No feelings are.Transgender is not as simple as choosing to act in a particular way.
and faith in Christ destroys wrong thinking. You know believers conform all thoughts to Christ. The person may have feelings one way or the other but as trhe scripture says the believer honours God with their body it is not their own it is bought at a priceIt's a deeprooted belief, normally built up over several decades, that a person should not be the gender they were born with.
Earlier on in that chapter it says not to lay with one's mother. Do you think that is not talking about incest?
Well, no, I am not wrong. Jesus said a man who lusts after a woman has committed adultery already which does not down play the law of "Thou shall not commit adultery. It reinforces the idea that we must guard our thoughts just as much, if not more, than our actions for it is our thoughts that lead into our actions.No, it's talking about not laying with a man as one would with a woman. You're welcome to your belief that it must be about homosexuality, but since it's possible to be a homosexual without "laying with a man as one would with a woman," you're wrong.
The whole "act" thing counts for the consummation of all the thoughts. So, in essence, it is the fulfillment of the attraction.Romantic and physical attraction to people of the same gender as oneself.
The body is organic, so taking care of it is different than taking care of a computer, but many of the fundamental concepts upon which they operate are the same. Your body uses electrical signals, just like a circuit, and DNA is a combination of executable code that runs processes and stores data, just like a computer operating system. The major difference, however, is that people have choice. There is no hardwired behavior in humans. As I just mentioned, there are things that can cause a person to be tempted or enticed to make a certian choice, but they still have the ability to choose.
19 Do you not know that your body is a temple of the Holy Spirit, who is in you, whom you have received from God? You are not your own; 20 you were bought at a price. Therefore honor God with your body.
You argued that it was hardwired, which it is not, it is a choice. You can choose to act as a male or you can choose to act as a female.
That is a very unfair comparison to say that the sex of a child is a birth defect and then comparing that to an obvious malformed heart. Missing a brain? Birth defect. Missing legs? Birth defect. Too many legs? Birth defect. One penis? Not a birth defect. Both organs? Defect. One or the other? Not a defect.I must confess I'm astonished at the profound lack of compassion on this board and in so many church congregations. People born with a birth defect they did not ask for are told to 'suck it up' and just suffer, by people who cannot possibly relate to what they are going through. And those most condemning of them fall back on a comforting refusal to believe it is a birth defect, despite all evidence to the contrary, simply because they can't make a defect like this fit into the little God box they've built.
How about we let these people handle their infirmity the same way we'd allow a parent to determine whether and how to deal with a child's birth defect. I doubt anyone here would go up to the worried parent of a baby born with a septal defect in her heart and say, "we really think you should leave the child the way God made her and not correct this." Good grief.
Do you think being condescending will help heal anyone?And at this point, if any of this comes across as condescending, fine.
That is a very unfair comparison to say that the sex of a child is a birth defect and then comparing that to an obvious malformed heart. Missing a brain? Birth defect. Missing legs? Birth defect. Too many legs? Birth defect. One penis? Not a birth defect. Both organs? Defect. One or the other? Not a defect.
Do you think being condescending will help heal anyone?
In Christ, GB
That is a very unfair comparison to say that the sex of a child is a birth defect and then comparing that to an obvious malformed heart. Missing a brain? Birth defect. Missing legs? Birth defect. Too many legs? Birth defect. One penis? Not a birth defect. Both organs? Defect. One or the other? Not a defect.
Do you think being condescending will help heal anyone?
In Christ, GB
Wha-huh? You are going to compare drugs given BY humans TO humans and tell me that that is the same as a natural birth defect? Giving anyone cyanide would cause adverse side effects, yet its not a natural birth defect.You may want to do more research on that. Check out endocrine disrupting drugs and what they do to a fetus.
Olliefranz,
Stop. If the sex has really changed and it is a woman the person will have the function to reproduce. If not it will be a malfunction, not a dysfunction.
That is a very unfair comparison to say that the sex of a child is a birth defect and then comparing that to an obvious malformed heart.
Do you think being condescending will help heal anyone?
Wha-huh? You are going to compare drugs given BY humans TO humans and tell me that that is the same as a natural birth defect? Giving anyone cyanide would cause adverse side effects, yet its not a natural birth defect.
That is a very unfair comparison to say that the sex of a child is a birth defect and then comparing that to an obvious malformed heart. Missing a brain? Birth defect. Missing legs? Birth defect. Too many legs? Birth defect. One penis? Not a birth defect. Both organs? Defect. One or the other? Not a defect.
Baby steps (Lord, give strength) Baby Steps
Will you at least agree that Androgen Insensitivity Syndrome is a birth defect? That is if someone is genetically male, but his body can't process testosterone, and so at the crucial periods during gestation, it can not use the testosterone to change the body, and the baby is born with the outward genitalia of a female. The testes don't decend and appear to be small misshapen ovaries. But no uterus is formed. No uterus means no menses. Insensitivity to the testosterone produced by the testes also means puberty is delayed, weak, or non-existent.
Surely you don't consider this to be a conscious decision the fetus made, do you?
Baby Steps
What about the case where the mother has a hormone imbalance, and the womb is flooded with estrogen during those same crucial moments during gestation? The baby is born as above, but when the testes start producing testosterone, the young girl does go through puberty -- male puberty.
Still a birth defect, or a choice the fetus made? Or maybe the little girl chose to undergo male puberty?
Baby Steps
Same scenario as above, except that the estrogen flood only occurs during one of the crucial stages of gestation. Either the baby is born physically similar to the above, or is born with a "normal" male body, but in either case, the brain developed the structures and biochemistry of the gender opposite that of the body. The "girl" without a womb thinks like a boy, or the boy thinks like a girl. The differences are apparent from the age of two -- or earlier.
So did the two year old consciously decide to start thinking and acting like the "wrong" gender just because he or she thought it would be cool to maybe someday face the second choice between SRS and suicide?
So let me understand you correctly. Because something man made was introduced into the fetal blood supply preventing a hormonal flow from completing the circuitry you would argue it is not a "Birth defect?"
Alcohol is bad for unborn babies. They tell mamas not to drink. Cocaine is bad for unborn babies. They tell mamas not to smoke crack. Even ciggies are bad for unborn babies. They tell mamas not to smoke. Are you starting to see a trend here? Mamas shouldn't do stuff that would be bad for babies.
Defects happen, I understand that. When defects happen naturally, that's one thing. You are talking about something from "The Island of Doctor Moreau".
In Christ,GB
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