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Transhumanism is defined as "the belief or theory that the human race can evolve beyond its current physical and mental limitations, especially by means of science and technology".

What are your guys' thoughts on this? Personally I think that if done right and so it's widespread for everyone (without just a few people having control over it and the like), I feel like improving ourselves with technology and such would be great. I'd want a bionic eye anyway providing no damage would be done to my other one. XD

I know that some say "it's man trying to become God", but I wouldn't say we'd become like God unless we could create things in the blink of an eye or the like, which we can't do because physics. Improving ourselves through our endeavors shouldn't be a problem if it's done so it's available to everyone and people can't abuse it.
 

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You are forgetting one thing. If we consider ourselves Christians we accept that we as humans are sinners. There was only one sinless person (and one is enough) that was human as well as divine - Jesus Christ. Only he was impecable.

I would say that any belief which is not grounded in faith, should not be regarded as plausable by Christians. Because if we are scientists only, then we are not wholly Christians.

And, btw. there is no such thing as perfect, or is there?
 
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"Transhumanism is defined as "the belief or theory that the human race can evolve beyond its current physical and mental limitations, especially by means of science and technology".

Really depends whether you believe that evolution is possible and that incorporating computors or machines with humans, other than for replacing lost limbs/functions, is desirable.

In Christianity we are dealing with a Spiritual reality that secular science does not recognise exists. So an improved more evolved Christian is not possible.
 
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You are forgetting one thing. If we consider ourselves Christians we accept that we as humans are sinners. There was only one sinless person (and one is enough) that was human as well as divine - Jesus Christ. Only he was impecable.

I would say that any belief which is not grounded in faith, should not be regarded as plausable by Christians. Because if we are scientists only, then we are not wholly Christians.

And, btw. there is no such thing as perfect, or is there?


Just because we as humans may be sinners doesn't mean we can't improve ourselves. In days past, like in Biblical times, we couldn't spread information easily, cultures were more isolated, diseases were rampant, women were seen as inferior, and slavery was a-OK. Now? It's not the case. So much has improved since those days, and if he didn't focus on trying to make things better we'd still be in those dark ages of thought and knowledge. There's nothing wrong with knowing more and trying to make things better.
 
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"Transhumanism is defined as "the belief or theory that the human race can evolve beyond its current physical and mental limitations, especially by means of science and technology".

Really depends whether you believe that evolution is possible and that incorporating computors or machines with humans, other than for replacing lost limbs/functions, is desirable.

In Christianity we are dealing with a Spiritual reality that secular science does not recognise exists. So an improved more evolved Christian is not possible.


I see it as meaning things like, say, allowing us to live longer through technology advancements, or healing people who need it, or helping people who don't have great sight or hearing to get those abilities back (I could use a bionic eye). Not "theory of evolution" type of evolution, just making improvements.
 
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We already use technology to keep people alive and to improve the quality of their life.

I see nothing wrong with this or the likely improved gadgets that will be developed.

These are not making people transhuman, at least not untill we start approaching the 6 million dollar man scenario.
 
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I know that some say "it's man trying to become God", but I wouldn't say we'd become like God unless we could create things in the blink of an eye or the like, which we can't do because physics.
I don't consider the billions of years that science has proven that it took to create the universe including the Earth and to finally get around to create people a blink of an eye. Well, maybe for him but for us that's a heck of long time.
 
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We already use technology to keep people alive and to improve the quality of their life.

I see nothing wrong with this or the likely improved gadgets that will be developed.

These are not making people transhuman, at least not untill we start approaching the 6 million dollar man scenario.


6 million dollar man is one of those series I really should watch by the sound of it, it seems right up my alley. XD

I don't consider the billions of years that science has proven that it took to create the universe including the Earth and to finally get around to create people a blink of an eye. Well, maybe for him but for us that's a heck of long time.


True that, I was more directing that at those who think creation was done literally in six days.
 
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"Transhumanism is defined as "the belief or theory that the human race can evolve beyond its current physical and mental limitations, especially by means of science and technology".

Really depends whether you believe that evolution is possible and that incorporating computors or machines with humans, other than for replacing lost limbs/functions, is desirable.

In Christianity we are dealing with a Spiritual reality that secular science does not recognise exists. So an improved more evolved Christian is not possible.
If a Christian is made more efficient in preaching the gospel via technology, isn't he an improved Christian?
 
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Just because we as humans may be sinners doesn't mean we can't improve ourselves. In days past, like in Biblical times, we couldn't spread information easily, cultures were more isolated, diseases were rampant, women were seen as inferior, and slavery was a-OK. Now? It's not the case. So much has improved since those days, and if he didn't focus on trying to make things better we'd still be in those dark ages of thought and knowledge. There's nothing wrong with knowing more and trying to make things better.

Let bygones be bygons...

What if robots take over? ;)
 
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If a Christian is made more efficient in preaching the gospel via technology, isn't he an improved Christian?

Chances are technology will soon claim that God does not exist, so we should not rely too much on it, I'd say.
 
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"If a Christian is made more efficient in preaching the gospel via technology, isn't he an improved Christian?"

Christianity is far more than having a bluetooth implant and being able to broadcast a surmon ovet the net.
 
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Let bygones be bygons...

What if robots take over? ;)


If robots take over then it could be said to be our own fault since we programmed them in a way that might cause them to take over.

If they and humans could work together though then it wouldn't be bad if we could all get along and improve ourselves/the world/universe.
 
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I feel like improving ourselves with technology and such would be great. I'd want a bionic eye anyway providing no damage would be done to my other one.
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If robots take over then it could be said to be our own fault since we programmed them in a way that might cause them to take over.

If they and humans could work together though then it wouldn't be bad if we could all get along and improve ourselves/the world/universe.

It goes waaay beyond programming...things turn for the worse...it's just how things go with technology in general (armament races etc.). So, it's clear that I cannot say I am an optimist on this one, I'm afraid.
 
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What are your guys' thoughts on this?
If I remember my studies correctly on the New Age Movement, dolphins are considered a race above us humans.

Darwin on SeaQuest 2032 was one such transhuman; often rendering assistance as needed.
 
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Transhumanism is defined as "the belief or theory that the human race can evolve beyond its current physical and mental limitations, especially by means of science and technology".

What are your guys' thoughts on this? Personally I think that if done right and so it's widespread for everyone (without just a few people having control over it and the like), I feel like improving ourselves with technology and such would be great. I'd want a bionic eye anyway providing no damage would be done to my other one. XD

I know that some say "it's man trying to become God", but I wouldn't say we'd become like God unless we could create things in the blink of an eye or the like, which we can't do because physics. Improving ourselves through our endeavors shouldn't be a problem if it's done so it's available to everyone and people can't abuse it.

Transhumanism and interfacing will allow you to do things physics says should be impossible for humans - like telekinesis, telepathy, technopathy, healing factors, durability, etc. The commentary on the possibility in physics is a result on our own shortcomings in understanding the laws of the natural world. If we can't figure it out with our science, then it is not possible. This is a myopic view of the natural world, but has dominated academia.

Transhumanism has been existent since the antediluvian world. It was one of the reasons God destroyed almost everyone - because people were manipulating their genetics in order to be something other than a natural human.

If you naturally mutate like an X-Man, or an "eclipse" happens and "activates" latent potential, then that is a completely different story.

If we are talking about manually altering the genetics of an organism in order to propentiate and increase the natural abilities of a human (or provide "new" ones,) then I believe that is absolutely dangerous.

There will NEVER be enough ethical finesse in treating transhumanism. It exists now in various militaries; when introduced on a consumer level, it will categorically create a cliche war between "natural" humans, and altered humans.

Letting other humans who share the same magnitude of error as the next person change your genetics seems reckless; there will be NO WAY of ascertaining the ethics of such a thing. No way.

Also, it would such if those people in the bible whose tongues dissolved in their mouths - who begged for death but couldn't find it - were "altered humans" with a healing factor. So, for something like a massive ejection of charged particles, or a fire, or even a war zone - those who are altered humans for the sake of longevity will not "die" like regular humans would. They would heal, feel the pain, heal, etc. until either the rate of destruction outpaces the rate of regeneration, or the event is over. (Altered humans for longevity, for example, may not even undergo the merciful biological process of shock.)

And, that is just altering for longevity - which has already been introduced into the mainstream consumer market. Interfacing your brain with technology is begging to have your brain hacked. And, don't forget developers of the technology will be sure to attach objects of further commercial generation - everything from advertisements to directives.

Transhumanism is a very dangerous thing even if you are not a theist. I would never trust another human to alter my genetics, or to treat transhumanism as ethical as all of us would require.
 
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It goes waaay beyond programming...things turn for the worse...it's just how things go with technology in general (armament races etc.). So, it's clear that I cannot say I am an optimist on this one, I'm afraid.


I'm cautiously optimistic. I hope things will be okay in the future and we should aim for it to be so, but at the same time we should be very cautious. We should control the technology, not let it control us.
 
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Transhumanism and interfacing will allow you to do things physics says should be impossible for humans - like telekinesis, telepathy, technopathy, healing factors, durability, etc. The commentary on the possibility in physics is a result on our own shortcomings in understanding the laws of the natural world. If we can't figure it out with our science, then it is not possible. This is a myopic view of the natural world, but has dominated academia.

Transhumanism has been existent since the antediluvian world. It was one of the reasons God destroyed almost everyone - because people were manipulating their genetics in order to be something other than a natural human.

If you naturally mutate like an X-Man, or an "eclipse" happens and "activates" latent potential, then that is a completely different story.

If we are talking about manually altering the genetics of an organism in order to propentiate and increase the natural abilities of a human (or provide "new" ones,) then I believe that is absolutely dangerous.

There will NEVER be enough ethical finesse in treating transhumanism. It exists now in various militaries; when introduced on a consumer level, it will categorically create a cliche war between "natural" humans, and altered humans.

Letting other humans who share the same magnitude of error as the next person change your genetics seems reckless; there will be NO WAY of ascertaining the ethics of such a thing. No way.

Also, it would such if those people in the bible whose tongues dissolved in their mouths - who begged for death but couldn't find it - were "altered humans" with a healing factor. So, for something like a massive ejection of charged particles, or a fire, or even a war zone - those who are altered humans for the sake of longevity will not "die" like regular humans would. They would heal, feel the pain, heal, etc. until either the rate of destruction outpaces the rate of regeneration, or the event is over. (Altered humans for longevity, for example, may not even undergo the merciful biological process of shock.)

And, that is just altering for longevity - which has already been introduced into the mainstream consumer market. Interfacing your brain with technology is begging to have your brain hacked. And, don't forget developers of the technology will be sure to attach objects of further commercial generation - everything from advertisements to directives.

Transhumanism is a very dangerous thing even if you are not a theist. I would never trust another human to alter my genetics, or to treat transhumanism as ethical as all of us would require.


You have a very good point there about the "constantly healing" thing.
 
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