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[Tone]

Hello all,

A recent conversation (among many other things) in another thread has prompted me to start this thread.

Luke 13
"18Then said he, Unto what is the kingdom of God like? and whereunto shall I resemble it? 19It is like a grain of mustard seed, which a man took, and cast into his garden; and it grew, and waxed a great tree; and the fowls of the air lodged in the branches of it."


So since the Master has given us this picture of His Kingdom, wouldn't you agree that studying the process of a tree's growth would be invaluable?

Furthermore, I believe that such study will give us great insight into "Church history" by way of explaining many of the "whys?".

For instance; a brother and I discussed the possible analogous relationship between a tree's bark (epidermis) and the many creeds and dogmas that developed over the centuries to kind of cover "The Faith", acting as a buffer against diseases and pests.

Also, I have often contemplated the contrasts between the roots and shoots of a plant/tree...The former coming first and descending and, of course, the latter ascending after.

Then there are verses, which compare individuals to trees, e.g., Psalms 92:12; Jeremiah 17:8; Mark 8:24...just to give a few.

So, we have the Kingdom like a tree...over us...who are likened to trees...trees within the Tree...like Ezekiel's wheels.

Anyways, this OP is getting pretty lengthy, so I'll just leave a few links to help aid discussion:


--https://www.ehow.com/info_8761441_names-stages-tree-growth.html


--Stages of Plant Growth




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Thank you!

 

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[St_Worm2]

Hello @Tone, yes, this should make for an interesting study ..

--David

Psalm 1
1 How blessed is the man who does not walk in the counsel of the wicked,
Nor stand in the path of sinners,
Nor sit in the seat of scoffers!
2 But his delight is in the law of the LORD,
And in His law he meditates day and night.
3 And he will be like a tree firmly planted by streams of water,
Which yields its fruit in its season,
And its leaf does not wither;
And in whatever he does, he prospers.
.​

 

[Tone]

Well, let us begin at the seed.


Luke 8:11
" 11Now this is the meaning of the parable: The seed is the word of God."


"The seedling represents the first stage in tree growth; this stage begins once the tree seed is put into the ground."
https://www.ehow.com/info_8761441_names-stages-tree-growth.html

Revelation 22:13
I am the Alpha and the Omega, the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End.

John 1
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was with God in the beginning.


This cute video explains the three parts of a seed: An outer shell (Seed Coat); A tiny baby plant (Embryo); and some baby plant food (Endosperm):

The video also points out that a seed may remain dormant for hundreds or even thousands of years!

 

[Tone]

The tripartite seed needs three things to survive:

-Water (Baptism)

-Heat (Baptism)

-Light (Spirit?)

 

[Tone]

To thrive, the seed will need a receptacle (or ground...dirt):

--The roots are inward (descending)/the shoots are outward (ascending)
and they are in respective sequence.


--Receiving is as below and giving is as above


“We exist to begin as a receiver…to grow into the giver…” (paraphrase)

-- Messianic Torah Observant Israel



However, the seed is always bestowing as it is Him from beginning to end.


*So, in a sense, to hold a seed in your hand...is to hold a tree.

 

[Tone]

Thoughts?

 

[Tone]

"With the right soil, the seed will realize its full potential"

--Tree Of Life

 

[Tone]

Here's an interesting article, thanks @Swan7

The Story of the Bible, Told by Trees | Institute For Bible Reading

 

[SANTOSO]

Hello all,

A recent conversation (among many other things) in another thread has prompted me to start this thread.

Luke 13
"18Then said he, Unto what is the kingdom of God like? and whereunto shall I resemble it? 19It is like a grain of mustard seed, which a man took, and cast into his garden; and it grew, and waxed a great tree; and the fowls of the air lodged in the branches of it."


So since the Master has given us this picture of His Kingdom, wouldn't you agree that studying the process of a tree's growth would be invaluable?

Furthermore, I believe that such study will give us great insight into "Church history" by way of explaining many of the "whys?".

For instance; a brother and I discussed the possible analogous relationship between a tree's bark (epidermis) and the many creeds and dogmas that developed over the centuries to kind of cover "The Faith", acting as a buffer against diseases and pests.

Also, I have often contemplated the contrasts between the roots and shoots of a plant/tree...The former coming first and descending and, of course, the latter ascending after.

Then there are verses, which compare individuals to trees, e.g., Psalms 92:12; Jeremiah 17:8; Mark 8:24...just to give a few.

So, we have the Kingdom like a tree...over us...who are likened to trees...trees within the Tree...like Ezekiel's wheels.

Anyways, this OP is getting pretty lengthy, so I'll just leave a few links to help aid discussion:


--https://www.ehow.com/info_8761441_names-stages-tree-growth.html


--Stages of Plant Growth




--

Thank you!

Hello Tone and all,
Let me share what I have learned from parable of mustard seed.

In the parable of mustard seed, we have heard:
but when it has grown it is larger than all the garden plants and becomes a tree, so that the birds of the air come and make nests in its branches. - Matthew 13:32

But we have heard our Lord Jesus explaining in the parable of the sower that the birds of the air is the wicked one / Satan / the Devil.

Many farmers I believe would like to understand how mustard a garden plant become a tree !?

What is the factor that influence a garden plant become a tree ?

But we have heard the purpose of this mustard seed has grown larger than all garden plants and become a tree SO THAT wicked one come and make dwelling there in the branches.

So, this mustard plant become a tree because it grows larger by doing wicked things.

It is true that it is the smallest of all seeds but the way it grows large and become a tree is questionable!

Therefore, abide in the true vine, that is, in our Lord Jesus Christ.

Don’t abide in the mustard tree where the Satan dwells.

Heed to the voice from Heaven that apostle John have heard:

Then I heard another voice from heaven saying, "Come out of her, my people, lest you take part in her sins, lest you share in her plagues; -Revelation 18:4
for her sins are heaped high as heaven, and God has remembered her iniquities. -Revelation 18:5

 

[Tone]

What is the factor that influence a garden plant become a tree ?

The mustard seed represents faith...right?

So, wouldn't you say that faith caused it to grow into the tree?

And do you believe that all birds in the Bible represent the evil one?

Didn't Messiah call a woman a dog and didn't she, by faith, turn this into a positive?

 

[SANTOSO]

The mustard seed represents faith...right?

So, wouldn't you say that faith caused it to grow into the tree?

And do you believe that all birds in the Bible represent the evil one?

Didn't Messiah call a woman a dog and didn't she, by faith, turn this into a positive?

Hi Tone,
When the Lord speaks in Matthew 17:20, He did speak about faith like mustard seed. That means yes.

But when He spoke about the parable of mustard seed in Matthew 13:31-32, He spoke something different — that was what I explained in my previous reply.

In regards to the bird of the air, you can check yourself what the Lord have explained in Matthew 13:19 ; Mark 4:15; Luke 8:12.

I hope you get the truth.

 

[Tone]

Hi Tone,
When the Lord speaks in Matthew 17:20, He did speak about faith like mustard seed. That means yes.

But when He spoke about the parable of mustard seed in Matthew 13:31-32, He spoke something different — that was what I explained in my previous reply.

In regards to the bird of the air, you can check yourself what the Lord have explained in Matthew 13:19 ; Mark 4:15; Luke 8:12.

I hope you get the truth.

Well, whatever it is you see there remember this also, "Death is swallowed up in victory"!

And who doesn't enjoy a squeeze of mustard with their hot dog?!

*1 Corinthians 15:54
"So when this corruptible has put on incorruption, and this mortal has put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written: “Death is swallowed up in victory.”

 

[Swan7]

Jesus Christ was explaining the Kingdom of God. I really hope it is not suggested that God is the evil one.... That is so far from the truth of what Jesus said in comparison/likeness to His Kingdom.

However, there is a certain reflection that is indeed counterfeit. Which lion do you follow?

(General, rhetoric question)

 

[Tone]

Jesus Christ was explaining the Kingdom of God. I really hope it is not suggested that God is the evil one.... That is so far from the truth of what Jesus said in comparison/likeness to His Kingdom.

However, there is a certain reflection that is indeed counterfeit. Which lion do you follow?

(General, rhetoric question)

Yeah, Third Day (the band) reminded me of:


Psalms 91:4
"He shall cover you with His feathers, And under His wings you shall take refuge; His truth shall be your shield and buckler."


So, I'm a little birdie under Abba's Wings!

 

[SANTOSO]

Well, whatever it is you see there remember this also, "Death is swallowed up in victory"!

And who doesn't enjoy a squeeze of mustard with their hot dog?!

*1 Corinthians 15:54
"So when this corruptible has put on incorruption, and this mortal has put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written: “Death is swallowed up in victory.”

You can enjoy mustard sauce with hotdog but that beside the point I try to convey.
Let those have ear hear.

 

[SANTOSO]

Jesus Christ was explaining the Kingdom of God. I really hope it is not suggested that God is the evil one.... That is so far from the truth of what Jesus said in comparison/likeness to His Kingdom.

However, there is a certain reflection that is indeed counterfeit. Which lion do you follow?

(General, rhetoric question)

Have you heard what apostle John have written:

Now war arose in heaven, Michael and his angels fighting against the dragon. And the dragon and his angels fought back, -Revelation 12:7
but he was defeated, and there was no longer any place for them in heaven. -Revelation 12:8
And the great dragon was thrown down, that ancient serpent, who is called the devil and Satan, the deceiver of the whole world'he was thrown down to the earth, and his angels were thrown down with him. -Revelation 12:9

Did apostle John suggests that God rules Heaven is evil because His angels were fighting against Satan in Heaven ?
Do you consider what apostle John have said is a reflection of counterfeit ? Which lion do you consider apostle John follow ?

Does God only reign in Heaven only but not on earth ?

This is what we have heard:
The earth is the LORD's and the fullness thereof, the world and those who dwell therein, -Psalms 24:1

Likewise, when Jesus Christ related the parable, He was saying what He does through His church on earth. Can God do nothing on earth because the wicked one on earth ?
This is what we have heard what the Lord said:
nor will they say, 'Look, here it is!' or 'There!' for behold, the kingdom of God is in the midst of you." -Luke 17:21
Can God not reign His church on earth ? Since God rules Heavens and earth ! His kingdom includes earth. Are you saying that Jesus can do nothing through His church on earth ?
Let those who have ear hear.

 

[SANTOSO]

Yeah, Third Day (the band) reminded me of:


Psalms 91:4
"He shall cover you with His feathers, And under His wings you shall take refuge; His truth shall be your shield and buckler."


So, I'm a little birdie under Abba's Wings!

Hello Tone,
Have you heard this :

The cherubim shall spread out their wings above, overshadowing the mercy seat with their wings, their faces one to another; toward the mercy seat shall the faces of the cherubim be. -Exodus 25:20

There I will meet with you, and from above the mercy seat, from between the two cherubim that are on the ark of the testimony, I will speak with you about all that I will give you in commandment for the people of Israel. -Exodus 25:22

Have you considered the cherubim have wings ? Since they have wings, surely they have feathers.

Do you still consider the cherubim’s wings as the birds of the air’s wings ?
Do you still consider the cherubim’s feathers as the birds of the air’s feathers ?

 

[Swan7]

Yeah, Third Day (the band) reminded me of:


Psalms 91:4
"He shall cover you with His feathers, And under His wings you shall take refuge; His truth shall be your shield and buckler."


So, I'm a little birdie under Abba's Wings!

Absolutely!

 

[Swan7]

Have you heard what apostle John have written:

Now war arose in heaven, Michael and his angels fighting against the dragon. And the dragon and his angels fought back, -Revelation 12:7
but he was defeated, and there was no longer any place for them in heaven. -Revelation 12:8
And the great dragon was thrown down, that ancient serpent, who is called the devil and Satan, the deceiver of the whole world'he was thrown down to the earth, and his angels were thrown down with him. -Revelation 12:9

God had me read this at least 3 times - and just for good measure, I'll read it again and the parable of the Mustard Seed as well.
Update: Ok, so in Revelation it's very clear what is happening here: war broke out in heaven, but this has nothing to do with what Jesus Christ was speaking about in His parable.

Did apostle John suggests that God rules Heaven is evil because His angels were fighting against Satan in Heaven ?
Do you consider what apostle John have said is a reflection of counterfeit ? Which lion do you consider apostle John follow ?

Does God only reign in Heaven only but not on earth ?

Nope. Not at all what I suggested or asked. And no again, God is Sovereign over everything.

Likewise, when Jesus Christ related the parable, He was saying what He does through His church on earth. Can God do nothing on earth because the wicked one on earth ?

Yes and no to the first sentence and no to the second.
When Jesus Christ was speaking about the parable it's because we have not seen heaven. So, how could we know unless He projects an analogy in the form of Parables, so that we may understand them today through His Spirit. Pay heed to His first sentence: "The kingdom of heaven is like..." We now know what he is going to begin describing.
Christ Jesus has also explained "Faith as a Mustard Seed" in Matthew 17:20, which Tone has already presented/cited.

We know that God has created all things and everything in them: Genesis, Nehemiah 9:6, Colossians 1:16, John 1:3, etc. This, I believe given the beginning context Jesus gave, speaks about God creating a place for all His creation, the birds meaning His angels/messengers. In the given parable, He is not speaking about a war here - only the depiction of His kingdom.
We must take context into high consideration because it will help us understand in what manner this was being taught and why, right along with the Spirit to guide us through His Law of Spirit.

Let those who have ear hear.

On this we can both agree.