Yes, his artcle is very short. Well worth reading if you want to see my perspective on this.Is he a Christian?
Your understanding of the Bible must be different than mine. The article on this is actually very short if you want to take a look. "Today, we look back in time and we see approximately 15 billion years of history. Looking forward from when the universe is very small - billions of times smaller - the Torah says six days. In truth, they both may be correct."
http://www.geraldschroeder.com/AgeUniverse.aspx
Yes, his artcle is very short. Well worth reading if you want to see my perspective on this.
http://www.geraldschroeder.com/AgeUniverse.aspx
Yes, his artcle is very short. Well worth reading if you want to see my perspective on this.
http://www.geraldschroeder.com/AgeUniverse.aspx
All you have to do is accept that each day is half the length of the day before it. For me this works out just fine. Even if you start with the break up of Pangaea 200 million hears ago. A week later you see the beginning of mankind. Then a week later you see man coming up out of Africa and being dispersed to the whole world. I see a connection between the world being destroyed 200 million hears ago and the flood we read about with Noah. This may not work for you but for me this formula works. Gerald Schroeder is quick to point out that this teaching goes back long before Science arrived at the same conclusion. In this regard Science gives us a better understanding of our Bible. You understanding is outdated and not based on the latest findings. But mankind got by find thinking the earth was only 6,000 years old. It never seemed to be a problem or an issue until recently.It seems like a person has to do gymnastic twists in order to make Old Earth Creationism work in the Bible.
Ok, do you want me to go through this point by point? "#1. The Genealogy of Jesus." What does the genealogy of Jesus have to do with the age of the earth??? Absolutely NOTHING. We have the marriage between Adam and Eve. We have the marriage between Joseph and Mary, we have a lot of marriages in between like Ruth and Boez. If you remember Ruth was not even "Jewish". Then we have David and Solomon. What does any of that have to do with the Earth and the age of the Earth???See my post #66. It mentions 5 points in Scripture that I believe make are very clear that the Earth is young and not old.
Gerald Lawrence Schroeder is an Orthodox Jewish physicist, author, lecturer and teacher at College of Jewish Studies Aish HaTorah's Discovery Seminar, Essentials and Fellowships programs and Executive Learning Center,[1] who focuses on what he perceives to be an inherent relationship between science and spirituality. After emigrating to Israel in 1971, Schroeder was employed as a researcher at the Weizmann Institute of Science, the Volcani Research Institute, and the Hebrew University of Jerusalem.[4][5] He currently teaches at Aish HaTorah College of Jewish Studies.[6]Is he a Christian?
Many creationists insist that the earth should be no more than 6,000 years old. Apparently the idea is that the Second Coming is imminent, and after that there will be the 1,000 Millenial reign, and then the Final Judgment. The world, from creation to Second Coming to Final Judgment will come out to 7,000 years. By this reasoning, the world began around 4,000 BC (Bishop Ussher?) and Noah's Deluge was about 3,000 BC.
The Bible simply doesn't say how old the earth is or how long God intends the earth's history to be. A 6,000 year old earth is an arbitrary idea.
Science is in constant collision with the notion of a 6,000 year old earth.
Take tree rings, for example. How simple can you get?
"Bristlecone pine wood that has fallen to the ground can remain intact for thousands of years in the cold, dry climate of the White Mountains. Using a cross-dating technique that overlaps tree-ring patterns of living trees with the still intact patterns of dead wood, scientists have assembled a continuous tree-ring chronology extending nearly 10,000 years."
Link
https://www.fs.usda.gov/detail/inyo/learning/nature-science/?cid=stelprdb5138621
Our current understanding based on the Google Earth photos is that the Garden of Eden is under the Persian gulf.Garden of Eden is there , hidden from us , probably burried in north pole .
Prove that God didn't create the world last Thursday, planting memories in your mind to make you think you are older than actually.And if God spoke trees into existence with the rings already in place? What does that do to your age theory? Are you stating God couldn't do that?
Jason0047 said:#1. The Genealogy of Jesus.
Ok, do you want me to go through this point by point? " What does the genealogy of Jesus have to do with the age of the earth??? Absolutely NOTHING. We have the marriage between Adam and Eve. We have the marriage between Joseph and Mary, we have a lot of marriages in between like Ruth and Boez. If you remember Ruth was not even "Jewish". Then we have David and Solomon. What does any of that have to do with the Earth and the age of the Earth???
Jason0047 said:#2. Jesus references the beginning of creation with the story of Adam and Eve.
You said:"Second verse, same as the first. We are talking about Genesis chapter two. Adam and Eve and the generations that we already talked about with your first point. We know Adam and Eve lived in the Garden of Eden 6,000 years ago and this has nothing to do with the age of the Earth.
Jason0047 said:#3. There is no Gap Theory, Day Age Theory, or 2nd Creation Account in the Bible.
You said:I am not defending day age or Gap theory. Mostly because there is not enough of a theory there to defend.
Jason0047 said:#4. Most who accept Old Earth Creationism Deny a Global Flood.
You said:I do not deny a Global Flood. That is why Noah's story is written the way it is written because it represents a global flood at the time Pangea was destroyed. This is a shadow and type although a modern term they use is Paradigm. Just like Jesus talks about the days of Noah when he talks about how the earth will be cleansed by fire. Spiritually we are baptized with water and with fire. Basically Noah saved the Garden of Eden on the Ark. God redeemed and saved the world that was through Noah and his family. If it had not been for Noah you would have no point one and point two because the generation would have been destroyed in the flood.
Jason0047 said:#5. Death entered the world by one man's sin (Who was Adam).
You said:"Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin
Paul is talking about death by sin. The whole passage has to do with sin and death by sin. There was no sin until Adam and Eve ate from the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil. God told them not to eat from that tree or they would die.
Before Adam the cause of death was murder. This was Cain's concern that someone would find him and murder him the way he murdered his brother. I did a study on this. I looked at various skeletons they find before Adam and Eve and they were all killed in the prime of life. Of course they did not grow old and age back then like they did after the flood. So they could have been hundreds of years old. But by today's standards they died in the prime of life or younger.
Difference in time between science views and theology views I always point to Relativity. Passage of time is relative to the viewer. The creation Biblical account who is it relative to? Age of earth in science time is earth time. But is the Bible's? The Bible got the steps of creation right despite primitive scientifically knowledge. Moses is the author, so it was written about 1500-1600 BC. Back then man thought the earth was flat and earth was center of universe. So, we know he had no knowledge of even basic science. So, how did he get the steps of evolution right? Thought providing isn't it?Many creationists insist that the earth should be no more than 6,000 years old. Apparently the idea is that the Second Coming is imminent, and after that there will be the 1,000 Millenial reign, and then the Final Judgment. The world, from creation to Second Coming to Final Judgment will come out to 7,000 years. By this reasoning, the world began around 4,000 BC (Bishop Ussher?) and Noah's Deluge was about 3,000 BC.
The Bible simply doesn't say how old the earth is or how long God intends the earth's history to be. A 6,000 year old earth is an arbitrary idea.
Science is in constant collision with the notion of a 6,000 year old earth.
Take tree rings, for example. How simple can you get?
"Bristlecone pine wood that has fallen to the ground can remain intact for thousands of years in the cold, dry climate of the White Mountains. Using a cross-dating technique that overlaps tree-ring patterns of living trees with the still intact patterns of dead wood, scientists have assembled a continuous tree-ring chronology extending nearly 10,000 years."
Link
https://www.fs.usda.gov/detail/inyo/learning/nature-science/?cid=stelprdb5138621
Difference in time between science views and theology views I always point to Relativity. Passage of time is relative to the viewer. The creation Biblical account who is it relative to? Age of earth in science time is earth time. But is the Bible's? The Bible got the steps of creation right despite primitive scientifically knowledge. Moses is the author, so it was written about 1500-1600 BC. Back then man thought the earth was flat and earth was center of universe. So, we know he had no knowledge of even basic science. So, how did he get the steps of evolution right? Thought providing isn't it?
What about the male and the female we read about in Genesis Chapter one "28 God blessed them and said to them, “Be fruitful and increase in number; fill the earth and subdue it". They were told to fill the earth and then God rested on the 7th day. In Chapter 2 7 "Then the LORD God formed man from the dust of the ground and breathed the breath of life into his nostrils, and the man became a living being" YOU do not see the difference between the male and female in Genesis Chapter one and the man and women in Genesis Chapter 2? Adam and Eve were given the Garden of Eden.The genealogy of Jesus through Mary's line shows that it is to Adam. Adam is mentioned as the first man within the creation. Genesis 2:4 states:
What about the male and the female we read about in Genesis Chapter one "28 God blessed them and said to them, “Be fruitful and increase in number; fill the earth and subdue it". They were told to fill the earth and then God rested on the 7th day. In Chapter 2 7 "Then the LORD God formed man from the dust of the ground and breathed the breath of life into his nostrils, and the man became a living being" YOU do not see the difference between the male and female in Genesis Chapter one and the man and women in Genesis Chapter 2? Adam and Eve were given the Garden of Eden.
You said:Also we have a ton of science and history that you seem to want to ignore and disregard. I took my first ancient history class over 50 years ago and I have studied history and science for many years now. I would be glad to help you to understand, but you do not want to know so there is no reason for me to wear myself out for nothing.
Man taught you that NOT the Holy Spirit of God. You need to be taught by God and not man.Genesis 2:4-25 are details of day 6 of the creation week.
Man taught you that NOT the Holy Spirit of God. You need to be taught by God and not man.
Nope. An evening and a morning is a 24 hour day. Denying what the Bible plainly because we want to cram secular science into our Bible is not the way. But believe as you wish. I have already brought up 5 points in Scripture that should be sufficient to prove the Earth is young and not old.
If we were talking about any other part of the Bible besides Genesis, an evening and a morning coinciding with a day would be a 24 hour period. That is the basic way to read a text. The only reason somebody wants to ignore this fact in Scripture is because they think secular Science is correct and they are trying to cram secular Science based on a theory into the Bible.
The notion that a day to the Lord could be a thousand years, or any other number, to us is perfectly Biblical.
3 You turn people back to dust,
saying, “Return to dust, you mortals.”
4 A thousand years in your sight
are like a day that has just gone by,
or like a watch in the night.
--Psalm 90: 1-4 NIV
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