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Transcript of Kirk's killer's messages has been revealed

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But not really right? There HAVE been a few studies that question the WPATH but it hasn't been DISPROVEN yet. And frankly, those doctors tend to sound pretty ideological.

The biggest complaint is that "there is not enough research yet". Okay. Fair enough. This is a new field. However, that doesn't mean it's disproven.
And in the meantime, we need a treatment that keeps the most children alive.
They need mental health care to work through the issues and cope with the problems that come with the condition,
That that is a strict part of the treatment path.

providing they are REALLY trans and not suffering from other problems or trauma that has led them down the trans pathway.
I am a MILLION % down with encouraging and treating the trauma any of these kiddoes could have gone through. The 3 trans people I know had SIGNFIICANT trauma's in their life but were never in a financial position to be able to get enough therapeutic support to really get into that.


They may just be autogynaphelia.
And of COURSE they couldn't tell the difference so of course that is a reasonable other possible explanation.



Also a question:

You DO know what it means when the word "disorder" is included right? Body dysmorphia disorder.
 
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Sometimes they do actually.
I suppose you are talking about when a child has two sex organs. Yeah that can happen. But we aren't talking about that. We are talking about the transgendered who have the sex organs of a single sex. Which means they are just recognized as the sex they were born as. Its obvious. The doctors don't see a girl and then decide to call her a boy. They dont agonize over it.
 
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There have been intersexed people improperly labelled by doctors because their anatomy was unclear. I don't feel a need to go into too much detail but if needed, I could I guess.

To be honest, I DO think I know REALLY who you are trying to describe. My only point is that there is, LITERALLY, no black and white and that even THAT phrase is not exactly true.
 
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If you don't accept the reality that's is us vs. them then you just have your head in the sand.
Are you aware that Newsom is the leading contender to be the next Democrat presidential candidate? Smart move on his part.
 
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I didn't say anything about gender.
 
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No its not. It hasnt been proven to be effective. But even so, adults can still do it.
Do you happen to know what the "regret rate" is for gender reassignment surgery and do you think the regret rate is important?

Do you know how it compares to other surgeries; Cosmetic OR medical?
 
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Again. 99% are easily identified. The rest already have medical diagnosis that already state whether they are male or female. Like a male with this condition, or a female with that condition. But we are not even talking about that are we. We are talking about an XX or an XY who think they are something else. So please dont deflect the point with more whatabouts.
 
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Why are there two sets of rules with this?
There aren't.
When that guy was targeting those Democratic lawmakers, I seem to recall statements to the effect of implying that it's the ideologies of the conservatives and their overall rhetoric that lead to those behaviors.
I'm at a loss as to why this is so difficult for some people to understand.

These tragic events don't happen in a vacuum. When Hoffman and Kirk were shot, they weren't random killings. Obviously. And they weren't shot by someone who supported what they each stood for. Again, rather obviously. Still with me so far? Good. So, as you said, it was 'the ideologies of the conservatives/liberals and their overall rhetoric that lead to those behaviors.' They were generally the reasons why some person was triggered to do what they did.

Now, here comes what appears to be the tricky bit for some. Those actions are not justified. Period. They don't represent the people who support those 'ideologies.' And the reason why someone does something doesn't excuse it.

I didn't like Kirk. I'd watched and read a lot about him long before his tragic shooting. His positions on any number of matters were in direct opposition to mine. And he didn't come across to me as a nice person either. I'm sure he was a great husband and loving father but I wouldn't have invited him over for a beer. But if I had and someone took offence at something he'd said and took a swing at him then I'd be angry at the guy who took that swing. He was, or should have been, free to say whatever he wanted to. And the guy who shot him doesn't represent anyone who thought that what he said was wrong on so many levels.

If his killer turns out to be a far left gay socialist, it doesn't matter in the slightest. If the guy who shot Hoffman was a rabid right wing MAGA supporter, it again doesn't matter in the slightest. Neither of them represent the right or the left.

'He was one of yours!'
'Oh no he wasn't. He must be one of yours!'

These are quite pathetic arguments.
 
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Or more succinctly, an entitled sense of "This thing that's important to me is so important, that it can't be left up to the will of the people at large"
Again, that might be the reason he did it. And one, it's not an excuse for doing it. And two, it only represents his twisted view. It's not the view of the rest of us. And I really do mean 'us'. You and me and everyone else on this forum and all other reasonable people who think that shooting anyone for their politics is madness.
 
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I know that mothers and fathers understands their children far better than someone who has never met them.
 
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This shows a complete ignorance of transgenderism and debate around sex assigned at birth. Everyone acknowledges that there are birth defects including chromosomal issues that create defects in the body. No one and I mean NO ONE is arguing differently.

We are talking about TRANSGENDERISM and sex at birth. No argument from the transgender crowd has claimed that xxy xxx people are transgendered. The claim is xx and xy are. That they are actually the opposite sex inside.

Doctors are well aware that chromosomal abnormalities can exist. Everyone does. In regard to transgenderism it is an irrelevant concept. There are ONLY TWO a sexes. There are not three or four. No one has identified a third sex. There is male and female. Thats it. And the fact that there can be an abnormality or defect doesn't change that. Just like we can say humans walk upright or have two arms and two eyes. A child born with only one arm doesn't make them something else.

And unless you want to try and make a claim that transgendered people have a chromsomal abnormality in regard to their sex then any point you are trying to.make is moot.
 
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I know that mothers and fathers understands their children far better than someone who has never met them.
But not better than an intimate partner
 
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You may not be.

Some are.


Intersex.
Types of Intersex Variations: What Qualifies, FAQs, and More

Sorry
 
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