Totally Against Everything Christian...

[MeekOne]

Hey Brothers and Sisters! I hope you don't mind me posting this here, but I have something that I believe we should be sharing with our Christian brothers and sisters so that maybe our voice can be loud enough that these wrong messages can be stopped before they get to the young minds of America. Please do not feel obligated to give to the organization (as I don't want to break any rules on CF), it will just help a lot if we all sign the petition:

June 19, 2006
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica][SIZE=+1]National Education Association Set to Endorse Homosexual Marriage[/SIZE][/FONT]

[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica][SIZE=-1]Teacher's union begins plans to promote homosexual marriage in public schools[/SIZE][/FONT]


[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica][SIZE=-1]Dear Christian,[/SIZE][/FONT]

[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica][SIZE=-1]The National Education Association is set to endorse homosexual marriage at their convention coming up in Orlando June 29 through July 6.[/SIZE][/FONT]
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The new NEA proposal essentially says schools should support and actively promote homosexual marriage and other forms of marriage (two men and one woman, three women, two women and three men, etc.) in their local schools.

The new proposal, expected to pass overwhelmingly, is found under the B-8 Diversity paragraph:

The Association... believes in the importance of observances, programs and curricula that accurately portray and recognize the roles, contributions, cultures, and history of these diverse groups and individuals.​

The Association believes that legal rights and responsibilities with regard to medical decisions, taxes, inheritance, adoption, legal immigration, domestic partnerships, and civil unions and/or marriage belong to all these diverse groups and individuals.​

Translated, that means the NEA will promote homosexual marriage in every avenue they have available, including textbooks, to all children at all age levels and without the permission or knowledge of parents. Their plans will include every public school in America.


Take Action:

[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica][SIZE=-1]First, please forward this to all parents with children in public schools. They need to be aware of the plans the NEA has to indoctrinate their children with their pro-homosexual, homosexual marriage agenda.

• Click here to send your email to your NEA state affiliate.

• Please forward this to public school teachers you know so they can be aware of the NEA's plans. In fact, their membership dues will be used to help implement the new NEA plan.

AFA encourages teachers who do not approve of their dues going to the NEA to find an alternative teacher's group to help them retain their benefits. Teachers might want to give the CEAI home page a look http://www.ceai.org/index.htm or find another alternative in their state.
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Thank you for caring enough to get involved.
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[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica][SIZE=-1]Sincerely,[/SIZE][/FONT]

[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica][SIZE=-1]Donald E. Wildmon, Founder and Chairman
American Family Association
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[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica][SIZE=-1]P.S. Please let all your family and friends know what is going on![/SIZE][/FONT]

 

[LovesTruth]

Yes, the AFA is a good group. Thanks for the heads up.

The AFA does good work in the name of Christ.

 

[Valentine]

MOD HAT ON:

This thread is being moved to Christian Philosphy/Ethics.

MOD HAT OFF.

 

[NeoScribe]

Never heard of the AFA but they seem like a good group.

 

[DaveS]

Hmm while I don't think homosexual marriage is necessarily a "bad" thing (please don't go into this) I do think it wrong to promote it while seemingly ignoring the traditional marriage. I don't think the promotion is needed for one as anyone who is gay and wants to get married will have already heard of gay marriage... IMO

 

[MeekOne]

Homosexuality is against God's Holy Word:

Sex is to be enjoyed within the context of a marriage between a man and a woman. That’s it! That’s the limit. Genesis 2:24-25 says, “Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh. And they were both naked, the man and his wife, and were not ashamed.” Hebrew 13:4 says, “Marriage is honorable in all, and the bed undefiled: but whoremongers and adulterers God will judge.” All sexual sins (i.e. promiscuity, adultery, homosexuality, prostitution, etc.) are sins because they do not conform to the limit of sex being a marital activity. Now of course some of you will point out the list of sexual activity prohibited by the Mosaic laws, but let’s not address those issues of the law from which Paul said we are now free. Instead, let’s stick to those ancient commands that endure eternal. To that end, the above-mentioned single rule is how we are to judge sexual morality.
The men of Sodom and Gomorrah were the first recorded in the Bible to face punishment for their sexual perversion. In Genesis chapter 19, we find two angels that pay a visit to Lot’s home in Sodom. In verse four, we find that “all the men from every part of Sodom” surrounded Lot’s house, and told Lot to bring out his visitors “so that we can have sex with them.” The pro-homosexual revisionist argues that the wickedness of Sodom and Gomorrah was that the residents wanted to commit an act of rape. That the rape would have been homosexual is not an issue, according to their argument. However, Jude 7 indicates that Sodom and Gomorrah’s punishment was due to their sexual perversion. Their sin was not simply one of violence (rape) but of sexual immorality (homosexuality). As further evidence of the sinful nature of homosexuality, Leviticus 18:22, and 20:13 both describe homosexuality as “an abomination.”
Contrary to the opinions of some, the Old Testament is not the only place in the Bible that condemns homosexuality. We previously mentioned Hebrews 13:4, where Paul exhorted us to honor the marriage bed and keep it pure. In Romans 1:26-27 Paul is very specific, “For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature: And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompense of their error which was meet.” In 1 Corinthians 6:9, Paul wrote, “Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind.” The Greek word from which the King James Bible gets the word “effeminate” is malakos, which literally means something soft to the touch, but is used as a negative metaphor to refer to a boy kept for homosexual relations with a man. The “abusers of themselves with mankind” are those men who engage in unnatural sexual relations with other men – homosexuals. That is also how the NASB, the NKJV, and the NIV translate that verse. Also in the New Testament is verse 7 from the book of Jude, defining exactly why Sodom and Gomorrah were punished – homosexuality.
Having established that homosexuality is a sin, we must now face that we live in increasingly pro-homosexual societies. The media and the schools have become mouthpieces for the gay subculture, and are working hard to marginalize those of us who take a moral, biblical stance on the issue. School sex education programs based on the curriculum developed by SIECUS champion homosexuality as being normal and healthy, while encouraging teenagers to ignore the values of their parents if their parents feel homosexuality is wrong.

http://www.contenderministries.org

 

[DaveS]

Oh looks like you went in anyway.. as I can't really be bothered to go through yet another homosexuality debate I will just post the following linkie:

http://www.elca.org/faithfuljourney/pdf/background.pdf
(courtesy of Uberlutheran)

 

[HunterRose]

In your other thread featuring this same petition I asked if you could explain why discrimination against a group of law abiding citizens is a Christian value? For some reason you did not answer.
Do you think discrimination based on race to be a morally good thing to teach our children?
What about telling our children that discriminating against non-Christians is morally OK?
I eagerly await your answers to these questions.




I also quoted your OP here:
“The Association... believes in the importance of observances, programs and curricula that accurately portray and recognize the roles, contributions, cultures, and history of these diverse groups and individuals.”
And asked you if you support lying about homosexuals….again you declined to answer but the question remains. The NEA is saying that it is important to accurately portray gays and lesbians. You (through the American Fmaily Association) is saying thath this is bad…why is it bad? And because you (and the AFA) for some reason find this objectionable is inaccurate portrayal (lying) about homosexuals acceptable to you?


Will you be so kind as to answer these questions?

 

[LovesTruth]

In your other thread featuring this same petition I asked if you could explain why discrimination against a group of law abiding citizens is a Christian value?

They are not law-abiding. They commit the crime of homosexual intercourse. As moral and Godly people we Christians support the law. And since protecting the family is one of the highest values in any society, it is only fitting an right that we honor marriage by defending it against false substitutes.

For some reason you did not answer.

Probably the OP was moved. I am glad to dialog with you about the Christian view of sex and morals and its impact upon our legal system.

Do you think discrimination based on race to be a morally good thing to teach our children?

Nobody does. But discrimination against an illegal and unhealthy lifestyle is a morally good thing to do, and we do so in the Name of Jesus Christ.

If you or your school student is subjected to homosexual agenda propaganda, you can demand your school warn you in advance before every single instance of such discussions, and by federal law the school must comply and allow you to opt out your child. If the school fails to comply, you can report them and the federal government will cut off federal funds.

See any of the non-profit Christian law firms in my signature for FREE LEGAL REPRESENTATION. This is our gift to the body of Christ.

 

[Eruliel]

Meekone, do you have an article by the ACA about the safe sex curriculem in schools?

The point I'm trying to make is this: Yes Homosexual promiscuity is wrong, it's abhorrent for a man to sleep with another man, however it's also abhorrent for a 16 year old girl to sleep with her boyfriend since juinor high, even though she's protected.

However the message she's been getting since Juinor High is "Go ahead, sleep around, just be protected when you do". Where are the petitions to stop this wrong thinking? Are we unwilling to believe that our young people are sinning in just as an abhorrent way as a promiscuous homosexual man?
Why is forgiveness ever ready for the pregnant 16 year old girl, and yet the young man who contracted AIDS from homosexual intercourse is shunned?
It seems very lopsided, when the Bible clearly states neither cases should be lopsided,
Slainte!
Eruliel

 

[DaveS]

Alas, we also make the unforgivable, un-Christian sin that is punishable by death of eating shellfish.

Levitical law is moot. Please understand this.

 

[MeekOne]

We previously mentioned Hebrews 13:4, where Paul exhorted us to honor the marriage bed and keep it pure. In Romans 1:26-27 Paul is very specific, “For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature: And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompense of their error which was meet.” In 1 Corinthians 6:9, Paul wrote, “Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind.” The Greek word from which the King James Bible gets the word “effeminate” is malakos, which literally means something soft to the touch, but is used as a negative metaphor to refer to a boy kept for homosexual relations with a man. The “abusers of themselves with mankind” are those men who engage in unnatural sexual relations with other men – homosexuals. That is also how the NASB, the NKJV, and the NIV translate that verse. Also in the New Testament is verse 7 from the book of Jude, defining exactly why Sodom and Gomorrah were punished – homosexuality.
Having established that homosexuality is a sin, we must now face that we live in increasingly pro-homosexual societies. The media and the schools have become mouthpieces for the gay subculture, and are working hard to marginalize those of us who take a moral, biblical stance on the issue. School sex education programs based on the curriculum developed by SIECUS champion homosexuality as being normal and healthy, while encouraging teenagers to ignore the values of their parents if their parents feel homosexuality is wrong.

 

[MeekOne]

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They are not law-abiding. They commit the crime of homosexual intercourse. As moral and Godly people we Christians support the law. And since protecting the family is one of the highest values in any society, it is only fitting an right that we honor marriage by defending it against false substitutes.


Probably the OP was moved. I am glad to dialog with you about the Christian view of sex and morals and its impact upon our legal system.



Nobody does. But discrimination against an illegal and unhealthy lifestyle is a morally good thing to do, and we do so in the Name of Jesus Christ.

If you or your school student is subjected to homosexual agenda propaganda, you can demand your school warn you in advance before every single instance of such discussions, and by federal law the school must comply and allow you to opt out your child. If the school fails to comply, you can report them and the federal government will cut off federal funds.

See any of the non-profit Christian law firms in my signature for FREE LEGAL REPRESENTATION. This is our gift to the body of Christ.

Awesome post! Thank you for saying so!

 

[LovesTruth]

The point I'm trying to make is this: Yes Homosexual promiscuity is wrong, it's abhorrent for a man to sleep with another man, however it's also abhorrent for a 16 year old girl to sleep with her boyfriend since juinor high, even though she's protected.

All these are bad for America. A nation must be based upon morality. Family is the basis for any nation's health. When families are destroyed by divorce or worse, when children are raised outside of marriage, they suffer and all society does from bad morals, higher crime rates, and poor work habits. We all pay when immoral behavior destroys societal standards and harms our families.


However the message she's been getting since Juinor High is "Go ahead, sleep around, just be protected when you do". Where are the petitions to stop this wrong thinking?

Firstly that is not the purpose of the petition.

Secondly the Marriage Protection amendment WILL CHANGE THE WAY PEOPLE THINK about marriage and family.

Thirdly true Christian churches that preach God's Word have no difficulty teaching youth to remain abstinate until marriage and faithful in marriage.

Fourthly if your church does not teach these clear Biblical standards from the Word of God, I invite you to look for one that does. God knows best. God has a wonderful plan for your life. Anything else is not God's Word.




Are we unwilling to believe that our young people are sinning in just as an abhorrent way as a promiscuous homosexual man?

Yes, so both sins are crimes and wrong. But the good news is that both can be forgiven!

Yet some would teach our youth that these are acceptable behaviors. That's why we need to protect marriage with a constitutional amendment.


Why is forgiveness ever ready for the pregnant 16 year old girl, and yet the young man who contracted AIDS from homosexual intercourse is shunned?

Thank you, Eruliel, and I am sure you meant well. Please, my dear friend, I urge you please do not repeat errors. Do you know this charge is inaccurate? No one ever said a young man with AIDS who repents is shunned. If he doesn't repent, he is treated the same as a young, sexually-active unwed teen of either sex who refuses to repent. Please don't say this charge again. It is untrue.

Now here are my observations from my experiences with other Bible-believers: God forgives and restores all who sin and repent. The church embraces all who repent and welcome all back into fellowship with God's people. This loving embrace and warm friendship applies equally to repentant ex-prostitutes and ex-drug addicts and ex-immoral offenders as it applies to moral people who have good reputations. We are all equally guilty in God's perfect justice system, and those of us who repent are all equally clean and pure and forgiven. Christ's sacrifice for us as our sacred Substitute is the great equalizer. That is why we can love and honor one another regardless of past sins.

And the church rejects from Christian fellowship all who refuse to repent and thus reject Christ. Our message to them is what is has always been: "Repent and turn away from your sin."

It seems very lopsided, when the Bible clearly states neither cases should be lopsided,

Yes, all of us are sinners. All of us come to Christ on the exact same terms. Confess we don't deserve forgiveness, ask God to forgive us, and let Christ rule our lives. The thief on the cross said he deserved the death penalty and Christ did not disagree. And yet he and I are the same in God's sight. We are both guilty, and both forgiven.

Slainte!
Eruliel

Slainte,

Tzu

 

[DaveS]

I try again:

http://www.elca.org/faithfuljourney/pdf/background.pdf

 

[ReformedChapin]

I think this would have been better at the foundamentalist forum, the liberals would go nuts with it here.

 

[CaDan]

Zombie thread!

It roams the forums, hungry for brains!

 

[LovesTruth]

Zombie thread!

It roams the forums, hungry for brains!

It won't find much in law firms in St Paul.

 

[CaDan]

It won't find much in law firms in St Paul.

I think Briggs still has an office here.

 

[tulc]

They are not law-abiding. They commit the crime of homosexual intercourse.

That isn't illegal in the United States.
tulc( )