Transsexual Sin?

[Washington]

In as much as so many Christians consider homosexual acts to be sins, how about transsexuals? Some transsexuals prefer to have sex with those of their new gender, i.e. male-to-females having sex with females, and female-to-males having sex with males. Granted, such relationships are not the norm among transsexuals, but there are a fair amount of them. But, that aside, would such transsexual relationships be a sin?

 

[Tempest]

Are you trying to tell us something? just kidding...i wouldn't even know where to start on that...biblically, i think there's something sinful about that.

 

[Washington]

Obviously, others here are just as much at a loss to address the issue. I was hoping that, lacking any clear Biblical directive, someone would rise to the challenge and and least try to think the issue through to some sort of conclusion. Far too often Christians rely on Biblical verse rather than rational principles to guide their decisions, and when confronted by an extrabiblical problem they are, as you say you are, at sea as to what to think. This is not a condemnation, just an observation.

 

[Blindfaith]

What's with the obsession with sex around here?

 

[Washington]

What's with the obsession with sex around here?

Gotta hope you're kidding.

 

[Blindfaith]

I see so many threads regarding sex, I have to wonder at times..............

 

[Washington]

I see so many threads regarding sex, I have to wonder at times

Kind of like your avatar?

 

[Blindfaith]

Oh my goodness.

I don't equate Taz with hearts all around him with sex......sheesh..........

 

[TCapp]

People who mutilate their bodies and pretend to change gender are sick (by that I mean ill), broken, and are damaging their flesh. I think that is sin in itself. Their problems are in their heats and minds, not their members.


Also, it goes against the natural design of the body and the reproductive system. That cannot be healthy or good. So, on that note, I would say that the behavior is sinful.

 

[Washington]

Pray4Isrel,

"To me the Bible is rational "

Fine, then perhaps you might like to answer my question,......... and with a rational answer that really addresses the question.

 

[panterapat]

Any act of impurity such as immodesty, maritial relations out side of marriage, lust, etc. is sinful. Transsexual relationships would fit this catagory.

Now about transvestites? Is this sinful? IMO it could be sinful in that one is rejecting the gender that God gave to them with an inordinate desire to be the opposite sex. There could be midigating circumstances such as psychological problems etc. But that is for God to judge. (as in all things)

In Christ, Patrick

 

[gqaggie04]

I will attempt to give a rational answer using the rational Bible.

I believe that Romans 1:24-28 would provide us with principles governing transsexuality.

Rom 1:24 Wherefore God gave them up in the lusts of their hearts unto uncleanness, that their bodies should be dishonored among themselves:
Rom 1:25 for that they exchanged the truth of God for a lie, and worshipped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.
Rom 1:26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile passions: for their women changed the natural use into that which is against nature:
Rom 1:27 and likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another, men with men working unseemliness, and receiving in themselves that recompense of their error which was due.
Rom 1:28 And even as they refused to have God in their knowledge, God gave them up unto a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not fitting; ASV

Verse 24 speaks of not dishonoring one's body. The Greek word for dishonor means to render infamous, that is, (by implication) contempt or maltreat: - despise, dishonour, suffer shame, entreat shamefully.

Altering ones gender would seem to me to be dishonoring one's body.

Additionally, if someone actually altered their gender and then engaged in sexual relations with someone of their new gender, then that would be homosexuality. And you admitted such as being wrong.

 

[Washington]

panterapat,

You say:
"Any act of impurity such as immodesty, maritial relations out side of marriage, lust, etc. is sinful. Transsexual relationships would fit this category."

I would appreciate it if would would explain just HOW or WHY a transsexual relationship fits any of these categories and is therefore sinful.

Thanks

 

[foolsparade]

the bottom line Washington is Christians believe that being a transsexual is a sin and you will be punished for it. Heck even having lust in your mind is a sin according to these fundy's. Don't sweat it, because sin is just a concept used to make people fell guilty.

 

[feral]

People who mutilate their bodies and pretend to change gender are sick (by that I mean ill), broken, and are damaging their flesh. I think that is sin in itself. Their problems are in their heats and minds, not their members.


Also, it goes against the natural design of the body and the reproductive system. That cannot be healthy or good. So, on that note, I would say that the behavior is sinful.

you believe that a physical change of gender is wrong? then what about coloring your hair, or getting plastic (cosmetic) surgery? if someone is badly burnt, and that is not how they view themselves...and they decide to have reconstructive surgery...is that wrong because god made them that way? if someone wants larger breasts, they go against the natural body...is that sick? i don't view transexual surgery as anything different. you are chaging externally to match the way you see yourself and to make the outside appear how the inside feels. i don't see anything wrong with that...although i admit it is drastic and requires planning and thought.

i wonder what you think of scarification...?

to washington...i don't see anything wrong with transexuals or anyone else loving, dating, marrying or sleeping with any consenting adult of their choosing. i hope that transexuals, who face a lot of antagonism socially, are able to find caring partners and experience love.

 

[Jet Black]

People who mutilate their bodies and pretend to change gender are sick (by that I mean ill), broken, and are damaging their flesh. I think that is sin in itself. Their problems are in their heats and minds, not their members.

do you have equal views on tattoos, ear piercing and so on? do you cut your hair?

 

[Jet Black]

Now about transvestites? Is this sinful? IMO it could be sinful in that one is rejecting the gender that God gave to them with an inordinate desire to be the opposite sex.

transvestites merely wear clothes and take on the apprearence of of the opposite gender, this does not go hand in hand with a desire to actually be the opposite gender. Only transsexuals actually want to be the opposite gender - and remember that God gave them this desire too. Furthermore, scans of many transsexual brains show brain activity typical to the gender they desire to be, in effect, it is a brain in the body of the opposite gender.

 

[Jet Black]

Altering ones gender would seem to me to be dishonoring one's body.

it is not explicitly stated though. It is only dishonoring from your perspective. people who change their gender are perhaps honouring their bodies more than if they remained as they are, because then they actually appreciate their bodies.

 

[JillLars]

Ok, just to clarify we are talking about a situation in which a man, would dress up like a woman, and then sleep with a woman, correct (or vice versa)?

In this case I would have to say that its not sinful. Assuming a few things, that they are either legally married, or have otherwise made a life-long committment to one another, and both parties are aware that one party is dressing up, in other words, there's no deception like you see on Jerry Springer. What a committed couple does in their own bedroom is none of our business, and they aren't going against the natural process or anything because underneath the clothes its still male and female.

 

[Jet Black]

Ok, just to clarify we are talking about a situation in which a man, would dress up like a woman, and then sleep with a woman, correct (or vice versa)?

no, it is not a matter of just dressing up. A transsexual is someone who has hormonal and surgical treatment to make their body into one (or at least closely resembling) of the opposite gender.

confusing transsexuals and transvestites is a common problem, and it has cropped up at least twice in this topic alone. the two conditions are entirely different.