Trayvon case NOT going to grand jury

[DaisyDay]

The problem with grand juries is that they don't determine "truth", only if the prosecutor has enough evidence to go to trial. They also have a reputation for being emotional and easily led. It might be extremely difficult to get an unbiased (either way) group at this point. Hopefully, a special prosecutor will be able to get to the truth of the matter.

It would be a shame if Zimmerman were prosecuted just to satisfy public opinion; it would also be a shame if Zimmerman were not prosecuted because his dad is a former magistrate or because there was bias in the prosecutor's office. I really do hope that this can be resolved in a way that is both fair and just.

 

[MachZer0]

The problem with grand juries is that they don't determine "truth", only if the prosecutor has enough evidence to go to trial. They also have a reputation for being emotional and easily led. It might be extremely difficult to get an unbiased (either way) group at this point. Hopefully, a special prosecutor will be able to get to the truth of the matter.

It would be a shame if Zimmerman were prosecuted just to satisfy public opinion; it would also be a shame if Zimmerman were not prosecuted because his dad is a former magistrate or because there was bias in the prosecutor's office. I really do hope that this can be resolved in a way that is both fair and just.

I haven't seen any reason to believe that the elder Zimmerman's career had any influence on the case.

 

[Rion]

You'd have a point if I ever once said Zimmerman was guilty and Martin was innocent, but I've not said that anywhere. In fact, I've defended Zimmerman's (and Martin's) right to innocence until guilt is proven.

So your assessment is pretty off-base.

Except the whole "we don't have sufficient evidence, but we are still going to make you prove your innocence" bit.

 

[DaisyDay]

According to the definition. legal or otherwise, he did not stalk him

[SIZE=-1]VERB:[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1]tr.[/SIZE]

1. To pursue by tracking stealthily.
2. To follow or observe (a person) persistently, especially out of obsession or derangement.
3. To go through (an area) in pursuit of prey or quarry.

verb

1. to follow or approach (game, prey, etc) stealthily and quietly
2. to pursue persistently and, sometimes, attack (a person with whom one is obsessed, often a celebrity)

Vocabulary.com

As a verb, stalk means to walk stiffly or angrily. If someone insults you, you might stalk from the room and refuse to listen to another word. When hunting, an animal stalks its prey — it follows its quarry stealthily until it's time to pounce. Similarly, if a person stalks you, they follow and watch you. It is very threatening and frightening to the one who is being stalked, and the police should be called.​

verb

1. [transitive] to follow and watch someone all the time in a threatening way, because of an extremely strong interest in them
   He had continued stalking her despite a warning from the police.
   The suspects complained of being stalked by photographers wherever they went.
   ​
2. [transitive] to hunt a person or animal by following them without being seen
   Gunmen stalked and killed several political activists.
   She watched a cat stalking a bird in the garden.​

And that's just the first few. So, you either disagree with the dictionaries' definitions or you are claiming that Zimmerman did not watch or follow Martin persistently.

 

[jpcedotal]

I think I am siding with Zimmerman on this. I think Martin was casing houses, saw Zimmerman following him, jumped Zimmerman, beat the heck out of him, and got his butt shot for it...

sounds pretty legit to me.

 

[razeontherock]

And that's just the first few. So, you either disagree with the dictionaries' definitions or you are claiming that Zimmerman did not watch or follow Martin persistently.

How 'bout we acknowledge that Z was on a neighborhood watch, which would by definition, watch persistently? And in this case, if he did not follow he felt M would get away, perhaps to rob?

How 'bout we acknowledge that stalking is a legal term, and Z did not violate that statute?

 

[razeontherock]

I think I am siding with Zimmerman on this. I think Martin was casing houses, saw Zimmerman following him, jumped Zimmerman, beat the heck out of him, and got his butt shot for it...

sounds pretty legit to me.

Why would M need to be "stalking houses?" How 'bout just deciding to teach the old man a lesson?

 

[suzybeezy]

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[FreeinChrist]

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