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Transvestitism?
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tammym1972
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The thing that confuses me here is that men and women basically dressed the same in Bible times. Both wore robes.
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There may some truth to the hypothesis that, in our culture, because masculinity is prized, it is ok for a woman to dress like a man because she is imitating something greater, but repulsive for a man to do the reverse because he is lowering himself. Misogynistic? Yes. Hopelessly outdated? You betcha. (although, I'm sure, tehre are still some people sexist and backwards enough to buy into that, I don't think it's the primary explanation for the prejudice). But there may still be a connection between the idea of male superiority and how transvestitism is percieved. Men are very strongly encouraged to conform to social male norms, and since judgementalism and confrontationalism are part of those norms, the reaction to anyone that rebukes the norm so flagrantly is going to be very hostile.
Also, the cultural portrayal of transvestites is usually very negative, equating them less then half a step away from rapists and child molesters. Unfortunately, when sexuality is such a taboo subject, it becomes very hard to separate fact from idiotic myth because nobody has the opportunity to learn the truth.
Also, the cultural portrayal of transvestites is usually very negative, equating them less then half a step away from rapists and child molesters. Unfortunately, when sexuality is such a taboo subject, it becomes very hard to separate fact from idiotic myth because nobody has the opportunity to learn the truth.
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I don't think there is anything wrong with dressing up as the other gender as long as you don't falsely represent yourself as the other gender to someone you are choosing to be intimate with.
But if a guy in a dress wants to be called "She" it's fine with me, as long as I know it's a he underneath.
But if a guy in a dress wants to be called "She" it's fine with me, as long as I know it's a he underneath.
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Blame it on the SOCK GNOMES!
The thing is, what gives people the perception that clothing has a sex, either masculine or feminine, is wholly based on the particular society and culture that that person is from.
I agree that willful deception with the intent to cause harm is not a good idea. But what of those who simply feel they are being more authentic to their spiritual selves rather than their external biology? Or those who just feel drawn to the arbitrary cultural definition of the sexuality of clothing?
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Which is why I said this is not a discussion about gender preference but about clothing preference...
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But that's rather the issue: a transvestite doesn't want to be called by the opposite sexual terms, they just like the clothes. Eddie Izzard, for example, makes no bones about being male. He just likes women's clothes and makeup.
A transgender/genderqueer individual objects to their biological sex, and may very well prefer to be referred to as another gender. It's easy to conflate "transvestite," "transgender," and "transsexual," but they refer to very different things.
But this thread isn't about gender identification any more than it's about sexual orientation. It's just about the clothing.
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two things i have to say.
japanese males definetly dress more feminine than other males.
and eddie Izzard.
We say Herb with an H because it has a freakin H in it.
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It'd be quite weird to suddenly see my best friend, who is male, put on a prom dress and high heels. However, it wouldn't be wrong. I think that sociey does need to change, though. Pink tutus to fit a manly figure? Why the heck not, I say!
I prefer to wear clothes that aren't gender-specific. Quite a bit of it has to do with modesty in my case though.
I prefer to wear clothes that aren't gender-specific. Quite a bit of it has to do with modesty in my case though.
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Yet, shrimp and lobster are called abominations in the Bible and Christians have no problem eating them. And then there is the entire list, such as not cutting your hair (or at least the sideburns), that is typically brought up in the homosexuality debates. The fact is that Christians only bring up Leviticus when they don't like something but they do not follow the Law of Moses -- which is largely what Leviticus and Deuteronomy are defining. So why should the prohibition of wearing clothes of the opposite sex still be in effect?
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you know, for kids!
Ha, you beat me to it! I love Eddie Izzard. I can't decide whether he's hotter in men's or women's clothing.
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"Ahahaha, it's a bloke in a dress! Nerrrrr!"
"Yes, and?"
"Aaah, it's a bloke in a dress.."
"Yes, I am, what of it?"
"Haha, a, er, a bloke in a... He's a bit confident for a bloke in a dress, isn't he?"
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