Transsexual Sin?

[kdet]

I noticed that no one wanted to address the issue of hermaphrodites, who have the organs of both male and female. Since they were created by god that way, should they remain somewhere inbetween genders, or are they allowed to pick one and have a transexual operation?

tough one, isn't it?

I can only say that if it was my child born that way, I would have to pray to God and let Him lead me in this.

 

[vajradhara]

I noticed that no one wanted to address the issue of hermaphrodites, who have the organs of both male and female. Since they were created by god that way, should they remain somewhere inbetween genders, or are they allowed to pick one and have a transexual operation?

tough one, isn't it?

Namaste tcampen,

have you ever seen those medical expose shows? i happened to have the chance to catch one last month that was dealing with the topic of partial genitailia and ressesive genitalia. in the latter case the genitalia are so underformed that the sex is nearly impossible to determine. in many recorded cases the Dr.'s, making decisions for the parents and the baby, would simply chop a bit off or cut and tuck in such a way as to produce a protuberance... and then simply relate to the family that the baby was a boy or girl, even though they may have been born another sex! they tell the parents to raise the child as a boy or girl for in doing otherwise the child will suffer terribly due to their physical condition.

i don't know that i'd call them "between" genders, which sort of connotates no sexual organs... rather, i'd call them "both genders" for they usually have both sexual organs.

 

[tcampen]

vajradhara,

That is a great point. Should the person whose natural genitalia could resprent either gender be precluded from deciding which gender to be, and then electing to have surgery to be as much that gender as possible.

Those who have been critical of transgendered individuals and their decision to be so have been conspicuously quiet on this scenario. If surgically changing one's gender is morally wrong, then is the above situation with the hermaphrodite picking a gender also wrong? It seems that if the same arguments used against transexuals were applied to hermaphrodites, then the hermaphrodite would be forced to accept their gender duality as being the way "god intended" and live a gender-ambiguous life.

To me its a no brainer. Let the individual decide what they want to be.

 

[panterapat]

So the ACT can only be "used for special occasions?" I can understand a honeymoon or the wedding night itself, but are anniverseries a good enough occasion? How about birthdays, or are we limited to religious holidays like Easter or Christmas? So just feeling a bit frisky isn't quite good enough to warrant the ACT, even between married couples?

Talk about the pendulum swinging. We just went from an animalistic interpretation of the ACT to an almost purely ceremonial concept, And what about those sects beyond Catholicism? Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.

No anology is perfect. The ACT is reserved for the spouse. Not to be used where a life-long commitment has not been ratified through matrimony in the eyes of the community and of God.

Sex is not good-
Apple pie is good.

Sex is not great-
Frosted Flakes are great.

Sex is sacred!!!

We enter into the creative life of God when our ACT is open to new life.

In Christ, Patrick

 

[tcampen]

No anology is perfect. The ACT is reserved for the spouse. Not to be used where a life-long commitment has not been ratified through matrimony in the eyes of the community and of God.

Sex is not good-
Apple pie is good.

Sex is not great-
Frosted Flakes are great.

Sex is sacred!!!

We enter into the creative life of God when our ACT is open to new life.

In Christ, Patrick

If you don't think sex is great, then perhaps you're not familiar with the ACT. It can be good, great AND sacred.

So are civil unions or marriages performed in non-christian religions ratified in the eyes of God? Or is it just Christian marriages? If the latter, then there are a lot of adulters out there. - In fact, that would mean most people. Oooopppps.

 

[panterapat]

It depends on your heart. If for instance you are a Catholic and get married outside of the Church you are in sin. But for those who marry in a civil ceremony, and are not bound by religious laws, I,m sure that God recognizes their union.

 

[panterapat]

"If you don't think sex is great, then perhaps you're not familiar with the ACT. It can be good, great AND sacred."

My point is that sacred is so far beyond good and great that those descriptions are not adequate.

 

[tcampen]

"If you don't think sex is great, then perhaps you're not familiar with the ACT. It can be good, great AND sacred."

My point is that sacred is so far beyond good and great that those descriptions are not adequate.

We'll have to agree to disagree on this one. Sacred, alone, is not adequate either. Just speaking from experience, that's all.