Tree of Life and Knowledge

[davedajobauk]

whoops again today

 

[davedajobauk]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Rediscoveringgod
Thanx, Dave, for going to the trouble of searching the internet for me. I didn't like any of the sites except the one rapturechrist.com/tree_of_life. It was awsome and answered a lot of questions. It even went into Rev. and explained a lot of things I would never have understood. I don't know why so many people are so against the Bible and don't read it. It's like poison to them. And when they see me carrying one around, they avoid me. At least that is how it has been on this trip. I love to read it. It is full of wisdom and mystries, which is better than a novel.

But, please, all of you who read this, go to that site. It's great. Thanx again, Dave. Bonnie

np it is my pleasure, to be of any help at all

dave

 

[gratefulgrace]

GratefulGrace,
what do you mean, "if they would have children in the Garden," they would have been sinless?

Before they sinned any children they would have conceived would also have been sinless. That is all I mean. Sin did not enter the world until committed by Adam (MAN and WOMAN). They themselves were sinless till then.
Romans 5:12
Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned.
From then on a natural inclination to sin was passed upon all mankind.
Jan

 

[Jim1927]

Was all humankind the offspring of Adam and Eve, or was there other creations? Where did Cain, Abel (well Abel died) and Seth get their wives?

God created Adam and Eve sinless, but they inherited sin through the fall. Did all subsequent creation inherit sin from the fall? In Adam all men sinned?

Cheers,

Jim

 

[Rediscoveringgod]

That's an interesting concept, grateful, about their children being sinless and still in the garden. Of course, the Mormons believe that God's plan was that they eat so that they could multiply. What would have happened then if they never ate of it? Would they have ever multiplied? My pastor once said that after Eve partook, Adam partook also so that he would not be left alone in the garden when Eve was kicked out. That's a though also. So if they would have had children, they would have had to feed then the forbidden fruit also I guess.

I really hate it when I get into this stuff because it really doesn't matter. It's just that the more you think about things you read, the more your mind wonders (not wanders) hee hee. But it is interesting if you don't take it as far as the Mormons do and make it a religion. So, what do you think?

 

[Rediscoveringgod]

Was all humankind the offspring of Adam and Eve, or was there other creations? Where did Cain, Abel (well Abel died) and Seth get their wives?

God created Adam and Eve sinless, but they inherited sin through the fall. Did all subsequent creation inherit sin from the fall? In Adam all men sinned?

Cheers,

Jim

Jim, how do I put your reply in my reply (quote message in reply)? Because I forget what you said.

 

[Jim1927]

I don't understand what you are asking because you have quoted my quote in your reply.

The importance of these questions is the total veracity of what scripture is saying.

The Bible is not a history text. It is the story of salvation for all time, but related in time. Where the Bible speaks on history, it is accurate, but not historical events are recorded.

Cheers,

Jim

 

[Rediscoveringgod]

Oh, now I see. You can't see it unless you scroll up until after you post your reply.

Ok, anyway, my husband thinks there were other creation. Sometimes I wonder too, but then I have too many other wonders to worry about that!

About multiplying, I think they would have to have relations with their sisters (who were not mentioned because the whole Bible would have been filled with ancestors if they did).

"In Adam all man sinned." I guess that is an important component of our faith, is it not? We were born in sin when Adam and Eve sinned I guess. And another thought, it seems a short time, maybe 700 years that God's creation became so evil that he destroyed the earth in the flood and that, of course, would have destroyed the garden and the tree of life, which I understand the tree is now in Paradise where we will go after the Rapture and partake of it. Sound right to everyone else?

 

[Rediscoveringgod]

I don't know where you get the idea, Jim, that the Bible is not a history text. I recall a few times when discoveries were made as to tombs and historical sites found in the middle east that were found in direct relation to what scripture said. Everyone knows that the earth was once covered in water for instance. Am I miscommunicating?

 

[Rediscoveringgod]

"not historical events are recorded." did you mean to type non-hinstorical events are recorded?

 

[Jim1927]

Again, I say the Bible is the story of redemption, and not a total history of humankind. I believe the flood was local........again, in relation to the story of redemption, and not a history of humankind.

Original sin is adamic (generically imposed in humankind)Adam did not become an actual name until later..after he married. I guess you must understand Hebrew to get the meaning of the word adam and the name Adam.

Cheers,

Jim

 

[gratefulgrace]

I believe the story of Adam and Eve more or less it literally. The man and woman lived for many more years (hundreds) and had many more sons and daughters after Cain and Abel and Seth. At that time there were no prohibitions to marrying siblings so I am sure this is what happened. Over time the split became wider with only a small remnent maintaining the link to the blood sacrifice that God instituted in the Garden to cover the nakedness of Adam and Eve. ( I believe that was the line of Seth) The first part of Genesis I believe is pretty clear about who did what and what happened although I don't believe it is the entire history of the world, just what pertained to the chosen people. It leads up of course to Abraham hearing God and specifically entering into a covenant with HIM again through a blood sacrifice. Jan

 

[Jim1927]

Tradition says that Adam and Eve had 22 siblings. Adam lived 930 years in all,,,,and 800 years aftr Seth was born. Their first was born after they left the garden..so allow 20 years for the first born to grow up...a possibility of 20 offspring..Hmmm...I am having a little difficulty here.......Then it took 130 years to begat Seth, so he wasn't conceived early on (Gen 5).
In Gen 4:16, Cain went off to the land of Nod, on the east of Eden..it was there Cain knew his wife. His wife was evidently not his sister.

Cheers,

Jim

 

[HolyGuardianAngels]

I just discovered that there were 2 trees in the Garden that Adam and Eve were not supposed to eat from. They ate of the Tree of Knowledge of Good & Evil. Gen 2:9 mentions both trees. I did not know that! Anyway, it got me to thinking: This chapter also talks about rivers and where they are located and that there is "gold and onyx." This is mentioned, so it must be important. Is it saying that the Garden can be located today? If so, I'd imagine the Tree of Life is still guarded or hidden. In Verse 22, Chapter 2, it sounds like God wants them to leave "lest they eat also of the Tree of Life and live forever." Why was this tree forbidden to eat from as well because they already were going to live forever. It must be there for a future reason. I know I've asked a lot. But this has me going. Thanx, Bonnie

Please remember that Christ was CRUCIFIED
on a CROSS, called a TREE and

the same with C P R and the
revival o0f LIFE afeter it "flat- lines" . . .

 

[davedajobauk]

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[davedajobauk]

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[Rediscoveringgod]

Thanx, Dave. Those were mighty fine cards.

 

[davedajobauk]

Thanx, Dave. Those were mighty fine cards.

thank you and another lovely 'precious' morning to you




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[davedajobauk]

You recall HOW 'sight of certain objects' an 'aroma'
can STIR memories of things past ?

Well, inside the internet are many such nuances
and stimulations

I have found that reading of indian folklore
and stories of wakantanke
COMPARE-WITH Biblical-Text
in both sentiment and story

The site I visit, has this page by it's owner/author

http://www.winterstubes.com/wintersworldreflect1.html

please, enjoy your read

dave

 

[amadeus2]

After the fall up until the resurrection of Jesus man only had access to the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. He did not stop eating from it. After Jesus paid the price and became the Door, we once again had access to the tree of life. We now have access to both trees, but too often we continue to make the same choice as Adam and Eve.