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I dont know.rstrats said:
I keep seeing all this about ''Tradition'' and it seems that this ''Tradition" seems very much like the type of stuff that passage is speaking of.
Paul says let no one be your judge about those things.
So why would I let someone be my judge about things like ''Tradition"?
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tradidi is a Latin word, a verb, meaning "to pass down".
And from that we get the English "tradition".
"Tradition" (capital T) refers to those teachings passed down from Christ through His apostles. St. Paul mentions we are to hold fast to those things that he passes down tradidi to us.
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Your confusion, and it is not yours alone, is to equate all tradition as bad, i.e. "traditions are bad.".
Yet, assuredely those Holy Traditions, passed down from Christ through His apostles are good.
And from that we get the English "tradition".
"Tradition" (capital T) refers to those teachings passed down from Christ through His apostles. St. Paul mentions we are to hold fast to those things that he passes down tradidi to us.
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Your confusion, and it is not yours alone, is to equate all tradition as bad, i.e. "traditions are bad.".
Yet, assuredely those Holy Traditions, passed down from Christ through His apostles are good.
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KennySe said:
Pray, tell me what be these Holy Traditions passed down from Christ through His apostles? Once stated, then we shall see if they pass the test that the Word of God shall light upon them.
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pm37 said:
hehe lets beat this dead horse to a second death!
no Tradition contradicts scripture and can be found in scripture usually but sometimes it is vague. asking saints in heaven to pray for us is probably a good example of this. hebrews 12:1(maybe its 11:1) speaks of a cloud of witnesses around us and revelations 5:8 speaks of the prayers being delivered to God by people in heaven. so it vaguely talks of this and its not unbiblical in anyway. also 2 Thess 2:15 says "Therefore, brothers, stand firm and hold fast to the traditions that you were taught, either by an oral statement or by a letter of ours." which supports oral tradition. unlike sola scripture which is not supported by the bible.
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eh.
I think thats pushing the envelope on that one
Paul convieniently left out a LOT of stuff if thats the case.
Not sure Im buying that he or Christ didnt get recorded on all this ''Tradition'' that seems to be soooooo important to the christian faith by some.
How hard would it have been to toss in a few comments about praying to whatever ''saint'' or whatever else is ''Tradition"
Just seems to be too vague for me if its all that important to salvatoin.
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YahwehLove said:eh.
I think thats pushing the envelope on that one
Paul convieniently left out a LOT of stuff if thats the case.
Not sure Im buying that he or Christ didnt get recorded on all this ''Tradition'' that seems to be soooooo important to the christian faith by some.
How hard would it have been to toss in a few comments about praying to whatever ''saint'' or whatever else is ''Tradition"
Just seems to be too vague for me if its all that important to salvatoin.
well they did throw it in. it just wasnt wrote down. or maybe it was wrote down but it just wasnt in the letters selected for the NT canon. the bible isnt a book of "everything to believe" and it does not say that it is the sole authority. like i said no where in the bible does it teach sola scripture and it does say that we are to hold to the traditions taught by the apostles by oral and written words
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BjBarnett said:
Let us get to the root of the matter shall we? The Catholic church has many traditions. Arguments for these traditions have been refined over hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of years by staunch Catholics. The arguments have been solidified and anyone who has been a Catholic for even a short time speaks the same arguments. Putting this aside, how shall a man be just before God? Can you tell me?
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BjBarnett said:
yeah, we saw your verse.
Its pretty vague guy.
Sorry, but I cant base doctrine on something like that little bit.
You claim this is talkig about YOUR tradition.
I personally dont think that it is.
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YahwehLove said:
honest question here YahwehLove i hope this doesnt sound like a baiting question but...
what tradition do you think its talking about? or what do you think it means?
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BjBarnett said:
Well, seeing that no bible had been compiled at that point, Id say it was those things that were in Paul letters and such and things that he maybe didnt put in THAT letter (compared to say Romans).
Paul didnt write much in those letters to the Thessalonians.
So anything not written in THOSE letters to THEM that Paul say taught in Romans would have been ''by word'' to the Thessalonians.
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