Who is the "we" in your comment?
Benedicta, if you want to talk about me or accuse me of something, please at least use my name. I find it interesting how Im the enemy now when I'm trying to defend the Church... alrighty... I'm NOT defending the priests who abused children..but the Church *as a whole*, and Pope BenedictThis is the problem and why folks are mad but others want to use quotes from Mary and and make all these claims that Satan and hate is fueling the media to lie on the pope and everything else.
You have made false statements pertaining to me a few times and I blew them off.
You said I used to (past tense) defend the Church?? I still defend it and am defending it NOW against creeps in the Church bringing the Church down.
You said I'm condemning the pope
and now you claim I'm condemning all priest and bishops everywhere...
These are extreme statements and frankly I'm owed an apology.
others want to use quotes from Mary and and make all these claims that Satan and hate is fueling the media to lie on the pope and everything else.
MoNiCa4316 well isn't the media lying about the Pope? or would you agree that the Pope is guilty? God bless[/quote said:I think only God knows all the offending priest's and who was involved in the cover up and movement...
I think only God knows all the offending priest's and who was involved in the cover up and movement...
well isn't the media lying about the Pope? or would you agree that the Pope is guilty?
okay, but I personally believe that Pope Benedict is innocent
Monica, i accept you apology.
Innocent of what? never knowing about one single incident of abuse that was being covered up?
You really think he never knew of not even one incident that was being covered up?
It's not what did he know but rather what was he capable of doing that he may not have done...
I don't know but I will give him the benefit of the doubt and see where he goes with this now.
I believe he may have had is hands tied. But that says some things weren't right with the Church.
well I just don't believe that he sinned in the mattereither he tried to do something and was prevented, or we're not given all the information.. for example, in one of the cases, the priest was already removed from his duties by the diocese, and the Bishop asked the Pope if he should be laicized as well, and the Pope took his time answering but the priest was no longer a threat to anyone... or, in another case, (the priest who molested the deaf boys) - he was already dying when he was found out... so I don't believe that Pope Benedict did anything wrong on purpose, even if he made a mistake.
I was reading about how he met up with abuse victims on Sunday, and I think he's genuine about wanting to reform the Church.
Of course, when we fail to note that the abuse charges are really about predatary homosexuals and not about pedophilia at all, we tend to end up blaming the wrong things--like attempts to link the Mass that gave us great Saints for centuries to a scandal caused by the few sinful men who were not living up to their vows to God.
people received Communion on the tongue while a sharp edged golden plate was placed under their chins.
But you see, this is what has people upset because.. and I know you are young and only been Catholic a short time but as these scandals keep popping up over the years, you'll get tired of them too.
It's the idea that these men went unpunished for so many years, had free reign as if they were above justice and free access to children. It's not right and it will never be right and you mean to tell me that no one could get a grip on the situation and stop it? That tells us how incredibly messed up and abusive things were in a institution that belongs to God.
This purging is necessary if we are going to get rid of the evil that is blatantly, obviously in there.
Maybe Benedict needs to be made uncomfortable in order for him to realize that the old way of sweeping it all under the rug, protecting one another is not going to be accepted anymore.
These priest and bishops ever do something this criminal and evil again- they best be turned over and not 40 years later either when they are dying and no one can do anything to them.
it's a travesty of justice, and that is why folks are not accepting this.
The Mass that "gave us great Saints for centuries" didn't create great saints because it was said in Latin. Nor did it create great saints because the priest faced away from the people. Nor did it create great saints because people received Communion on the tongue while a sharp edged golden plate was placed under their chins.
The Mass that gave great saints is no different from the Mass we have today in its essence.
One thing I have always noticed about the great saints is their ability to adapt to change and new circumstances. Many were missionaries. Many faced situations in their lives that required them to make drastic changes. They didn't become saints by clinging to forms and practices that were no longer relevant or meaningful to the societies in which they lived.
There is a chapter in Acts where the disciples learn that it is not necessary for Christian converts to go through the Jewish procedure of circumcision....Change. New circumstances.
You have made false statements pertaining to me a few times and I blew them off.
You said I used to (past tense) defend the Church?? I still defend it and am defending it NOW against creeps in the Church bringing the Church down.
You said I'm condemning the pope and now you claim I'm condemning all priest and bishops everywhere...
These are extreme statements and frankly I'm owed an apology.
it was reverent..
what do you mean - "a shart edged golden plate was placed under their chins"? you made it sound like some torture devicethis is to prevent the Host from falling; it shows respect for the Blessed Sacrament. When I go to the Latin Mass they give out Communion this way, and it adds to the sense that we are truly receiving something holy.
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