Trinitarianism: What Non-Trinitarians Believe

[Imagican]

I would offer, in MY OPINION, that to make Jesus God is to create a 'man made god'.

Jesus was perfectly CLEAR in stating WHO He was/IS: The SON of God. Not the Son that IS God. Not God THE Son. But clearly without dispute: The Son of God. God is His Father. So when Christ speaks of either God or His Father He is speaking of the same entity.

And He clearly offered that HE IS NOT "THE WORD". But rather, the representative OF God's Word. He states, without dispute, that the words He offered WERE NOT HIS OWN, but given Him OF HIS FATHER: God. The words that He offered WERE God's Word. But they were NOT HIS OWN. He states that without dispute.

So for Christ to BE God, then the words He offered WOULD have BEEN HIS OWN. Yet He distinctly offers that they WERE NOT His OWN. They BELONGED to His Father: GOD.

But we DO KNOW this: the Babylonians, the Egyptians, the Assyrians, the Greeks and the Romans ALL worshiped MULTI PART gods. The Romans themselves, (the elite), worshiped a multi part god named Mithra that was so closely associated with Christ that it is most likely the CAUSE of the 'creation' of 'trinity': three persons in ONE God.

But the obviousness is that God revealed Himself to the Hebrews/Jews as ONE GOD. No OTHER Gods BESIDE HIM. A SINGULAR entity like NO OTHER.

Yet the 'trinitarian god' of Rome was JUST like previous multi part gods that they worshiped BEFORE their introduction to Christ.

For those that have 'bought in to trinitarianism', please explain why the apostles KNEW NO 'trinitarian' god. Explain WHY it took almost FOUR hundred years AFTER the death of Christ to have 'trinity' REVEALED to THEM. And WHY 'trinity' was revealed to those that actually KILLED Christ instead of His beloved APOSTLES?

And if you try to argue that 'trinity' WAS revealed to or taught by the apostles, then explain to us WHY the word 'trinity' doesn't even exist in the Bible? If it is SUCH an important 'thing' for followers to BELIEVE, why didn't Christ offer it? Or His apostles? Why WAIT for over three hundred years AFTER the death of God's Son to reveal that God's Son was GOD HIMSELF?

And how does GOD send HIMSELF anywhere? For Christ plainly stated that He was SENT by God. Explain exactly HOW God SENT HIMSELF to become flesh.

God abhors the flesh. The flesh cannot even be in the presence of God without being destroyed. So how does on SUPPOSE that God TOOK ON THE FLESH which He DETESTS? An application from a Biblical stance that may not even be a possibility. In other words, if one reads what is offered IN the Bible, it may well be IMPOSSIBLE for God to TOUCH the flesh, much less to TAKE ON the flesh as the Catholics have taught.

Another question: what would be the purpose of Satan TEMPTING God by offering GOD the nations of this world? What would be the purpose of TEMPTING God to turn a rock into a loaf of bread. And what would be the PURPOSE of Satan tempting God to send His angels to PROTECT GOD? Each of these ideas is preposterous. Ridiculous to the point of being LUDICROUS.

Fully God/Fully man? Another mythological creation of the ROMAN Catholic church. there is NO SUCH OFFERING in the Word. Only when individual LINES are take out of context can one CREATE such a MYTH.

Jesus was FULLY the Son of God/Fully Son of Man. THAT is what the Bible tells us. Even as a child when He was found expounding upon God's Word in the Temple, when asked WHY He had not joined his parents upon heading home, He responded with, "Didn't you KNOW I would be about my FATHER'S business?" Even THEN He plainly admonished the FACT that He was GOD'S SON, not God Himself.

"My God, my God why hath thou forsaken ME?" Can God truly forsake a PART of Himself and STILL BE GOD?

Matthew 27:46
And about the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani? that is to say, My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?

Ridiculous supposition. The words are as clear as they could be. In order for His Son to die for the sins of this world, God was FORCED to abandon Him EVEN IN SPIRIT so as to make it possible to be accomplished.

And a question that COMPLETELY destroys any semblance of the possibility of 'trinity': Did Jesus Christ, the ONLY Begotten Son of God DIE upon the cross? If so, that PLAINLY proves that He was NOT GOD HIMSELF. For God is IMMORTAL and CANNOT DIE. The best that 'trinitarians' can DO is try and convince others that Christ was fully God/fully man and at the point that He died He was merely FULLY MAN.

But if Christ WAS Fully God/Fully man, WHEN was He BOTH? When it serves 'trinity' to say so? For if He was TRULY 'fully God/fully man, then He would have been fully God and fully man ALWAYS. But 'trinity' would insist that He was able to turn it on and off like a switch. Fully God one moment and then fully man the next.

I contend that if the Spirit of God abandoned Jesus for ONE SECOND then 'trinity' doesn't even live up to it's own definition of the EQUALITY shared by both Father and Son. For to be CO-anything, it must BE 'CO'. Not ONE thing one moment and another the next. Either Christ IS co-everything 'trinity' insists, or He is NOT. It is MY contention that HE IS NOT. NEVER CLAIMS to be. He is OBEDIENT to the Father: God, ALWAYS.

Blessings,

MEC

 

[Imagican]

The word nephilim is not a name title, and it should have been translated as the "fallen ones." It is referring to those who have fallen spiritually and are in moral decline.

Luke 3:38. ...the son of Enosh, the son of Seth, the son of Adam, the son of God.

Genesis 6:2.
the sons of God saw that the daughters of [humans / men] were beautiful, and they married any of them they chose.

Genesis 6:4.
The Nephilim [fallen ones] were on the earth in those days—and also afterward—when the sons of God went to the daughters of [humans / men] and had children by them. They were the heroes of old, men of renown...

Psalm 82:6.
“I said, ‘You are “gods”; you are all sons of the Most High.’

John 10:34.
Jesus answered them, “Is it not written in your Law, ‘I have said you are “gods”’ ? 35 If he called them ‘gods,’ to whom the word of God came—and Scripture cannot be set aside — 36 what about the one whom the Father set apart as his very own and sent into the world? Why then do you accuse me of blasphemy because I said, ‘I am God’s Son’?

The Bible PLAINLY describes TWO separate creations. The first creation that took place on the sixth day and the second creation: Adam.

ALL indications are that the Sons of God, (descendants of Adam), and the daughters of men, (the females of the first creation), began to intermingle with CAIN. And it was THROUGH this very MINGLING of the 'blood' that brought about the state of man where 'his heart became EVIL continually', (by WHORING after OTHER gods. The gods that the first creation had created for themselves).

And we KNOW this is truth for it all comes down to Noah, a DIRECT descendant of Adam and Eve. A man described as one who 'walked with God', was a JUST man, and PERFECT IN HIS GENERATIONS. Meaning that NO ONE between Adam and his father, Lamech, had gone OUTSIDE of their bloodline by MATING with the FIRST creation.

And this also explains why there was NO REASON for a WORLD WIDE flood. But a localized flood designed to destroy ALL that had gone OUTSIDE their bloodlines. In the small amount of time between Adam and Lamech there would have been little chance of men spreading out for more than a thousand miles or so. So a flood that covered a couple of thousand miles in diameter would have been ENOUGH to accomplish God's goal: destroy ALL that had gone outside their bloodlines. God had NOTHING AGAINST the first creation. What He became upset with was the SECOND creation, (descendants of Adam), going OUTSIDE their bloodline with the FIRST creation, (those created on the sixth day in the FIRST chapter of Genesis).

I know, I know, this isn't what the 'churches' TEACH. Very little of the TRUTH contained within God's Word IS taught in the 'churches'. For the 'churches' that exist NOW are little more than Catholic offshoots. And you do remember what the Catholics believed BEFORE science came along and proved them WRONG on about almost EVERYTHING they taught BEFORE having ANY true knowledge? You know, the earth is the center of the universe. The earth is FLAT. These bits of NON SENSE that the 'church' insisted were true to the point that they locked up those that PROVED them wrong.

It is no different with the IDEA that Adam was the FIRST MAN. He WAS the FIRST MAN whom God breathed the 'breath of life' into and turned into a LIVING SOUL. The indication is that this did NOT take place with the first creation. The first creation would have been MORE like animals than the MAN that Adam represented.

And doesn't this go along with ALL that we have so far discovered so far as ancient man. That once men were much more like animals than the man he has become today. You know, the Neanderthals and Cro-magnons?

Once again, I KNOW, I KNOW, you have been TAUGHT to believe in a fairy tale and the TRUTH is now hard to imagine much less accept. You believe in an earth that is only a few thousand years old even after being told that a day to God is LIKE 1.000 years to US.

2 Peter 3:8
But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.

And note how Peter opens the conversation: BE NOT IGNORANT of this ONE THING:

Yet how many CHOOSE to remain IGNORANT of this very principle? That 'creation itself' could have taken MILLIONS of years. For if ONE DAY can be like 1000 years with God, so TOO could one day to God be like a BILLION years to US. The number represents a PRINCIPLE, not an exact description.

Blessings,

MEC

 

[Gibs]

[FONT=&quot]Do you have Jesus himself in you?[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]You cannot have it both ways. You said that the scripture is speaking of God coming from heaven. Jesus IS GOD. The scriptures SAY the SON OF MAN CAME FROM HEAVEN. We know God came from heaven. Again, the scriptures say the Son of Man came from heaven.[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]You are saying the opposite of what the scripture says.[/FONT]
John 17:5 And now, Father, glorify me in your presence with the glory I had with you before the world began.
Jesus is speaking to the Father about the glory HE JESUS had with the Father before the world begun.
You are NOT dealing with the scriptures.
The Son of MAN came from heaven. JESUS had glory with God BEFORE the world began.
[FONT=&quot]The scriptures that say the Son of Man came from heaven do not make sense with your explanation. You say God is speaking about Himself. How does it make sense to say the scriptures mean that God in Jesus came from heaven? We know that God comes from heaven. You are not saying what the scriptures say, you should instead be saying what the scriptures say, and that is that the Son came from heaven.[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]Are you saying anything now? Why would you say no man was born of woman in heaven?[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Who said Jesus was born in heaven by a woman? [/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]God came as a MAN. How do you ever get he could not be tempted as we are?[/FONT]

Because except for Adam and Eve man is a born entity from the linage of our first parents, we are the posterity of Adam and Eve and so was Jesus the Son of Man and God made of a woman, Mary was her name.

Ga 4:4 But when the fulness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law,

No, no, Christ was not made in Heaven, that happened here on earth in Mary's womb!

The scripture you love to use merely is telling us of the Deity that was made in perfect union with Him in the fullness of time! So it can speak of Him as coming from heaven and for sure Yahweh of Hosts sure was as that is our Father's Redeemer given to us to become our Redeemer in Christ Jesus!

This union was not made until at least until He, Jesus was conceived in Mary by God, the Holy Spirit or Ghost. You need to get real!

You can't see through the forest for the trees, but you can see some of the forest as it is made up of the trees.

Who on earth do you imagine was born of Mary, made of woman as that is exactly what she was.

Yes it had to be that Jesus inherit our fallen natures or He could not be tempted as we are. Do you not know this is why we must be born again of His Spirit and a death made of the old man or woman now being born a new creature in Him after His Spirit and then we still have to battle not allowing the old man to be resurrected. We must continually keep Him as the sole, soul Master in the soul temple and we then can overcome all, yes our sinning.

Yes dear ones, there is but one Jesus Christ the man and He was born and raised right here on this earth by Mary and Joseph and at the age of reasoning He ups and tells His Parents that He must be about His father's business and Yes our Father dwelt in Him in ALL fullness without measure and so truly He was God our Father with us.

Col 2:9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead

Paraphrased, "He was fully God in a body!" Yes the Man Jesus Christ!

 

[Gibs]

Do non-trinitarians believe that Gen. 6 teaching that is popular now. How alians or demons
have the ability to have babies with humans? Weird beyond belief! This morning one of my fav tv preachers got mired in this. It is so sad to see. When the gospel is our task, not finding weird stuff to tickle the ears.
I have heard this from trinitarians and hope it stops with them.

Norah63, I don't think it matters whether Trinitarians or non Trinitarians matters of how one takes Gen 6: and it spells it pretty clear does it not?

I will post one verse and the question from it stems from the word "sons" and then the Hebrew for "sons',

Ge 6:4 ¶ There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.

"Sons" is,
1121. ben

Nb ben bane
from 1129; a son (as a builder of the family name), in the widest sense (of literal and figurative relationship, including grandson, subject, nation, quality or condition, etc., (like 1, 251, etc.)):--+ afflicted, age, (Ahoh-) (Ammon-) (Hachmon-) (Lev-)ite, (anoint-)ed one, appointed to, (+) arrow, (Assyr-) (Babylon-) (Egypt-) (Grec-)ian, one born, bough, branch, breed, + (young) bullock, + (young) calf, X came up in, child, colt, X common, X corn, daughter, X of first, + firstborn, foal, + very fruitful, + postage, X in, + kid, + lamb, (+) man, meet, + mighty, + nephew, old, (+) people, + rebel, + robber, X servant born, X soldier, son, + spark, + steward, + stranger, X surely, them of, + tumultuous one, + valiant(-est), whelp, worthy, young (one), youth.

See Hebrew 1129

People get futher meanings from other writings and I once was on a forum where the operator of it made a big thing of it, that it is the "watchers" that did the mating with men.

I say let us allow the Lord God in His time to clear up this mystery.

 

[THIS]

The word nephilim is not a name title, and it should have been translated as the "fallen ones." It is referring to those who have fallen spiritually and are in moral decline.

Luke 3:38. ...the son of Enosh, the son of Seth, the son of Adam, the son of God.

Genesis 6:2.
the sons of God saw that the daughters of [humans / men] were beautiful, and they married any of them they chose.

Genesis 6:4.
The Nephilim [fallen ones] were on the earth in those days—and also afterward—when the sons of God went to the daughters of [humans / men] and had children by them. They were the heroes of old, men of renown...

Psalm 82:6.
“I said, ‘You are “gods”; you are all sons of the Most High.’

John 10:34.
Jesus answered them, “Is it not written in your Law, ‘I have said you are “gods”’ ? 35 If he called them ‘gods,’ to whom the word of God came—and Scripture cannot be set aside — 36 what about the one whom the Father set apart as his very own and sent into the world? Why then do you accuse me of blasphemy because I said, ‘I am God’s Son’?

How would that cause their offspring to be giants...if they were just sinful men going with righteous daughter?

 

[2ducklow]

Americans might be called giants by Asians since Asians are usually smaller than americans. Or perhaps giants refers to something other than physical size.

IN the field of medicine he was considered a giant. would anyone take that to mean doctor who was 10 foot tall?

 

[THIS]

Because except for Adam and Eve man is a born entity from the linage of our first parents, we are the posterity of Adam and Eve and so was Jesus the Son of Man and God made of a woman, Mary was her name.

The Holy Spirit, not a man, conceived Jesus.

Ga 4:4 But when the fulness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law,

No, no, Christ was not made in Heaven, that happened here on earth in Mary's womb!

How do you ever get that Jesus having a body created for him in Mary’s womb means that he did not come from heaven? Not only that---the BIBLE SAYS HE CAME FROM HEAVEN. The Bible does not just say the Spirit of God in him came from heaven, the Bible says the Son of MAN came from heaven.

The scripture you love to use merely is telling us of the Deity that was made in perfect union with Him in the fullness of time! So it can speak of Him as coming from heaven and for sure Yahweh of Hosts sure was as that is our Father's Redeemer given to us to become our Redeemer in Christ Jesus!

I say WHAT THE BIBLE SAYS, and that is that the Son of MAN came from heaven. Say what the scriptures say.

This union was not made until at least until He, Jesus was conceived in Mary by God, the Holy Spirit or Ghost. You need to get real!

You need to say what the scriptures say. JUST SAY WHAT THE SCRIPTURES SAY.
The scriptures say JESUS THE SON OF MAN came from heaven.
You say no, that it is NOT about Jesus, but that it is not about the SON OF MAN, but that it is about the other Spirit inside him.
Which leads me to ask AGAIN, is Jesus HIMSELF living inside you?

You can't see through the forest for the trees, but you can see some of the forest as it is made up of the trees.

Who on earth do you imagine was born of Mary, made of woman as that is exactly what she was.

Yes it had to be that Jesus inherit our fallen natures or He could not be tempted as we are. Do you not know this is why we must be born again of His Spirit and a death made of the old man or woman now being born a new creature in Him after His Spirit and then we still have to battle not allowing the old man to be resurrected.

What don’t you get about the fact that Jesus NEVER SINNED? The scriptures say Jesus was without sin. You say he was just a man.

We must continually keep Him as the sole, soul Master in the soul temple and we then can overcome all, yes our sinning.

Yes dear ones, there is but one Jesus Christ the man and He was born and raised right here on this earth by Mary and Joseph and at the age of reasoning He ups and tells His Parents that He must be about His father's business and Yes our Father dwelt in Him in ALL fullness without measure and so truly He was God our Father with us.

Col 2:9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead

Paraphrased, "He was fully God in a body!" Yes the Man Jesus Christ!

Jesus’ SPIRIT was and is the HOLY SPIRIT.
Why do you evade my question about which Spirit is living inside you?

 

[THIS]

Americans might be called giants by Asians since Asians are usually smaller than americans. Or perhaps giants refers to something other than physical size.

IN the field of medicine he was considered a giant. would anyone take that to mean doctor who was 10 foot tall?

Again, why would unrighteous men mating with righteous women cause giants?

King James 2000 Bible
Numbers 13:33 And there we saw the giants, the sons of Anak, who come of the giants: and we were in our own sight as grasshoppers, and so we were in their sight.

Deuteronomy 1:28
Where can we go? Our brothers have made our hearts melt in fear. They say, 'The people are stronger and taller than we are; the cities are large, with walls up to the sky. We even saw the Anakites there.'"

Deuteronomy 9:2
The people are strong and tall--Anakites! You know about them and have heard it said: "Who can stand up against the Anakites?"

 

[Norah63]

Good explaination ducklow, men of renown are giants in their field. Not just in stature.
Even if they were, we still have some giants in size in our time, they certainly are not evil, just because of their size.
Godly men are not suppose to take wives from ungodly peoples. All of the old and new testaments
warn us of that. Be not unequally yoked.
In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth, that is our world to proclaim the gospel in.

 

[Gibs]

The Holy Spirit, not a man, conceived Jesus.

How do you ever get that Jesus having a body created for him in Mary’s womb means that he did not come from heaven? Not only that---the BIBLE SAYS HE CAME FROM HEAVEN. The Bible does not just say the Spirit of God in him came from heaven, the Bible says the Son of MAN came from heaven.

I say WHAT THE BIBLE SAYS, and that is that the Son of MAN came from heaven. Say what the scriptures say.

You need to say what the scriptures say. JUST SAY WHAT THE SCRIPTURES SAY.
The scriptures say JESUS THE SON OF MAN came from heaven.
You say no, that it is NOT about Jesus, but that it is not about the SON OF MAN, but that it is about the other Spirit inside him.
Which leads me to ask AGAIN, is Jesus HIMSELF living inside you?

What don’t you get about the fact that Jesus NEVER SINNED? The scriptures say Jesus was without sin. You say he was just a man.

Jesus’ SPIRIT was and is the HOLY SPIRIT.
Why do you evade my question about which Spirit is living inside you?

Of course we all know that Jesus never sinned, He was tempted as we are but without sin.

Heb 4:15 For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin. For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin.

He was made like as we that He could be tempted.

ON getting you to see that Jesus Christ was not made in Heaven, I see you just will not when it's a fact that He was made in woman, Mary on this earth.

Now I will tell you this, you may as well forget trying to get me to believe a man was made in heaven.

He was of the seed of David and the linage is of Mary not Joseph.

Only angels are the only created entities in Heaven except now some of men have been taken and Jesus Christ was a man of the posterity clear back to Adam.

What makes Him God is the perfect union with Yahweh of Hosts and the time comes and it cannot be denied that Yahweh of Hosts is returned unto the Father that He once again can be ALL IN ALL, ah yes after so long.

Soak it in,

1Co 15:24 Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.
1Co 15:25 For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet.
1Co 15:26 The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.
1Co 15:27 For he hath put all things under his feet. But when he saith, all things are put under him, it is manifest that he is excepted, which did put all things under him.
1Co 15:27 And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, THAT GOD MAY BE ALL IN ALL.

He has not been ALL IN ALL since He sent out of Himself His Redeemer, Yahweh of Hosts. Now when the sin and rebellion are taken care of for all eternity future no Redeemer is ever to be needed again.

Jesus Christ is truly and fully God as long as Yahweh of Hosts dwells in Him in all fullness without mesure!

On my spirit dwelling in me, that is from God and now He too dwells in me and is the Comforter known also as the Spirit of Truth.

Now God is a Spirit, Joh 4:24 and you must know He also has a personal Presence of which we would be consumed in an instant at it. However His Spirit is in all,

Eph 4:4 There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling;
Eph 4:5 One Lord, one faith, one baptism,
Eph 4:6 One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.

Tell me who you see was this made of woman, here on this earth?
Ga 4:4 But when the fulness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law,

It is a fact that Yahweh of Hosts came in Jesus Christ at conception as Jesus was not until then. We can't have Him any sooner than He is conceived, even though we can't see Him yet, that is as soon as we can, although unless as God we could see through the womb.

 

[THIS]

Good explaination ducklow, men of renown are giants in their field. Not just in stature.
Even if they were, we still have some giants in size in our time, they certainly are not evil, just because of their size.
Godly men are not suppose to take wives from ungodly peoples. All of the old and new testaments
warn us of that. Be not unequally yoked.
In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth, that is our world to proclaim the gospel in.

You have not shown why unrighteous men mating with righteous women should make giant children.

 

[THIS]

Of course we all know that Jesus never sinned, He was tempted as we are but without sin.
He was made like as we that He could be tempted.

Have you forgotten what I said that in response to? You said Jesus was a mere man who became indwelt with the Holy Spirit, and then became God by being indwelt with the Holy Spirit.
Jesus did NOT sin before he was baptized with the Holy Spirit with power.
Jesus’ spirit IS the Holy Spirit.

ON getting you to see that Jesus Christ was not made in Heaven, I see you just will not when it's a fact that He was made in woman, Mary on this earth.

Jesus’ EARTHLY body was made from GOD and an earthly woman.
What don’t you get about the Son of MAN coming from heaven?
The scriptures say the Son of Man came from heaven.
So then, that is what I say.
You however, do not want to say what the Bible says, and you want me not to say it either.

Now I will tell you this, you may as well forget trying to get me to believe a man was made in heaven.

Jesus existed with God BEFORE coming to earth.
THAT is what the scriptures tell us.
At no time did I say a man of mortal flesh was made in heaven.
You should try harder to say what is said, and not say things as if I said them but did not.

He was of the seed of David and the linage is of Mary not Joseph.

Jesus is not biologically related to Joseph.

Only angels are the only created entities in Heaven except now some of men have been taken and Jesus Christ was a man of the posterity clear back to Adam.

I am not sure what you are saying here.
As for Jesus, God created HIMSELF a physical body before the creation of anything.
Jesus is the first born over all creation, and then everything was made through him, for him, and by him.
Jesus was in heaven with the Spiritual body of the Man Jesus. God made the plan for salvation to be through Jesus, even before the creation of the world. Do you really think that Jesus just came along centuries later? No, Jesus is God and existed as God in a Spiritual body before coming to earth in a flesh mortal body.

 

[THIS]

Gibs,

Why won't you answer me? Is Jesus himself living inside you or not?

 

[Norah63]

Sons of God are righteous. Daughters of men are just beautiful sometimes, it doesnt say they are righteous. Why did you think they were?
I love the scriptures also!

 

[THIS]

Sons of God are righteous. Daughters of men are just beautiful sometimes, it doesnt say they are righteous. Why did you think they were?

Either way...whether righteous men mated with unrighteous women, or unrighteous men mating with righteous women. How does that make giants?

I love the scriptures also!

I am glad to hear. I hope that we will have many discussions about the scriptures.

 

[CherubRam]

How would that cause their offspring to be giants...if they were just sinful men going with righteous daughter?

"Giants" is a King James interpretation.

Giants / Nephilim
Genesis 6:4 (NIV)
4 The Nephilim were on the earth in those days—and also afterward—when the sons of God went to the daughters of humans and had children by them. They were the heroes of old, men of renown.

Genesis 6:4 (KJ)
4 There were giants on the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men and they bore children to them, the same became mighty men who were of old, men of renown.




All who will inherit life immortal will be gods.

Psalm 82:6 “I said, ‘You are “gods”; you are all sons of the Most High.’ 7 But you will die like mere mortals; you will fall like every other ruler.”

Genesis 6:2
the sons of God saw that the daughters of men were beautiful, and they took any they chose as wives for themselves.

Genesis 6:4
The Nephilim were on the earth both in those days and afterwards, when the sons of God came to the daughters of men, and who bore children to them. They were powerful men of old, men of renown.

Nephilim translated means "Fallen ones." They were [men] who were of a very low moral grade.

Job 1:6
One day the sons of God [men] came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan also came with them.

Job 2:1
One day the sons of God came again to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan also came with them to present himself before the LORD.

Job 38:7
while the morning stars sang together and all the sons of God shouted for joy?

Hos 1:10
“Yet the Israelites will be like the sand on the seashore, which cannot be measured or counted. In the place where it was said to them, ‘You are not my people,’ they will be called ‘sons of the living God.’

Matthew 5:9
Blessed are the peacemakers, because they will be called sons of God.

Luke 20:36
For they cannot die anymore, because they are like [angels/messengers] and are sons of God, since they are sons of the resurrection.

Galatians 3:26
for you are all sons of God through faith in Messiah Yashua.

Psalm 82:6
I said, "You are gods; you are all sons of the Most High.

Hosea 1:10
Yet the number of the children of Israel shall be as the sand of the sea, which cannot be measured nor numbered; and it shall come to pass, that in the place where it was said unto them, Ye are not my people, there it shall be said unto them, Ye are the sons of the living God.

John 1:12
But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:

Romans 8:14
For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.

Romans 8:19
For the earnest expectation of the creature waiteth for the manifestation of the sons of God.

Galatians 4:6
And because ye are sons, God hath sent forth the Spirit of his Son into your hearts, crying, Abba, Father.

Philippians 2:15
That ye may be blameless and harmless, the sons of God, without rebuke, in the midst of a crooked and perverse nation, among whom ye shine as lights in the world;

1 John 3:1
Behold, what manner of love the Father hath bestowed upon us, that we should be called the sons of God: therefore the world knoweth us not, because it knew him not.

1 John 3:2
Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.

 

[THIS]

"Giants" is a King James interpretation.

Giants / Nephilim
Genesis 6:4 (NIV)
4 The Nephilim were on the earth in those days—and also afterward—when the sons of God went to the daughters of humans and had children by them. They were the heroes of old, men of renown.

Genesis 6:4 (KJ)
4 There were giants on the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men and they bore children to them, the same became mighty men who were of old, men of renown.




All who will inherit life immortal will be gods.

Psalm 82:6 “I said, ‘You are “gods”; you are all sons of the Most High.’ 7 But you will die like mere mortals; you will fall like every other ruler.”

Genesis 6:2
the sons of God saw that the daughters of men were beautiful, and they took any they chose as wives for themselves.

Genesis 6:4
The Nephilim were on the earth both in those days and afterwards, when the sons of God came to the daughters of men, and who bore children to them. They were powerful men of old, men of renown.

Nephilim translated means "Fallen ones." They were [men] who were of a very low moral grade.

The scriptures says they they were giants, as in tall.


King James 2000 Bible
Numbers 13:33 And there we saw the giants, the sons of Anak, who come of the giants: and we were in our own sight as grasshoppers, and so we were in their sight.

Deuteronomy 1:28
Where can we go? Our brothers have made our hearts melt in fear. They say, 'The people are stronger and taller than we are; the cities are large, with walls up to the sky. We even saw the Anakites there.'"

Deuteronomy 9:2
The people are strong and tall--Anakites! You know about them and have heard it said: "Who can stand up against the Anakites?"


So tell me, how can unrighteous men make giant children?

 

[Norah63]

So then you see giants fighting grasshoppers? Thats funny!
This, do you still not see, men of renown?
Where does it say "tall"men?

 

[Gibs]

Gibs,

Why won't you answer me? Is Jesus himself living inside you or not?

This,

I did tell you once and won't again and will tell you this, only me and the LORD God know for sure and me telling you, would not make you know for sure.

This is the precious needed indwelling revealed in this verse and then none have no excuse to not know ALL truth and to know what is coming!

Joh 16:13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.

 

[THIS]

So then you see giants fighting grasshoppers? Thats funny!
This, do you still not see, men of renown?
Where does it say "tall"men?

King James 2000 Bible
Numbers 13:33 And there we saw the giants, the sons of Anak, who come of the giants: and we were in our own sight as grasshoppers, and so we were in their sight.

Deuteronomy 1:28
Where can we go? Our brothers have made our hearts melt in fear. They say, 'The people are stronger and taller than we are; the cities are large, with walls up to the sky. We even saw the Anakites there.'"

Deuteronomy 9:2
The people are strong and tall--Anakites! You know about them and have heard it said: "Who can stand up against the Anakites?"