface between us and an evil spirit, a demon. If we go through that interface, our spiritual dress becomes dirty. Hardly noticing it, this demon puts us to death.

Conclusions
There is only one God, the Father. Jesus, the Son, is the projection of God to the five space-time-spirit dimensions. The Holy Ghost is the spiritual part of Jesus. Every point in God has a many-to-one correspondence in Jesus and in the Holy Ghost. As we are confined to the five space-time-spirit dimensions, Jesus acts as interface between us and God.


Servant of Christ © thebloodofyahshua.com

I agree that the Bible does not teach Jesus to be God. And when anyone speaks of what the Bible really teaches there are forever zealots around to go on the attack. It is the same spirit which inspired the Inquisitions and the murder of Christians who refused to buy into the counsels of the Catholic religion. Especially the Counsel of Nicaea in 325.

Constantine used the doctrine as a guise to elicit Christians to join him in his wars by making it seem as though about defeating ungodly heathen all the while he wore a symbol straight out of paganism on the front of his uniform.

Today it is illegal to literally go around killing people so many use that doctrine to discriminate against against people by cutting off their right and ability to speak their thoughts. No doubt God was behind the freedom of speech under the Constitution of the United States to help minimize the problem and allow the truth to finally be preached to the entire world. Of course the USA leaders saw it primarily as a way of keeping man from enslaving them to limited narrow-minded ideologies of the kind which pursued William Tyndale into another country to put him to death for publishing his Bible.

 

[prodromos]

Constantine used the doctrine as a guise to elicit Christians to join him in his wars by making it seem as though about defeating ungodly heathen all the while he wore a symbol straight out of paganism on the front of his uniform

What evidence do you have that Christians joined Constantine in his wars?

 

[Buzz_B]

What evidence do you have that Christians joined Constantine in his wars?

I am not saying that Christians should have gotten involved in Rome's warfare. I believe that those who did were spiritually bankrupt, having been either poorly taught or caved to pressure or both. For we also have testimony by earlier historians which shows newly converted Christians laying down their arms and leaving out of the military.

The setting: Back as far as 173 and the Marcomannic Wars, under emperor Marcus Aurelius which led to the Legio XII Fulminata (“Thunderstruck”) campaign along the Danube against the Quadi. The Quadi were previous allies of Rome who had later switched sides and began fighting against Rome.

Christian authors Tertullian and Apollinarius both speak of that period, saying that the Christians in the Roman legion prayed and and provided rain, and even stated that Marcus Aurelius thanked his Christian soldiers for their prayers.

See: Eusebius, The History of the Church, trans. by G.A. Williamson (New York: Penguin Books, 1965), 5.5; Tertullian, Apology, trans. by S. Thelwall (1885), NewAdvent.org, CHURCH FATHERS: Apology (Tertullian) (accessed April 19, 2012), 5; Cassius Dio, Roman History, trans. by Earnest Cary (1927), LacusCurtius, LacusCurtius • Cassius Dio's Roman History (accessed April 12, 2012), 72.8-10; Historia Augusta, trans. by David Magie (1932), LacusCurtius, LacusCurtius • The Historia Augusta (accessed April 12, 2012), Life of Marcus Aurelius Antoninus, 24.4.

Of course, it is also well documented that the unbaptized Constantine personally sat in on the church counsel of Nicaea in 325. You can find that evidence quite easily with an Internet search.

It is widely known that Constantine was never baptized until on his deathbed. What is kept hidden is the factr that Constantine was not even conscious at the time and it was someone else who requested his baptism. (It has been decades since I last read that record concerning Constantine being unconscious at the time, and so at the moment do not have it on the top of my memory to be able to direct you where to find it. But i will look around for it.)

(I should interject here that a rather recent story claims that the reason for Constantine's not choosing to get baptized had to do with a belief that their sins could not be forgiven after baptism. The story is ridiculous by defenders of Constantine as being Christian. And that story relies on keeping hidden the fact that Constantine was unconscious and never requested he be baptized. The story insults our good sense for it really does nothing to prove Constantine a legitimate Christian.)

What we see by the church from the second century forward is what the Bible calls (spiritually speaking) fornication like that of ancient Israel with the worldly nations which kept getting them into trouble. I have a huge collection of information but unfortunately a limited capacity to access it quickly other than mostly by memory. The book called, 'The Two Babylons', by Alexander Hislop in 1853, is a very good read to get a general sense of much that was taking place back then.

http://ldolphin.org/PDFs/The_Two_Babylons-Alexander_Hislop.pdf

 

[prodromos]

Alexander Hislop's faulty methodology has been thoroughly debunked long ago. It amazes me that people still offer him as a credible source.

That Constantine sat in on the 1st Council of Nicaea has never been questioned, however your implication that Constantine influenced the decisions of the council has no basis. Constantine himself leaned towards Arianism yet the council anathemised Arianism as a heresy. Constantine abided by the decisions of the council.

All you have noted is that there were Christians in the military, just as there were in all walks of life. If you recall in the Gospels, there were soldiers among those who were baptised by John, yet they were not told by John that they should leave the military, only that they should not abuse the authority they had to extort money from civilians. Clearly it is possible to be both a soldier and Christian.

 

[Buzz_B]

Alexander Hislop's faulty methodology has been thoroughly debunked long ago. It amazes me that people still offer him as a credible source.

That Constantine sat in on the 1st Council of Nicaea has never been questioned, however your implication that Constantine influenced the decisions of the council has no basis. Constantine himself leaned towards Arianism yet the council anathemised Arianism as a heresy. Constantine abided by the decisions of the council.

All you have noted is that there were Christians in the military, just as there were in all walks of life. If you recall in the Gospels, there were soldiers among those who were baptised by John, yet they were not told by John that they should leave the military, only that they should not abuse the authority they had to extort money from civilians. Clearly it is possible to be both a soldier and Christian.

That Alexander Hislop was thoroughly debunked long ago is an opinion. Not that every detail he spoke had to be completely free of error, for none of us have achieved that if we are humble enough to admit it. But Hislop does give some very solid references to support much of what he says.

No man in his right mind should so worship every letter of another humans words that they allow it to stifle further investigation on their part. But just as harmful is a form of haughtiness which simply blanketly rejects all that is said because of their opinion of who said it.

It may well have been Hislop from whom I read that Constantine was unconscious at his baptism. At the moment I do not recall from where I read that. But I know I did read it and I know that historical records were given in support of it. It is one of those things one wishes they had kept at a more convenient place but failed at the time to see it would be needed later on.

None-the-less, we have very solid records to show that Constantine's becoming a Christian did not at all match up in even the slightest degree to the requirements of repentance lain forth in the Scriptures. And we have ample historical records to show that he was at best a fence straddler who yet worshiped his pagan gods in addition to whatever he did as a so-called Christian. There is no value in our being naive about it.

Clearly you have your heart set on being freely able to continue to believe the doctrines you have held dear for so long a time. And clearly you do not like that anyone should say things which if believed would cause your conscience to interfere with that freedom to believe as you always have. That is normal. That does not make you evil. It makes you human.

My desire is not to offend you. But unfortunately it seems that often the only way not to offend anyone is not to speak at all about it. Yet you like most ardent Trinity believers feel compelled to save those who do not believe in your Trinity. And so you defend your right to speak and put forth what you consider to be proof of what you believe while at the same time letting yourself be offended by what those who disagree with you speak. And by that you practice a double standard which gives you freedom but justifies trying to squash the freedom of those who happen to disagree with you by believing they are wrong and leading others to death.

That is a rock and a hard spot, isn't it? You think I am wrong and I think you are wrong. We both believe that the Bible supports what we believe and so we both use the same reason for sharing our faith to others. But, we do not both try to silence others taking away their right to speak in defense of what they believe.

I believe all should be free to speak for it is only in that way that we can be like iron which sharpens iron. We ought not pridefully think we are diamonds employed to do that sharpening.

 

[prodromos]

That Alexander Hislop was thoroughly debunked long ago is an opinion.

No, it is very much a fact.
For example, he considers the shape of the Latin bishops matre to be similar to the fish head dress worn by certain pagans and claims therefore that the Latin mitre was derived from the pagan, completely ignoring that the development of the shape of the mitre is clearly traceable over history and has no connection with the pagan head dress at all. This is the historically bankrupt methodology Hislop uses throughout his work for all his claims. None of them stand up to historical scrutiny.

Not that every detail he spoke had to be completely free of error, for none of us have achieved that if we are humble enough to admit it. But Hislop does give some very solid references to support much of what he says.

Have you actually checked his references? I have.

No man in his right mind should so worship every letter of another humans words that they allow it to stifle further investigation on their part. But just as harmful is a form of haughtiness which simply blanketly rejects all that is said because of their opinion of who said it.

Check Hislop's sources. Many of his claims regarding pagan beliefs are complete rubbish.

It may well have been Hislop from whom I read that Constantine was unconscious at his baptism. At the moment I do not recall from where I read that. But I know I did read it and I know that historical records were given in support of it. It is one of those things one wishes they had kept at a more convenient place but failed at the time to see it would be needed later on.

None-the-less, we have very solid records to show that Constantine's becoming a Christian did not at all match up in even the slightest degree to the requirements of repentance lain forth in the Scriptures. And we have ample historical records to show that he was at best a fence straddler who yet worshiped his pagan gods in addition to whatever he did as a so-called Christian. There is no value in our being naive about it.

This is a complete red herring which has nothing to do with what I asked of you, which was evidence of your claims that Christians joined Constantine in his wars.

Clearly you have your heart set on being freely able to continue to believe the doctrines you have held dear for so long a time. And clearly you do not like that anyone should say things which if believed would cause your conscience to interfere with that freedom to believe as you always have. That is normal. That does not make you evil. It makes you human.

Clearly you have no clue as to my motives. You made what I know to be a baseless claim and I asked you to back it up. That's all. I've not questioned your religious beliefs.

My desire is not to offend you. But unfortunately it seems that often the only way not to offend anyone is not to speak at all about it. Yet you like most ardent Trinity believers feel compelled to save those who do not believe in your Trinity. And so you defend your right to speak and put forth what you consider to be proof of what you believe while at the same time letting yourself be offended by what those who disagree with you speak. And by that you practice a double standard which gives you freedom but justifies trying to squash the freedom of those who happen to disagree with you by believing they are wrong and leading others to death.

Huh?

That is a rock and a hard spot, isn't it? You think I am wrong and I think you are wrong. We both believe that the Bible supports what we believe and so we both use the same reason for sharing our faith to others. But, we do not both try to silence others taking away their right to speak in defense of what they believe.

Clearly you have nothing to back up your earlier claim, otherwise why this huge red herring. I've not challenged your religious beliefs, but your historical claims regarding Christians and Constantine's wars.

I believe all should be free to speak for it is only in that way that we can be like iron which sharpens iron. We ought not pridefully think we are diamonds employed to do that sharpening.

You seriously must have me confused with someone else.

 

[Buzz_B]

No, it is very much a fact.
For example, he considers the shape of the Latin bishops matre to be similar to the fish head dress worn by certain pagans and claims therefore that the Latin mitre was derived from the pagan, completely ignoring that the development of the shape of the mitre is clearly traceable over history and has no connection with the pagan head dress at all. This is the historically bankrupt methodology Hislop uses throughout his work for all his claims. None of them stand up to historical scrutiny.

Have you actually checked his references? I have.

Check Hislop's sources. Many of his claims regarding pagan beliefs are complete rubbish.

This is a complete red herring which has nothing to do with what I asked of you, which was evidence of your claims that Christians joined Constantine in his wars.

Clearly you have no clue as to my motives. You made what I know to be a baseless claim and I asked you to back it up. That's all. I've not questioned your religious beliefs.

Huh?

Clearly you have nothing to back up your earlier claim, otherwise why this huge red herring. I've not challenged your religious beliefs, but your historical claims regarding Christians and Constantine's wars.

You seriously must have me confused with someone else.

Obviously we have a difference of opinion.

I have investigated those things myself and came up with different conclusions than yours.

You are not speaking to a child. Nor are you speaking to one too lazy to educate himself. I fully accept that you have every right to speak what you do, even though I see a significant part of what you say as mistaken.

Get over it. I have just as much right to the conclusions I have drawn by rather in depth study as you do. And I have just as much right to speak about those conclusions as you do yours.

Do not think you are going to convert me. It is not going to happen. I cannot be more honest and straight forward than that.

 

[Buzz_B]

Lets try to kick this thread a productive direction:

If Jesus is not God then He cannot be worshiped as only God can be worshiped then why does the Bible say this:

"Jesus said to them, “Most assuredly, I tell you, before Abraham came into existence, I AM.”" - John 8:58

"Thomas said to him, ‘My Lord and my God!’" - John 20:28

"I and the Father are one.” - John 10:30

"Of whom are the fathers and from whom, according to the flesh, Christ came, who is over all, the eternally blessed God. Amen."- Romans 9:5

"But to the Son He says: “Your throne, O God, is forever and ever; A scepter of righteousness is the scepter of Your kingdom." - Hebrews 1:8

"Looking for the blessed hope and glorious appearing of our great God and Savior Jesus Christ"- Titus 2:13

"Then those who were in the boat came and worshiped Him, saying, “Truly You are the Son of God.”- Matthew 14:33

"And as they went to tell His disciples, behold, Jesus met them, saying, “Rejoice!” So they came and held Him by the feet and worshiped Him. " - Matthew 28:09

"When they saw Him, they worshiped Him; but some doubted." - Matthew 28:17

"Then he said, “Lord, I believe!” And he worshiped Him." - John 9:38

"But when He again brings the firstborn into the world, He says: "Let all the angels of God worship Him.” - Hebrews 1:6

"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God" - John 1:1

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Now go ahead and add what you want to that list in support of belief in the Trinity (or Dualty).

But hurry up and get them in there and see if I can't give sound answers for all of those claims. You may not have much longer to do it as Satan is seeking to slay me. Satan does not like it when one refuses to bow to him and kiss his hand.

 

[prodromos]

Do not think you are going to convert me. It is not going to happen. I cannot be more honest and straight forward than that.

You really must have me confused with someone else.

 

[Buzz_B]

You really must have me confused with someone else.

That is quite possible.

I am only a 15 watt light bulb you know. Not the brightest one in the room.

 

[Buzz_B]

I will begin with one I did not list:

Philippians 2:5-6 “Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus: Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God: ...”

This is another of the many verses abused to support the idea that Jesus is “God the Son” rather than what he truthfully is, “the Son of God.”

We are told there to let the same mind be in us as in Jesus, and that mind of Jesus is there claimed to be, “thought it not robbery to be equal with God...”

Eve was deceived so that she, “thought it not robbery to be equal with God”:

Genesis 3:5 “For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil.”

The serpent was being used of Satan who himself is a rebellious angel who, “thought it not robbery to be equal with God.” Comparing the king of Babylon to that fallen angel, Isaiah speaks:

Isaiah 14:12-14
12 How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!
13 For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north:
14 I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High.

Yet, ministers of Satan, of whom there are many, masquerading as ministers of Christ (2 Corinthians 11:13-15) willingly ignore that, as they find ways to twist and rationalize everything their way, refusing to listen to ones the holy spirit has really taught and debunking translators who disagree with the KJV rendering.

The American Standard Version has that verse translated more nearly correct: Philippians 2:6 “who, existing in the form of God, counted not the being on an equality with God a thing to be grasped,”

That wording is yet a bit ambiguous. But we can easily reason that verse 5 tells us to have the same mind and that therefore it must be understood in some manner which can also be directly applied to ourselves as imperfect humans. As worded in the KJV, should we “not think it robbery to be equal to God”, like verse 5 tells us to do? Clearly then there is a problem and we find that problem in how they translated verse 6.

The more correct rendering is the ASV. The word, “robbery”, in the KJV is translated, “grasped” in the ASV. Do we have equality with God in our grasp so as to be able to let go of it? After the serpent deceived her, Eve thought that she did. And we act in manners all the time which we do not even realize are like trying to be God's equal.

So, to everyone's surprise I am sure, the holy spirit has informed me that in our fleshly sinful state we do have our hand grasping at equality with God and that Jesus does have an equality with God which he did let go of, but not in the way Trinity believers teach. Yet who of you have known that? Not even JW's or any group that I know of has made this very simple observation. I could not see it until the holy spirit whispered it to me while I was pondering this verse.

Christ does indeed have an equality with God. But that in no way makes him literally God. His equality is as a Son to a Father. What father of you considers his son to be inferior? That is all this equality refers to.

When Eve reached out and grasped a level of equality that allowed her not to have to obey God (just as the angel who became Satan did), then she was grasping at what did not belong to her to grasp at. From Philippians 2:5-6 we learn that Christ, while having the equality a son does to a father, would never do that to his Father. And we can have that humble mindset as he has, knowing that we too will become as sons to God. Sons whom God does not consider inferior to himself.

What a beautiful picture. Pick up on it and begin screaming it to the world. Put down the old which was mistakenly grasped in our weakness and pick up the new understanding I just relayed to you by the power of the holy spirit.

And woe to those who resist God.

Don't worry, this revelation has shocked me as much as you. But who in their right mind can deny it? So some instead of pondering it will protest, “What makes you so special that you think God reveals things to you!”

Nothing. Nothing makes me special. I probably have more flaws than most of you. But I have one thing that I do right. God knows that when he nudges me by placing a thought on my mind and heart I will follow it through. He does things for me because he knows I love him as my Father. And as his son I listen to him as he untangles me. I listen only to him.

It is that simple.

I will post on the texts I placed in post 12 at a later time, after you have had a chance to add any additional ones you may wish to add to it.

 

[Buzz_B]

Now let me intercede to speak of our need to get rid of our enemy based mentality and realize that the only real enemy we must see is sin. Our enemy based mentality where we see so many other humans as our enemy is caused of sin. And it violates the law of God's love which we find in Christ.

My inclusion of 2 Corinthians 11:13-15 in that last post may tend to offend a few by the way they see it.

Realize that Paul is not saying these ones are beyond saving. Paul is not saying that these ones realize they are serving as ministers of Satan. He plainly said in verse 12 that these are ones who “glory, they may be found even as we.”

James told us that not many should be teachers for similar reasons. James 3:1

Some do mistakenly think they have God's spirit and that they are being called to teach. With all the many ways of thinking on the different texts that are out there, if they master the thinking of a specific group, whether that groups thinking has been mistaken or not, they are naturally going to be touted a qualified teacher. It is understandably hard to let go of that. And not knowing they are mistaken in their belief, who else can they be ministering for but Satan? Yet it is not a maliciously intended thing. It can become inexcusable if they continue on resisting all of God's efforts through those who are spiritually qualified. But we cannot judge who has and who has not done that.

And we should be able to speak as the Scriptures speak when we know what we are speaking about.

So my words are not to put anyone down. My words are chosen deliberately in accord with the language of the Scriptures to encourage growth. And that means that I have to be willing to be hated at times for what I say by those who due to being yet spiritually lacking in their inner man take it personal rather than loving as it really is. I have to use the words God has supplied to us. My own words cannot be as effective. And so I have to let those who would seek to figuratively behead me for my honesty and adherence to God's word do what they will.

Galatians 1:10 “For am I now seeking the favor of men, or of God? or am I striving to please men? if I were still pleasing men, I should not be a servant of Christ.”

I hope this will help some.

 

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