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No offense taken. I just wanted to point out that some gay people are not in relationships and are not having sex. I personally don't think that my being in a relationship would make my life "sinful" any more than it is now. But I have been busy raising my daughter, and I have chosen not to be in an intimate relationship with a spouse at this time in my life.
When groups that self-identify as Christians, such as Focus on the Family, the Family Research Council, Concerned Women for America, and others, promote a constitutional amendment that effectively bans same-sex marriage, that's a religiously motivated effort to write discrimination into the U.S. constitution. Fortunately, their efforts so far have failed.
That is what I asked. I simply cited one group of Christians, specifically racists.And what how exactly are Christians who stand up and say I believe that your actions are sinful and here is the reason why maligning or discriminating.
I compared white supremacists to all Christians? Where exactly did I do that?Your comparison of white-supremacists to all Christians is like me saying all homosexuals want to rape children by citing NAMBLA. Yes, there are extremists in every group, yes they represent the minority not the majority.
You mean sickos who use the bible to attack our gay and lesbian brothers and sistersWe have the first amendment which guarantees sickos on either side get to say what they wish, and that is a good thing. Would you have it any other way?
I think a lot of people in this country have been almost fooled into thinking that issues such as gay marriage and abortion are the main moral issues that need to be dealt with. Not homelessness, poverty, violence,disease,etc. that have a more devastating effect on this country and the world. This probably has to do with the fact that many people feel apathetic towards these issues but have strong feelings towards homosexuality and abortion. It's unfortunate.
Thats not what I was trying to say. Some people's priorities as far as moral issues are concerned seem to be a little skewed. I know many Christians who volunteer on issues such as poverty and the like. I also know there are Christians out there who have their priorities straight and realize that poverty, homelessness, etc. are much more urgent issues than gay issues are.Why can't all the above be dealt with? Why does it mean that we aren't working on poverty, homelessness, violence, disease, etc. if we believe that homosexuality and abortions are sins? Do people really believe that we are so wrapped up in trying to show people that those two things are sin sand aganist God that we can't help fight anything else?
The Lord pointed out that the church should take care of the widows, orphans, homeless. This isn't being done like it should be but that doesn't mean that every Christians isn't doing their part in trying to follow the Lord and be obedient to His Word.
It is unfortuate that these issues aren't being address the way they should, but it is also unfortuate that people try and say that people who believe homosexuality and abortions are sins can't or aren't doing anything else the Bible shows us the Lord wants us to do.
If you mean that then I assume you accept peoples way of reading the Bible exactly as it says that homosexual offenders shall not inherit the Kingdom is treating people with dignity.
Thats not what I was trying to say. Some people's priorities as far as moral issues are concerned seem to be a little skewed. I know many Christians who volunteer on issues such as poverty and the like. I also know there are Christians out there who have their priorities straight and realize that poverty, homelessness, etc. are much more urgent issues than gay issues are.
But also see quite a few Christians who seem to focus too much on gay issues. I didn't say that they represent every Christian, just an unfortunate portion.
Even God said the poor will always be with us, and since when did poverty, homelessness, etc. become things that will keep people from inheriting the Kingdom of God?
I think if you feel that gay issues are important to adress, I think thats fine. Its when people start treating these issues as more important than issues like poverty, violence, abuse, homelessness, etc. where I strongly disagree with them.So there are sins that aren't urgent issues if they are said will cause someone to not inherit the Kingdom of God?
Even God said the poor will always be with us, and since when did poverty, homelessness, etc. become things that will keep people from inheriting the Kingdom of God?
If they aren't things that will keep someone from inheriting the Kingdom, then don't you think the things that will should be consided more important?
There are, as I said, an unfortuate number of Christian that don't go about the Father's business. This is very true, and sad.
There are people who say that poor people deserve to be poor. They say that poor people lack initiative, that poor people need to work to better themselves and stop looking to government for help. There are indeed people who say this.OH I dont know, if someone kept saying poverty was good and poor people deserved to be poor, I am sure there would be plenty of people treating it with the utmost importance
I think if you feel that gay issues are important to adress, I think thats fine. Its when people start treating these issues as more important than issues like poverty, violence, abuse, homelessness, etc. where I strongly disagree with them.
Just like if someone were to claim that the poor are not and cannot be Christians or that it is perfectly fine to discriminate against the poor. Or how about someone claiming that the poor are disease ridden or child molestersOH I dont know, if someone kept saying poverty was good and poor people deserved to be poor, I am sure there would be plenty of people treating it with the utmost importance
And if you do not like that then perhaps you should look at how you use your views of religion to justify your personal prejudices.To me it is love to try to show someone that because of sin we are dead both physically and spiritually, but that with the Lord we can be alive both physically and spiritually. To show them that we are all sinners, and the only answer is Christ, but that isn't what others call love. They seem to think that if we love someone it has to also mean we have to love their sin, and I never have seen anywhere that that is the example that Christ gave. He said go and sin no more, not keep on keeping on, because I love you.
I have been labeled a hater, bigot, etc., but .........................
And as I already said that is fine. it's when people put so much focus on gay issues (like marriage, adoption, etc.) that they almost forget about issues like poverty, homelessness, violence, etc., which I consider more urgent, that I do not at all agree with.Jesus didn't just speak of one thing or only speak to one type of person or issue, so since He is the example why would we think that is what we should do?
As everyone knows I believe homosexuality is a sin, but so is adultery, idoltry, greed, anything to excess if that be drinking eating, etc.
My question would be should a person just take care of the poor, homeless, etc. and not try to point people away from sin? If it be by showing someone where the Lord brought you from or just showing that the word says it is a sin, the seed should be planted.
I find alot of us have different understanding of what love is. To me it is loving if a brother or sister makes me accountable for my actions, and/or points out to me that I have gone astray.
To me it is love to try to show someone that because of sin we are dead both physically and spiritually, but that with the Lord we can be alive both physically and spiritually. To show them that we are all sinners, and the only answer is Christ, but that isn't what others call love. They seem to think that if we love someone it has to also mean we have to love their sin, and I never have seen anywhere that that is the example that Christ gave. He said go and sin no more, not keep on keeping on, because I love you.
I have been labeled a hater, bigot, etc., but .........................
What the Bible calls sin ____from a narrow-minded INTERPRETATION ____is not necessarily sin?What the Bible calls sin is not necessarily sin? Are you serious?
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Racists are not Christians any more than Hitler was a Christian. Calling for discrimination based on race is wrong. I don't see how that compares with someone standing up and saying that they believe that the Bible states homosexual actions are sinful.That is what I asked. I simply cited one group of Christians, specifically racists.
You didnt answer me.
When racists stand up for what they believe. When racists quote the bible to justify their position on the social inferiority of non-whites. When racists call for discriminatory laws are they not maligning and discriminating?
If you did not, then I apologize, that was how I read your statement.I compared white supremacists to all Christians? Where exactly did I do that?
Yes, those too. But one's definition of attack differs.You mean sickos who use the bible to attack our gay and lesbian brothers and sisters
Back to the point:
First of all, I said that I would be in favor of legal unions. Second, besides the gay marriage agenda (and discrimination would be a loose term here at best), how else are you being discriminated against by Christians?why is it wrong in your opinion for a racist to stand up for what they believe, quote the bible to justify their position on the social inferiority of non-whites and call for discriminatory laws against non-whites but when the exact same things are done to homosexuasl you support it?
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