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The scripture is about going to heaven with a body, not just with a spirit.John 3
13 No one has ever gone into heaven, except the one who came from heaven, the Son of Man.
I think that verse should read: 13 No one has ever gone back into heaven, except the one who came from heaven, the Son of Man.
That is, no one has ever gone back after dying.
I gave you God's written Word that says Jesus is God. You come back on and speak dumbness.
You defend false doctrines with dumbness. There is no question about that. I gave you scripture and you speak about the Catholic's false doctrine of Mary the mother of God.And I gave you God's written word that Jesus is the Son of God.
Isaiah 9.6 says His name shall be called all that. not he will be called god. you quoted from a very inaccurate bible translation, the Good news bible translation. All other translations either say "his name shall be called ' or "he shall be named".[/FONT]
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[FONT="]The Bible does show us that Jesus is God. [/FONT]
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[FONT="]God even says that Jesus would be called God.[/FONT]
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Isaiah 9:6 For to us a child is born, to us a son is given, and the government will be on his shoulders. And he will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.
you have to decide which translation is the correct one, the one you chose or the one I chose. I think most all translations say "his name shall be called"THIS said:God says Jesus is called God, but you do not want me to say what God says. You do not want me to call Jesus what God calls him.
red herring, poisioning of the well, detracts from the issues.THIS said:[FONT="] [/FONT]
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[FONT="]You are speaking nonsense, and you are lying about what the scripture clearly says.[/FONT]
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John 3:13 No one has ever gone into heaven except the one who came from heaven--the Son of Man.[FONT="][/FONT]
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[FONT="]You are not making any sense. Jesus came from heaven. Jesus went back to heaven from where he came.[/FONT]
[FONT="]That is what the scriptures say.[/FONT]
More red herrings, aka poisoning of the well.THIS said:s [FONT="] [/FONT]
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and you end with more red herrings, aka poisoning of the well. It makes anyone's case look really bad when they repeatedly resort to logical fallacies such as red herrings, argumentum ad hominums etc., to defend it. that is it does to anyone hip to what logical fallacies are.THIS said:[FONT="]Jesus is speaking of Spiritual things. [/FONT]
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[FONT="]The scripture says the SON OF MAN came from heaven. [/FONT]
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[FONT="]You are disrespectful about Gods Word. No wonder you do not have Gods Truth revealed to you.[/FONT]
Isaiah 9.6 says His name shall be called all that. not he will be called god. you quoted from a very inaccurate bible translation, the Good news translation. All other translations either say "his name shall be called ' or "he shall be named".
[FONT="]You cannot squash the Truth, no matter how hard you try. God says Jesus will be called God, but you say he is not God. God says it, but you go against God.[/FONT][FONT="]
There is no record in the NT of anyone calling JEsus any of these names. So obviously the scripture is meant to be revelatory about who Jesus is. Jesus name is called the mighty God because, IMO, all the fullness of the divinity was in him, God was in Christ reconciling the world to himself. Same with all the other attributes such as wonderful.[/FONT]
[FONT="]The translations say the same. If his name is God, then why do you tell me I am wrong? Jesus is God, just as God says. You say I am wrong for saying what God says. I call Jesus God because that is what God says to call him.[FONT="]you have to decide which translation is the correct one, the one you chose or the one I chose. I think most all translations say "his name shall be called"[/FONT]
[FONT="]The only red herring here is your using the term red herring.[/FONT][FONT="]More red herrings, aka poisoning of the well.[/FONT]
Jesus was given his Daddy's name. and Jesus Father is God, so God and Jesus have the same name. In fact my real name, not 2ducklow, contains the Hebrew name of God.[FONT="]It is almost laughable what you just did, but it is too serious to laugh. [/FONT]
[FONT="]I said I call Jesus “God”, “Father”, and Holy Spirit because that is what God says Jesus' name will be.[/FONT]
[FONT="]You come on and say the scripture does not say that. Then you give the scripture that plainly says that.[/FONT]
[FONT="]Believe what is written![/FONT][FONT="]
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[FONT="]You cannot squash the Truth, no matter how hard you try. God says Jesus will be called God, but you say he is not God. God says it, but you go against God.[/FONT]
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[FONT="]The translations say the same. If his name is God, then why do you tell me I am wrong? Jesus is God, just as God says. You say I am wrong for saying what God says. I call Jesus God because that is what God says to call him.
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[FONT="]The only red herring here is your using the term red herring.[/FONT]
Online Bible Search for Bible Study - ESV, NKJV, NASB and KJV(NKJV Notes) John 17:11 17:11 p NU-Text and M-Text read keep them through Your name which You have given Me.
John 3
13 No one has ever gone into heaven, except the one who came from heaven, the Son of Man.
I think that verse should read: 13 No one has ever gone back into heaven, except the one who came from heaven, the Son of Man.
That is, no one has ever gone back after dying.
Genesis 5:23
Altogether, Enoch lived a total of 365 years. 24 Enoch walked faithfully with God; then he was no more, because God took him away.
2 Kings 2:11
And it came to pass, as they still went on, and talked, that, behold, there appeared a chariot of fire, and horses of fire, and parted them both asunder; and Elijah went up by a whirlwind into heaven.
Matthew 17:3
Just then there appeared before them Moses and Elijah, talking with Jesus.
[/FONT][FONT="]Jesus was given his Daddy's name. and Jesus Father is God, so God and Jesus have the same name.
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[FONT="]In fact my real name, not 2ducklow, contains the Hebrew name of God.
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(ASV) John 17:11 11 And I am no more in the world, and these are in the world, and I come to thee. Holy Father, keep them in thy name which thou hast given me, that they may be one, even as we are.
so one has to decide if the fact that God gave Jesus his own name proves that Jesus is God. and one also has to decide which version of john 17.11 is correct.[/FONT]
[FONT="](NKJV Notes) John 17:11 17:11 p NU-Text and M-Text read keep them through Your name which You have given Me.[/FONT]
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I all boils down to whether the TR is correct or WH is correct. and that all boils down to which prep. is correct,
is it which or is it whom. TR says whom, WH says which. everyone decides for themselves, even if they let someone else decide for them they are still deciding for themselves.
I had intended to bring this point up previously but forgot.
the description of your doctrine is also the description of the trinity doctrine.[/FONT]
[FONT="]Jesus is God. Do you have a problem with my saying that? That is what God says Jesus’ name is. That is what I call him.[/FONT]
[FONT="]Unlike the false doctrine of trinity, Jesus is God, and the Father, and the Holy Spirit…just as God says.[/FONT]
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my name is God's name too. my name is Ja...... Ja is God's name. so you should believe I am god too using the logic that you are using.THIS said:[FONT="]Jesus saves when you call on him, whether or not you say a Hebrew version of his name or not.
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[FONT="]I call Jesus God because that is what God says Jesus’ name is.[/FONT]
God was in Christ, all the fullness of the divinity dwells in Jesus. The key word is in, not is. In doesn't mean is. A rock in a sack is a totally different concept than a rock is a sack. if something is in something, then it can't be the thing it is in. everyone knows that ,except when discussing trinity or Jesus is God or some such thing. that simple logic totally evades most people on this subject but no where else.THIS said:[FONT="] [/FONT]
[FONT="]Jesus is God in the flesh. Jesus is God come as a Son of God, a Son of Man.[/FONT]
[FONT="]Jesus is God.[/FONT]
[/FONT][FONT="]the description of your doctrine is also the description of the trinity doctrine.
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[FONT="]my name is God's name too. my name is Ja...... Ja is God's name. so you should believe I am god too using the logic that you are using.
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[FONT="]God was in Christ, all the fullness of the divinity dwells in Jesus. The key word is in, not is. In doesn't mean is. A rock in a sack is a totally different concept than a rock is a sack. if something is in something, then it can't be the thing it is in. everyone knows that ,except when discussing trinity or Jesus is God or some such thing. that simple logic totally evades most people on this subject but no where else.
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From a practical standpoint though, I probably have more in common with most people who believe Jesus is God than with those who don't believe Jesus is God. When I see Jesus I call him God sometimes. Sometimes when I'm in the spirit I call Jesus God, because when I see Jesus I'm seeing God who is in Christ. Jesus said he that hath seen me hath seen the father. and everytime I see Jesus, like in visions, I'm seeing God. Also I pray to Jesus because praying to Jesus is praying to his Father who is God. So one could say that we both believe Jesus is God, we just have different concepts as to how Jesus is God. I say Jesus is God because God indwells him and because god manifests himself to me in Jesus so that when I speak to or see Jesus I am speaking to and seeing God. So for me, Jesus functions as god in my life. to you he and 2 others are literally god. But the result is the same. Both concepts result in us both praying to Jesus and calling him.
Actually, Peter said, "Ye men of Israel, hear these words, Jesus of Nazareth, a man approved of God among you by miracles and wonders and signs, which God did by him in the midst of you, as ye yourselves also know."
God worked through Jesus, who was a man approved of God, to do miracles and wonders and signs. Jesus was human just like us and could do nothing of himself. Jesus could only do what God did through him.
Jesus was God in the flesh because he was indwelt by the Father the same as you and me. And like us Jesus could only do what God did through him.
All you have done is to make yourself a golden calf and called it Jesus.
No but one just came to me and whispered in my ear telling me to stop talking to you.[/FONT]
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[FONT="]It is up to you to put more into your studies. Jesus says with the measure you use it will be measured to you.[/FONT]
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[FONT="]You can tell you are not putting any thing into your studies, it shows because of your ignorant comments, such as the one you just made.[/FONT]
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[FONT="]You are being disrespectful again. Did an angel come to your virgin mom? [/FONT]
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[FONT="]God says Jesus’ name is God. Why does it bother you so much that I call Jesus God?[/FONT]
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[FONT="]The Truth matters. It sounds as if you are saying Jesus is the same God as the Father, and that is UNLIKE those of the trinity doctrine. [/FONT]
[FONT="]You might start seeing Jesus as God in the flesh when you come to realize that there is not a spirit of the Man Jesus, and another Spirit inside Him called God…as is for those saved. We have a spirit of our own inside us, but we are also given the Holy Spirit. Jesus’ Spirit is the Holy Spirit. [/FONT]
One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all. (Ephesians 4:6)
That is also about Jesus. The Father and Jesus are one and the same.
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