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Of course they do.Which is why the Christian scriptures state no doctrine about it...
That's about the sum of it--Unitarians and Oneness Pentecostals--and neither of them is considered to be Protestant.and why Oneness churches and Unitarian churches reject it.
Of course they do. That's about the sum of it--Unitarians and Oneness Pentecostals--and neither of them is considered to be Protestant.
I disagree, and the point that you may be overlooking is that Christ was BOTH GOD AND MAN.The point is that there isn't explicit doctrine for a theory of Trinity with a son who refers to "my father" or "Father, why have you forsaken me?" It is obvious that the authors of the gospels and epistles did not have the trinity in mind and couldn't have cared less about it theologically....
No. What I was suggesting is that you appear not to have done much or any study at all into the interpretation of various Bible passages before telling us what we are supposed to think they are telling us.So I guess you mean that in the gospels jesus was kidding around when he referred to his father as a third person, including on the cross.
...and that is a subjective interpretation.Interpretations are subjective. What I was looking for was a definitive expression of the TRIUNE GOD in the Christian scriptures. This does not exist.
How many times do we have to answer the same question for you? You are not going to find the statement "God is triune" in the NT. That does NOT equate to "the Trinity is not taught by the New Testament". Why? Because the component parts ARE stated all throughout the NT.Please identify any unambiguous sources in the NT for the doctrine of a triune God.
We don't need to. "Based on" does not mean "can't contain new information". Something not being revealed in the Old Testament in no way precludes it from being revealed in the New Testament.And if the NT bases itself on the Hebrew Scriptures, please indicate any unambiguous source for this doctrine in them or in the Talmud of Jewish law. Thanks.
You know, there are so many verses that bear upon this topic, from Genesis and Exodus to the epistles of the New Testament, some dealing only with the relationship of Son to Father and others dealing with all three persons, and others with the identify of the Holy Ghost, that it would be a monumental task to nail all of this own in only a discussion board post.Please identify any unambiguous sources in the NT for the doctrine of a triune God. And if the NT bases itself on the Hebrew Scriptures, please indicate any unambiguous source for this doctrine in them or in the Talmud of Jewish law. Thanks.
Two different things in there.Can't anyone point out the official doctrinal statement for the triune God in the gospels that established that the man who referred to God as "my father" was himself the same deity?
The Bible (a word that means the books or Library) is not a manual of systematic theology. Nonetheless it is a foundation on which Systematic Theology is built. Some of what you seek might be found by looking at the Statement of Faith for CF and looking at the links it provides for the various statements made within the Nicene Creed (The Creed of the First Council of Constantinople 381, affirmed at Ephesus 435 and Chalcedon 451).Can't anyone point out the official doctrinal statement for the triune God in the gospels that established that the man who referred to God as "my father" was himself the same deity?
If this is a valid argument, then how much of the Hebrew canon should be invalidated because it was written centuries after Israel/Judaism actually began? Moses & Israel didn't enter the Promised Land with a completed canon, did they?The church has an official canon of sacred texts, just as the Jewish religion has. So if Christianity emerged in the first century what body at that time established the canon of exclusive holy books, to the exclusion of all other texts?
Please identify any unambiguous sources in the NT for the doctrine of a triune God. And if the NT bases itself on the Hebrew Scriptures, please indicate any unambiguous source for this doctrine in them or in the Talmud of Jewish law. Thanks.
I am sorry, I don't understand what you mean. You are theorizing why NOTHING about Jesus or Paul of the NT is mentioned in the Talmud or a single midrash. Considering that manuscript copies spread worldwide before printing from Morocco to Persia, you want to tell me that this involved a centrally controlled conspiracy (theory) to keep out any references from any copies anywhere. This despite the fact that the Talmud discusses at a length the improper behavior of the Samaritan Cuthites and the Saduccees and Zealots. Amazing..
There is a difference. Christianity claims that there is an official canon going back to the first century, but no one knows who made it at that time. Judaism claims that the prophetic books were canonized along the way by the Sanhedrin and closed by the Men of the Great Assembly at the start of the Second Temple period.If this is a valid argument, then how much of the Hebrew canon should be invalidated because it was written centuries after Israel/Judaism actually began? Moses & Israel didn't enter the Promised Land with a completed canon, did they?
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