Tribulation physics

[dad]

I quoted them in my post.

Gong.

Where does this boundary between near Earth space and outer space happen?

I don't know that there is one. One assumes that if time and space are different far away though, that some sort of change occurs. Now if time, for example changed as far as how it was mixed into the fabric of space far away, that could not be seen..but would have an effect. Many things may not be seen but have an effect. Science has merely taken the effects of what they admit is unseen and attributed it all to earth state physical only law causes.

How can you have areas with different physical laws? Do you experience a mixture of the laws if you are on the boundary?

Good questions. Almost makes one wish science did more than frolic in the fishbowl.

 

[dad]

So you start with an assumption - assume the Bible is true in every regard. There's your problem.

I disagree, it is the first step in any possible knowledge. But science isn't about knowing now is it?

You can't play chess with a pigeon.

Profound.

It just knocks the pieces over and poops on the board.

I'll take your word for it. So who won?

I'm playing chess, but since you have zero understanding of chess, you're just doing what the pigeon does. And pigeons always win at the "knock over the pieces and poop on the board" game, because the other guy isn't playing.

If you made a move within several hours the opponent might not mess with the imaginary board.

 

[Tiberius]

I disagree, it is the first step in any possible knowledge. But science isn't about knowing now is it?

The path to knowledge ends with knowing what is true or not. It does not begin with it.

Profound.

I'll take your word for it. So who won?

If you made a move within several hours the opponent might not mess with the imaginary board.

Tip: You're the pigeon.

 

[dad]

The path to knowledge ends with knowing what is true or not. It does not begin with it.

No.

Tip: You're the pigeon.

More than pigeons will gather for the great feast of God according to the bible. That is more evidence from the Scripture that the blase, present state as usual rules we now know are out the window. Fly the coop if you will.

We have already looked at thermodynamics being inapplicable. Every island moving and every mountain leveled, yet no killing heat, cause people are still on earth. We had the people unable too die, possibly indicating the new state arrived. As we enter the 1000 year reign immediately after the tribulation period, we know that the long lives are in effect. We also see the rapid decomposition of bodies after death at the final days of man. Eyes and flesh consuming away while ye on the feet. (reminiscent, possibly, of the pre present state world, where man could not fossilize)

We also see spirits directly among men on earth, good and bad at that time. We see that the stars and sun and moon go dark...lights out. Other things as well indicate that the laws in the Tribulation, according to God's word, will be different! In the case of the birds like eagles, that will help clean up the dead bodies in preparation for God's rule here, we see an angel calling to the birds, and when this happens, forget the usual built in migration instincts and etc!! They will all head for the middle east for the great feast. That likely will be easy, because with the reverse rapid continental movement, we will again have something like what they used to call Pangaea.


Would anyone care to stop clucking like a pigeon, and disagree with the fact that the Tribulation laws will be different according to the bible????


If so, detail the reasons, and if not, then I guess this is just another slam dunk wonderful thread that can gracefully and victoriously fade into the sunset...while we have a sun!

 

[Tiberius]

No.

Yes. You cannot start with your conclusion and then interpret things so as to fit your conclusion. Reality doesn't work that way.

More than pigeons will gather for the great feast of God according to the bible. That is more evidence from the Scripture that the blase, present state as usual rules we now know are out the window. Fly the coop if you will.

That is not evidence for ANYTHING.

We have already looked at thermodynamics being inapplicable. Every island moving and every mountain leveled, yet no killing heat, cause people are still on earth. We had the people unable too die, possibly indicating the new state arrived. As we enter the 1000 year reign immediately after the tribulation period, we know that the long lives are in effect. We also see the rapid decomposition of bodies after death at the final days of man. Eyes and flesh consuming away while ye on the feet. (reminiscent, possibly, of the pre present state world, where man could not fossilize)

Nope. You are just assuming that this must be the case because you refuse to let go of your belief that your conclusion must be correct.

We also see spirits directly among men on earth, good and bad at that time. We see that the stars and sun and moon go dark...lights out. Other things as well indicate that the laws in the Tribulation, according to God's word, will be different! In the case of the birds like eagles, that will help clean up the dead bodies in preparation for God's rule here, we see an angel calling to the birds, and when this happens, forget the usual built in migration instincts and etc!! They will all head for the middle east for the great feast. That likely will be easy, because with the reverse rapid continental movement, we will again have something like what they used to call Pangaea.

Ditto.

Would anyone care to stop clucking like a pigeon, and disagree with the fact that the Tribulation laws will be different according to the bible????

And the tribulation isn't going to happen, is it?

If so, detail the reasons, and if not, then I guess this is just another slam dunk wonderful thread that can gracefully and victoriously fade into the sunset...while we have a sun!

You make no sense at all.

 

[Tiberius]

Oh, here we go.

Phew! Universe's Constant Has Stayed Constanty | Proton-Electron Mass Ratio | Space.com

Of course, I fully expect dad to pipe up and claim it's a coincidence. But WHAT a coincidence!

 

[dad]

Yes. You cannot start with your conclusion and then interpret things so as to fit your conclusion. Reality doesn't work that way.

Then do not start out assuming a same state past!

That is not evidence for ANYTHING.

Yes it IS!!!!! It is evidence that the bible indicates a different state.

Nope. You are just assuming that this must be the case because you refuse to let go of your belief that your conclusion must be correct.

Nope...try to explain how it could happen under our laws!!!!!

And the tribulation isn't going to happen, is it?

Yes. More surely than the sun will rise and set.

 

[dad]

Oh, here we go.

Phew! Universe's Constant Has Stayed Constanty | Proton-Electron Mass Ratio | Space.com

Of course, I fully expect dad to pipe up and claim it's a coincidence. But WHAT a coincidence!

You first need space and time to be the same all the way to said star. Your claim depends on it.


"7 billion light-years away"


The reasons for this time claim are clear and simple and earth state based all the way.

 

[Tiberius]

Then do not start out assuming a same state past!

We don't. We CONCLUDE that the past was the same because all the evidence that we can gather supports that conclusion.

Yes it IS!!!!! It is evidence that the bible indicates a different state.

Let me rephrase: That is not evidence for anything in reality.

Nope...try to explain how it could happen under our laws!!!!!

I have no need to, because those things you describe did not and do not and will not happen.

Yes. More surely than the sun will rise and set.

People have been making this claim for more than about two thousand years now. Oh, the tribulation will happen soon! Any day now! All credibility for it has been lost. All that happens is that people predict it and then make up excuses for why it never happened.

 

[florida2]

Gong.


I don't know that there is one. One assumes that if time and space are different far away though, that some sort of change occurs. Now if time, for example changed as far as how it was mixed into the fabric of space far away, that could not be seen..but would have an effect. Many things may not be seen but have an effect. Science has merely taken the effects of what they admit is unseen and attributed it all to earth state physical only law causes.
Good questions. Almost makes one wish science did more than frolic in the fishbowl.

So you admit you don't have a clue about your claims. Glad to finally hear it.

 

[Tomk80]

If anyone needed any more evidence that dad is patently, utterly insane, his last posts should put all doubt to rest. Five exclamation marks, that basically diagnoses you for every available affliction in the DSM-IV right of the bat.

 

[AV1611VET]

If anyone needed any more evidence that dad is patently, utterly insane, his last posts should put all doubt to rest. Five exclamation marks, that basically diagnoses you for every available affliction in the DSM-IV right of the bat.

Sweet!

We get diagnosed as needing 'further examination' for less than that.

We get questions like:

1. Have you ever thought about dying?
2. Do you regularly talk to those you can't see?
3. Do you think you're being watched when you're alone?

Based on the answers, we can be held for 'further examination.'

 

[dad]

So you admit you don't have a clue about your claims. Glad to finally hear it.

I do not even have claims. I ask questions and probe what is known by men. That is where the cluelessness resides. God gave clues about space.

 

[dad]

If anyone needed any more evidence that dad is patently, utterly insane, his last posts should put all doubt to rest. Five exclamation marks, that basically diagnoses you for every available affliction in the DSM-IV right of the bat.

The mark of a sound mind is not the punctuation used. When punctuation upsets someone so, I tend to worry a little though. You also are not the judge of anyone, God is. Bang your little gavel and rant all you like.

 

[Mr Strawberry]

Sweet!

We get diagnosed as needing 'further examination' for less than that.

We get questions like:

1. Have you ever thought about dying?
2. Do you regularly talk to those you can't see?
3. Do you think you're being watched when you're alone?

Based on the answers, we can be held for 'further examination.'

Actually, there is usually a reason that someone is being examined in the first place. People aren't just plucked off the street for psychiatric evaluation, at least not in my country. People usually end up in front of a psychiatrist because their mental health is adversely affecting their quality of life, and it is usually at their own behest or that of their family and friends.

People can't be "held" unless they are perceived to be a threat to themselves or to others. I don't know what the situation is in your country, but simply being a religious fruitcake doesn't qualify for sectioning over here. We've always been very tolerant of eccentrics in Britain.

 

[Tiberius]

I do not even have claims. I ask questions and probe what is known by men. That is where the cluelessness resides. God gave clues about space.

And yet there is nothing that will convince you that science is right. That is the very definition of "closed-mindedness."

 

[dad]

And yet there is nothing that will convince you that science is right. That is the very definition of "closed-mindedness."

False. Nothing could convince me a lot of things are right, because they are weak and foolish and insignificant. That does not make one close minded. It makes one savvy. If you have some idea that science must be 'right' then you need to work on showing how. Those who have tried have failed. I like that.

 

[Tiberius]

I love this. You say my claim is false (that nothing will convince you that science is right) and then you go and completely agree with what I said. How is my claim false if you are agreeing with me?

Oh, and the reason that you claim that science hasn't been proven true is because it has, you just have too little knowledge about it to understand it properly. Tell me, dad, what scientific qualifications do you have that qualify you to pass judgement on science?

 

[dad]

I love this. You say my claim is false (that nothing will convince you that science is right) and then you go and completely agree with what I said. How is my claim false if you are agreeing with me?

So called science versus real science. Learn the dif.

Oh, and the reason that you claim that science hasn't been proven true is because it has, you just have too little knowledge about it to understand it properly.

It is easy enough to understand their claims. The hard part is swallowing.

Tell me, dad, what scientific qualifications do you have that qualify you to pass judgement on science?

I am not an idiot and can read.

 

[Tiberius]

So called science versus real science. Learn the dif.

You have demonstrated many times that you are incapable of recognizing real science.

It is easy enough to understand their claims. The hard part is swallowing.

And you're wrong. About just about everything.

I am not an idiot and can read.

Scientific qualifications are a little more rigorous than that.