Trinitarianism: What Non-Trinitarians Believe

[Angelquill]

Ye are all forgetting something, a promise and a needed one and all need it!

We have the greatest teacher ever 24 hrs. a day and the yrs. around and He promises,

Joh 16:13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.

None, not one have any excuse to not know of His Will and Truth for us!

Yes Christ in you the one and only hope of Glory!

That gets you a huge AMEN, Gibs!!!!!!

 

[CherubRam]

That is Judaism's problem to handle.

The article "a" can be implied, the article "the" cannot.

The implied "a" can be used in this verse but not "the".

Jhn 4:25
The woman saith to Him, 'I have known that Messiah doth come, who is called Christ,
when that one may come, he will tell us all things;'

Psa 2:2
Station themselves do kings of the earth, And princes have been united together, Against Yahweh, and against His Messiah:


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I agree with that.

 

[Angelquill]

I agree with that.

I am giving you the benefit of the doubt, here. I am telling myself "perhaps he did not see this post earlier, so, for his benefit, I will post it again."
CherubRam, please answer, if you can:

This is from a website entitled "Judaism 101":

The Mashiach

The mashiach will be a great political leader descended from King David (Jeremiah 23:5). The mashiach is often referred to as "mashiach ben David" (mashiach, son of David). He will be well-versed in Jewish law, and observant of its commandments (Isaiah 11:2-5). He will be a charismatic leader, inspiring others to follow his example. He will be a great military leader, who will win battles for Israel. He will be a great judge, who makes righteous decisions (Jeremiah 33:15).

But above all, he will be a human being, not a god, demi-god or other supernatural being.
(emphasis mine. I wanted to make sure you didn't miss it this time)

It has been said that in every generation, a person is born with the potential to be the mashiach. If the time is right for the messianic age within that person's lifetime, then that person will be the mashiach. But if that person dies before he completes the mission of the mashiach, then that person is not the mashiach.


Please notice, especially, the last line of paragraph 1:
But above all, he will be a human being, not a god, demi-god or other supernatural being.

So, Cherub, I have to ask you...since you didn't get this idea that the Messiah was supposed to be "a god" from Judaism...where did you get it from?

 

[CherubRam]

This is from a website entitled "Judaism 101":

The Mashiach

The mashiach will be a great political leader descended from King David (Jeremiah 23:5). The mashiach is often referred to as "mashiach ben David" (mashiach, son of David). He will be well-versed in Jewish law, and observant of its commandments (Isaiah 11:2-5). He will be a charismatic leader, inspiring others to follow his example. He will be a great military leader, who will win battles for Israel. He will be a great judge, who makes righteous decisions (Jeremiah 33:15). But above all, he will be a human being, not a god, demi-god or other supernatural being.
It has been said that in every generation, a person is born with the potential to be the mashiach. If the time is right for the messianic age within that person's lifetime, then that person will be the mashiach. But if that person dies before he completes the mission of the mashiach, then that person is not the mashiach.


Please notice, especially, the last line of paragraph 1:
But above all, he will be a human being, not a god, demi-god or other supernatural being.

So, Cherub, I have to ask you...since you didn't get this idea that the Messiah was supposed to be "a god" from Judaism...where did you get it from?

Christ was a god in the flesh. Only a god in the flesh could fulfill the scriptures. That person dose not know their bible.

A body you have prepared for me.
Psalm 40 commentary.
N.I.V. foot note for Psalms 40:6 reads: “Hebrew; Septuagint: but a body you have prepared for me. (See also Symmachus and Theodotion)” End of quote. Symmachus the Ebonite was a late 2nd century author of one of the Greek versions of the Old Testament.

Theodotion 200 A.D.
Theodotion was a Jewish scholar, perhaps working in Ephesus, who translated the Hebrew Bible into Greek. Whether he was revising the Septuagint, or was working from Hebrew manuscripts that represented a parallel tradition that has not survived, and is debated. His finished version, which filled some lacunae in the Septuagint version of the Book of Jeremiah and Book of Job, formed one column in Origen's Hexapla. (The Hexapla presented six Hebrew and Greek texts side-by-side: two Greek versions, by Aquila of Sinope and Symmachus, preceding the Septuagint, and Theodotian's version following it, apparently reflecting a contemporary understanding of their historical sequence.

Theodotion's translation was so widely copied in the Early Christian church, that it superseded the Septuagint Book of Daniel. Jerome, in his preface to Daniel records the rejection of the Septuagint version in Christian usage, asserting that its translation was very faulty.

Although Theodotion was Anti-Christ, it may not have occurred to him to change the Hebrew Psalm script from reading: “But a body you have prepared for me.” In Hebrews 10:5 the verse is also repeated. “Therefore, when Christ came into the world, he said: "Sacrifice and offering you did not desire, but a body you prepared for me;”…

1 Peter 3:18
For Christ died for sins once for all, the righteous for the unrighteous, to bring you to God. He was put to death in the body but made alive by the Spirit.

Orthodox Jews claim that He (God) would not father a child upon a human woman. So, the idea of Jesus Christ being a human, fathered by the Holy Spirit is not 'impossible', it would just prove God to be a liar. If the lineage goes through Mary, it does not count because tribal lineage only goes through the father, while national lineage only goes through the mother. If it goes through Joseph, it does not count, because Joseph was not his father.


I would like to state that Christians never claimed that God procreated through Mary, but that He created a body in the linage of David. I do not think that that linage ruling was in effect at the time of Christ birth.

2 John 1:7. Many deceivers, who do not acknowledge Jesus Christ as coming in the flesh, have gone out into the world. Any such person is the deceiver and the antichrist.

1 John 2:22. Who is the liar? It is the man who denies that Jesus is the Christ. Such a man is the antichrist—he denies the Father and the Son. 23. No one who denies the Son has the Father; whoever acknowledges the Son has the Father also.
24. See that what you have heard from the beginning remains in you. If it does, you also will remain in the Son and in the Father. 25. And this is what he promised us—even eternal life.
26. I am writing these things to you about those who are trying to lead you astray. 27. As for you, the anointing you received from him remains in you, and you do not need anyone to teach you.

Psalms 40:6. Sacrifice and offering you did not desire,
but my ears you have pierced;
burnt offerings and sin offerings
you did not require.
7. Then I said, "Here I am, I have come—
it is written about me in the scroll.


If those who are the Anti-Christ deny that the Messiah would come in bodily form, then it is very likely for them to have changed the Hebrew text of Psalms 40:6 to read: “but my ears you have pierced”…

 

[CherubRam]

I am giving you the benefit of the doubt, here. I am telling myself "perhaps he did not see this post earlier, so, for his benefit, I will post it again."
CherubRam, please answer, if you can:

This is from a website entitled "Judaism 101":

The Mashiach

The mashiach will be a great political leader descended from King David (Jeremiah 23:5). The mashiach is often referred to as "mashiach ben David" (mashiach, son of David). He will be well-versed in Jewish law, and observant of its commandments (Isaiah 11:2-5). He will be a charismatic leader, inspiring others to follow his example. He will be a great military leader, who will win battles for Israel. He will be a great judge, who makes righteous decisions (Jeremiah 33:15).

But above all, he will be a human being, not a god, demi-god or other supernatural being.
(emphasis mine. I wanted to make sure you didn't miss it this time)

It has been said that in every generation, a person is born with the potential to be the mashiach. If the time is right for the messianic age within that person's lifetime, then that person will be the mashiach. But if that person dies before he completes the mission of the mashiach, then that person is not the mashiach.


Please notice, especially, the last line of paragraph 1:
But above all, he will be a human being, not a god, demi-god or other supernatural being.

So, Cherub, I have to ask you...since you didn't get this idea that the Messiah was supposed to be "a god" from Judaism...where did you get it from?

It is a teaching in Judaism. Many do not study their bible but like to take part in saying what the bible teaches.

Micah 5:2
“But you, Bethlehem Ephrathah, though you are small among the clans of Judah, out of you will come for me one who will be ruler over Israel, whose origins are from of old, from ancient times.”

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Christ was a god in the flesh. Only a god in the flesh could fulfill the scriptures. That person dose not know their bible.

Orthodox Jews claim that He (God) would not father a child upon a human woman. So, the idea of Jesus Christ being a human, fathered by the Holy Spirit is not 'impossible', it would just prove God to be a liar.
If the lineage goes through Mary, it does not count because tribal lineage only goes through the father, while national lineage only goes through the mother.
If it goes through Joseph, it does not count, because Joseph was not his father.

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I can understand Judaism's problem with that.
I mean a virgin getting impregnated by the Holy Spirit of Yahweh?

The Supposed Virgin Birth
Judaism

Virgin birth was a popular pagan myth, prevalent in numerous religions of the time. The particular strain that we find in Christianity was probably taken directly from the Greek myth of the divine birth of Perseus from the virgin Danae

Makes me wonder how Islam can believe that.

Do Muslims believe in the virgin birth of Jesus?

Muslims believe that Jesus (called 'Isa in Arabic) was the son of Mary, and was conceived without the intervention of a human father.





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[CherubRam]

I can understand Judaism's problem with that.
I mean a virgin getting impregnated by the Holy Spirit of Yahweh?

The Supposed Virgin Birth
Judaism

Virgin birth was a popular pagan myth, prevalent in numerous religions of the time. The particular strain that we find in Christianity was probably taken directly from the Greek myth of the divine birth of Perseus from the virgin Danae

Makes me wonder how Islam can believe that.

Do Muslims believe in the virgin birth of Jesus?

Muslims believe that Jesus (called 'Isa in Arabic) was the son of Mary, and was conceived without the intervention of a human father.





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Psalm 40:6
Sacrifice and offering you did not desire— but a body you prepared for me— burnt offerings and sin offerings you did not require.


Hebrews 10:5
Therefore, when Christ came into the world, he said: “Sacrifice and offering you did not desire, but a body you prepared for me;

 

[Angelquill]

Christ was a god in the flesh. Only a god in the flesh could fulfill the scriptures. That person dose not know their bible.

Sweetie, this was only one of dozens of sites my search pulled up. I chose it because it is familiar to me...but they all say pretty much the same thing.

A body you have prepared for me.
Psalm 40 commentary.
N.I.V. foot note for Psalms 40:6 reads: “Hebrew; Septuagint: but a body you have prepared for me. (See also Symmachus and Theodotion)” End of quote. Symmachus the Ebonite was a late 2nd century author of one of the Greek versions of the Old Testament.

Where, in this, do you see Jesus as "a god"?

Theodotion 200 A.D.
Theodotion was a Jewish scholar, perhaps working in Ephesus, who translated the Hebrew Bible into Greek. Whether he was revising the Septuagint, or was working from Hebrew manuscripts that represented a parallel tradition that has not survived, and is debated. His finished version, which filled some lacunae in the Septuagint version of the Book of Jeremiah and Book of Job, formed one column in Origen's Hexapla. (The Hexapla presented six Hebrew and Greek texts side-by-side: two Greek versions, by Aquila of Sinope and Symmachus, preceding the Septuagint, and Theodotian's version following it, apparently reflecting a contemporary understanding of their historical sequence.

Theodotion's translation was so widely copied in the Early Christian church, that it superseded the Septuagint Book of Daniel. Jerome, in his preface to Daniel records the rejection of the Septuagint version in Christian usage, asserting that its translation was very faulty.

Although Theodotion was Anti-Christ, it may not have occurred to him to change the Hebrew Psalm script from reading: “But a body you have prepared for me.” In Hebrews 10:5 the verse is also repeated. “Therefore, when Christ came into the world, he said: "Sacrifice and offering you did not desire, but a body you prepared for me;”…

I don't see anything here that says that Jesus is "a god"...

1 Peter 3:18
For Christ died for sins once for all, the righteous for the unrighteous, to bring you to God. He was put to death in the body but made alive by the Spirit.

Orthodox Jews claim that He (God) would not father a child upon a human woman. So, the idea of Jesus Christ being a human, fathered by the Holy Spirit is not 'impossible', it would just prove God to be a liar. If the lineage goes through Mary, it does not count because tribal lineage only goes through the father, while national lineage only goes through the mother. If it goes through Joseph, it does not count, because Joseph was not his father.

I've heard these Jewish arguments before. I think we all have. But again, what does any of this have to do with whether Jesus was "a god"?

I would like to state that Christians never claimed that God procreated through Mary, but that He created a body in the linage of David. I do not think that that linage ruling was in effect at the time of Christ birth.

2 John 1:7. Many deceivers, who do not acknowledge Jesus Christ as coming in the flesh, have gone out into the world. Any such person is the deceiver and the antichrist.

1 John 2:22. Who is the liar? It is the man who denies that Jesus is the Christ. Such a man is the antichrist—he denies the Father and the Son. 23. No one who denies the Son has the Father; whoever acknowledges the Son has the Father also.
24. See that what you have heard from the beginning remains in you. If it does, you also will remain in the Son and in the Father. 25. And this is what he promised us—even eternal life.
26. I am writing these things to you about those who are trying to lead you astray. 27. As for you, the anointing you received from him remains in you, and you do not need anyone to teach you.

Still not seeing it...

Psalms 40:6. Sacrifice and offering you did not desire,
but my ears you have pierced;
burnt offerings and sin offerings
you did not require.
7. Then I said, "Here I am, I have come—
it is written about me in the scroll.


If those who are the Anti-Christ deny that the Messiah would come in bodily form, then it is very likely for them to have changed the Hebrew text of Psalms 40:6 to read: “but my ears you have pierced”…

I don't think I ever read a version that said "my ears you have pierced". My King James says:
6 Sacrifice and offering thou didst not desire; mine ears hast thou opened: burnt offering and sin offering hast thou not required.

which seems to make a lot more sense.

However, I still do not see what this has to do with Jesus being "a god".


Truly, CherubRam, you seem to have a very impressive knowledge of church history. However, I don't see one thing here that even addresses the question.
Where did you get the notion that Jesus is "a god"? Surely, the idea that Christ is come "in the flesh" tells us that He is God Incarnate...our Immanuel, or "God With Us". Who but God would have the authority to forgive sins?
And why would God not come personally, in a body prepared beforehand for the purpose? Isn't that just another way of saying that He is God Incarnate?

I do not claim to be a scholar...just a simple bard. But I am willing to learn from my betters.

 

[CherubRam]

It is a teaching in Judaism. Many do not study their bible but like to take part in saying what the bible teaches.

Micah 5:2
“But you, Bethlehem Ephrathah, though you are small among the clans of Judah, out of you will come for me one who will be ruler over Israel, whose origins are from of old, from ancient times.”

Psalm 40:6
Sacrifice and offering you did not desire— but a body you prepared for me— burnt offerings and sin offerings you did not require.


Hebrews 10:5
Therefore, when Christ came into the world, he said: “Sacrifice and offering you did not desire, but a body you prepared for me;

Do you see it now?

 

[Angelquill]

Originally Posted by CherubRam

It is a teaching in Judaism. Many do not study their bible but like to take part in saying what the bible teaches.
Ha! We have Christians like that, too!

Micah 5:2
“But you, Bethlehem Ephrathah, though you are small among the clans of Judah, out of you will come for me one who will be ruler over Israel, whose origins are from of old, from ancient times.”

"Whose origins are from of old, from ancient times.”Well, of course, Cherub! God is ancient!


Originally Posted by CherubRam
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Psalm 40:6
Sacrifice and offering you did not desire— but a body you prepared for me— burnt offerings and sin offerings you did not require.


Hebrews 10:5
Therefore, when Christ came into the world, he said: “Sacrifice and offering you did not desire, but a body you prepared for me;

So, Jesus repeated the psalm and applied it to Himself. Yes...
"A body you prepared for me."
Yes, within the womb of a virgin. We are all familiar with this idea.
God would have to prepare a body if He were going to become flesh and dwell among us, wouldn't He?

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Do you see it now?
Frankly, Cherub, every bit of what you have posted has proven that Jesus Christ is, indeed, as I have always been taught...God in the flesh.
In fact, I am amazed that you do not see it...

 

[CherubRam]

If Yahshua was part of a Trinity, then he most certainly was not the Messiah. Yahwah states that He alone is God, and that there are no others. There is only one person who is truly a God in Judaism, and that is what makes Judaism different from all other beliefs. Trinitarianism and Judaism do not go hand in hand. That would be a contradiction to the basic core of Judaism. The Basic faith of Abraham was that there is only one whom is truly a God, and all the others are manmade gods. The reason for other people being called gods in the bible, is that they have, or will have, life immortal. Only Yahwah can grant immortality.

 

[Angelquill]

And so now we have gone back to the beginning again...

Cherub, we all know that the Jews rejected Jesus, that is not news. And the most important reason for their rejection has to do with His Deity.

Do you remember this story from Mark? It has to do with a man who had palsy. His friends let him down through the roof of the house Jesus was in.
5 When Jesus saw their faith, he said unto the sick of the palsy, Son, thy sins be forgiven thee.
6 But there was certain of the scribes sitting there, and reasoning in their hearts,
7 Why doth this man thus speak blasphemies? who can forgive sins but God only?
"Who can forgive sins but God only?" And yet, how often did Jesus say "Your sins are forgiven?"
Only God can forgive sins. Jesus forgave sins. Therefore, Jesus is God.

 

[Angelquill]

And what about Malachi's prophecy? Do you remember?
Behold, I will send my messenger, and he shall prepare the way before me: and the Lord, whom ye seek, shall suddenly come to his temple, even the messenger of the covenant, whom ye delight in: behold, he shall come, saith the Lord of hosts.
2 But who may abide the day of his coming? and who shall stand when he appeareth? for he is like a refiner's fire, and like fullers' soap:

And the Lord did appear in His temple...and the priests could not stand before Him, as He cleared it, declaring "My house shall be called the house of prayer; but you have made it a den of thieves."

 

[Angelquill]

Nor was this the first time Israel rejected God from being their King. Remember?

6 But the thing displeased Samuel, when they said, Give us a king to judge us. And Samuel prayed unto the Lord.
7 And the Lord said unto Samuel, Hearken unto the voice of the people in all that they say unto thee: for they have not rejected thee, but they have rejected me, that I should not reign over them.
8 According to all the works which they have done since the day that I brought them up out of Egypt even unto this day, wherewith they have forsaken me, and served other gods, so do they also unto thee.

So it is truly no surprise that they rejected Him again...or that they refuse, to this day, to recognize Who their rightful King actually is...

 

[mikedsjr]

If Yahshua was part of a Trinity, then he most certainly was not the Messiah. Yahwah states that He alone is God, and that there are no others. There is only one person who is truly a God in Judaism, and that is what makes Judaism different from all other beliefs. Trinitarianism and Judaism do not go hand in hand. That would be a contradiction to the basic core of Judaism. The Basic faith of Abraham was that there is only one whom is truly a God, and all the others are manmade gods. The reason for other people being called gods in the bible, is that they have, or will have, life immortal. Only Yahwah can grant immortality.

The Shema is where I begin demonstration of the Trinity. It's absolutely True there is one God. Just not one person

 

[CherubRam]

God is not a man

God is not a man: In Numbers 23:16; "God is not a man..." defies the possibility that Yahshua The Messiah is God. The text states that: Yahwah is not an ("iys / man) that He should lie, nor the son of (Adam / Man")...

Malachi 3:6
I (the LORD / Yahwah) do not change...

Hosea 11:9
I will not carry out my fierce anger, nor will I devastate Ephraim again. For I am God, and not a man— the Holy One among you.

Psalm 80:17
Let your hand rest on the man at your right hand, the son of man you have raised up for yourself.

Matthew 26:64
"Yes, it is as you say," Yahshua replied. "But I say to all of you: In the future you will see the Son of Man sitting at the right hand of the Mighty One and coming on the clouds of heaven."

Matthew 22:41
41While the Pharisees were gathered together, Yahshua asked them, 42"What do you think about the Messiah ? Whose son is he?" "The son of David," they replied. 43He said to them, "How is it then that David, speaking by the Spirit, calls him 'lord'? For he says, 44" ('The Lord / Yahwah) said to my lord: "Sit at my right hand until I put your enemies under your feet." 45If then David calls him 'lord,' how can he be his son?"



Matthew 1:1
[ The Genealogy of Yahshua the Messiah ] This is the genealogy of Yahshua the Messiah the son of David, the son of Abraham:

Matthew 1:20
But after he had considered this, an (angel/ messenger) of (the Lord / Yahwah) appeared to him in a dream and said, “Joseph son of David, do not be afraid to take Mary home as your wife, because what is conceived in her is from the Holy Spirit.

Luke 1:27
to a virgin pledged to be married to a man named Joseph, a descendant of David.

John 10:36
what about the one whom the Father set apart as his very own and sent into the world? Why then do you accuse me of blasphemy because I said, ‘I am God’s Son’?

John 13:16
Very truly I tell you, no servant is greater than his master, nor is a messenger greater than the one who sent him.

John 14:28
“You heard me say, ‘I am going away and I am coming back to you.’ If you loved me, you would be glad that I am going to the Father, for the Father is greater than I.

Philippians 2:5-7
5 Let this mind be in you, which was also in Messiah Yahshua: 6 Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God: 7 But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:

That word "equal" could be translated in other words, such as, "equated," or "counted," or "equality."And the word robbery can translate as obtainable. If Yahshua states that "The Father is greater than I" and refers to his Father in prayer as "You, the only true God," in (John 17:3.) It's kind of obvious that he's not equal to the one who sent him. "God exalted him," he did not exalt himself !

Here is an alternate reading of Philippians 2:6. Who being in the form of God did not think equality with God as obtainable. God is the name of no one because it is a title. There are many gods, real, or imagined. Scholars insert the article "a" whenever they think it should apply. God, or, a god. All of the sons of God are gods because they have life immortal. Yahshua said he was a son of God, so therefore he was a god. Nowhere in scripture does Yahshua ever say he is the Father or Holy Spirit, whom the Father is the Holy Spirit. Holy Spirit also being a name title and not a personal name. Yahwah informs us of only one personal name for Himself, and that name is Yahwah.

Yahwah reveals His name to Moses
Exodus 3:13-15.
13 And Moses said to Elohiym, “Suppose I go to the siblings of the Israelites and say to them, 'The Elohiym of your forefathers has sent me to you,' and they ask me, 'What is His name?' What shall I say to them?”
14 And Elohiym said to Moses, “The Living that Lives. This is what you are to say to the Israelites: 'The Living has sent me to you.”
15 And Elohiym also said to Moses, “Say to the Israelites, 'Yahwah, the Elohiym of your forefathers; the Elohiym of Abraham, the Elohiym of Isaac and the Elohiym of Jacob has sent me to you. That is my name forever, the name by which I am to be remembered, from generation to generation.”

 

[CherubRam]

There is only One God.

Trinitarianism has never been a belief in Judaism.


Joshua 22:22
“The One Mighty God, Yahwah! The One Mighty God, Yahwah! He knows! And let Israel know! If this has been in rebellion or disobedience to Yahwah, do not spare us this day.

2 Kings 19:15
And Hezekiah prayed to the Lord: “Lord, the God of Israel, enthroned between the cherubim, you alone are God over all the kingdoms of the earth. You have made heaven and earth.

2 Kings 19:19
Now, Lord our God, deliver us from his hand, so that all the kingdoms of the earth may know that you alone, Lord, are God.”

Nehemiah 9:6
You alone are Yahwah. You made the heavens, even the highest heavens, and all their starry host, the earth and all that is on it, the seas and all that is in them. You give life to everything, and the multitudes of heaven worship you.

Psalm 50:1
A psalm of Asaph. The One Mighty God, Yahwah, speaks and summons the earth from the rising of the sun to where it sets.

Psalm 83:18
Let them know that you, whose name is Yahwah— that you alone are the Most High over all the earth.

Psalm 86:10
For you are great and do marvelous deeds; you alone are God.

Malachi 2:10
Do we not all have one Father ? Did not one God create us? Why do we profane the covenant of our ancestors by being unfaithful to one another?

Malachi 2:15
Has not the one God made you? You belong to him in body and spirit. And what does the one God seek? Godly offspring. So be on your guard, and do not be unfaithful to the wife of your youth.

Romans 3:30
since there is only one God, who will justify the circumcised by faith and the uncircumcised through that same faith.

1 Corinthians 8:6
yet for us there is but one God, the Father, from whom all things came and for whom we live; and there is but one Lord, Messiah Yashua, for whom all things came and through whom we live.

Ephesians 4:6
one God and Father of all, who is over all, and through all, and in all.

1 Timothy 2:5
For there is one God, and one mediator between God and mankind, the man Messiah Yashua,…

James 2:19
You believe that there is one God. Good! Even the demons believe that—and shudder.

Revelation 15:4
Who will not fear you, Lord, and bring glory to your name? For you alone are holy.[/quote]


God says that He is the only one and that there are no others. If Trinitarianism is the truth, then why does God not know He is a Trinity.

Only Yahwah is God

Exodus 20:3. "You shall have no other [gods / elohiyms] before me.

Deuteronomy 4:35. You were shown these things so that you might know that [the LORD / Yahwah] is [God / Elohiym]; besides Him there is no other.

Deuteronomy 4:39. Acknowledge and take to heart this day that [the LORD / Yahwah] is [God / Elohiym] in heaven above and on the earth below. There is no other.

Deuteronomy 5:7. "You shall have no other [gods / elohiyms] before me.

Deuteronomy 6:4. Hear, O Israel: [The Lord / Yahwah] our [God / Elohiym], [the LORD / Yahwah] is [one / only.]

1 Kings 8:60. So that all the peoples of the earth may know that [the LORD /Yahwah] is [God / Elohiym] and that there is no other.

Isaiah 42:8. "I am [the LORD / Yahwah]; that is my name! I will not give my glory to another, or my praise to idols.

Isaiah 43:10. "You are my witnesses," declares the LORD (Yahwah), "and my servant whom I have chosen, so that you may know and believe me and understand that I am He. Before me no [god / God] (el / El) was formed, nor will there be one after me.

Isaiah 44:8. Do not tremble, do not be afraid. Did I not proclaim this and foretell it long ago? You are my witnesses. Is there any [Eloah / God above] besides me? No, there is no other Rock; I know not one."
If there is no other Rock, then Peter is not the foundation of the congregation that Yahshua was speaking of. There are many places in scripture where Yahwah is called the Rock. The disciples would have been well aware of that fact.

Matthew 16:18. 18And I tell you that you are Peter, [and / but] on [this / that] Rock I will build...

Isaiah 45:5. I am [the LORD / Yahwah], and there is no other; apart from me there is no [God / Elohiym].

6. so that from the rising of the sun to the place of its setting men may know there is none besides me. I am [the LORD / Yahwah], and there is no other.

Isaiah 45:14. This is what [the LORD / Yahwah] says: "The products of Egypt and the merchandise of Cush, and those tall Sabeans— they will come over to you and will be yours; they will trudge behind you, coming over to you in chains. They will bow down before you and plead with you, saying, 'Surely [God / El] is with you, and there is no other; there is no other [god / God (Elohiym).' "

Isaiah 45:18. For this is what [the LORD / Yahwah] says: He who created the heavens, He is [God / Elohiym]; He who fashioned and made the earth, He founded it; He did not create it to be empty, but formed it to be inhabited: He says: "I am [the LORD / Yahwah], and there is no other.
Since Yahwah created the world to be inhabited and not empty, that means there will be people living on Earth during the thousand year reign of Christ.

Isaiah 45:22. "Turn to me and be saved, all you ends of the earth; for I am [God / El], and there is no other.

Isaiah 46:9. Remember the former things, those of long ago; I am [God / El], and there is no other; I am [God / Elohiym], and there is none like me.

Joel 2:27. Then you will know that I am in Israel, that I am [the LORD / Yahwah] your [God / Elohiym], and that there is no other; never again will my people be shamed.

The Greatest Commandment

Mark 12:28. One of the teachers of the law came and heard them debating. Noticing that Jesus (Yahshua) had given them a good answer, he asked him, "Of all the commandments, which is the most important?"
29"The most important one," answered Jesus (Yahshua), "is this: 'Hear, O Israel, [the Lord / Yahwah] our [God / Elohiym], [the Lord / Yahwah] is [one (only).

Mark 12:32. "Well said, teacher," the man replied. "You are right in saying that [God / Yahwah],is [one (only) and there is no other but Him.

John 14:28. "You heard me say, 'I am going away and I am coming back to you.' If you love me, you would be glad that I am going to the Father, for the Father is greater than I.

Yahshua says the Father is greater than him. That would mean that they are not equally the same.
The correct spelling and pronouncing of God's name as Yahwah, is based on the fact that the Proto-Semitic did not use the letter “e” as a vowel. Yahwah is the trans-literal into English. Yahuah is pronounced the same as Yahwah, and it is the same name.

 

[Near]

If there is no other Rock, then Peter is not the foundation of the congregation that Yahshua was speaking of. There are many places in scripture where Yahwah is called the Rock. The disciples would have been well aware of that fact.

Christ is also called the Rock:

1 Cor 10:4 and all drank the same spiritual drink, for they were drinking from a spiritual rock which followed them; and the rock was Christ.

So, is Christ, another Rock, or one Rock with the Father?

Just as he is one Savior with the Father, and one Lord with the Father?

 

[Near]

Isaiah 42:8. "I am [the LORD / Yahwah]; that is my name! I will not give my glory to another, or my praise to idols.

"Now, Father, glorify Me together with Yourself, with the glory which I had with You before the world was.
(John 17:5)

So, do you think the Father would glorify Jesus together with himself, with the glory which he had with the Father before the world was?

Or do you think he'd say, "nah"?

 

[Colter]

God is One as a unified reality. The Universal Father is one with all subordinate deities.

14 Let not your heart be troubled: ye believe in God, believe also in me........


8 Philip saith unto him, Lord, show us the Father, and it sufficeth us.

9 Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Show us the Father?

10 Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works.


The Universal Father "dwells" in all of his subordinate Sons or deities if you prefer.