Topless Teacher

[MikeMcK]

People get too hung up about sex. This story proves my point.

It has nothing to do with sex. It has to do with morality and judgement.

 

[quatona]

^so trendiness is bad now too? even for teens?

Man, some people forget quickly.

 

[quatona]

my daugher just turned 7,and we never make her feel ashamed or weird about naked human body,but naked in public is not acceptable behaviour,for many reasons

Which reasons would that be? (Let´s say, five of the "many" would be sufficient, for starters. )

 

[Moros]

Pfft. Moral standards.

 

[Archivist]

It has nothing to do with sex. It has to do with morality and judgement.

This woman is an artist.

Artists paint and photograph nude people, sometimes relatives. As an example of this, Salvador Dali often painted his wife nude. In turn, they often pose nude for other artists or they paint or photograph themselves nude.

How is it immoral for this woman, an artist, to pose nude for another artist?

How does that show bad judgement?

 

[Electric Skeptic]

It has nothing to do with sex. It has to do with morality and judgement.

Of courfse it's got to do with sex - specifically, the western neuroses about it which equates any sort of nudity with sex. If nudity wasn't equated to sex in the west, there'd be no fuss about the woman being photographed topless.

 

[MikeMcK]

This woman is an artist.

Artists paint and photograph nude people, sometimes relatives. As an example of this, Salvador Dali often painted his wife nude. In turn, they often pose nude for other artists or they paint or photograph themselves nude.

How is it immoral for this woman, an artist, to pose nude for another artist?

How does that show bad judgement?

She is a teacher. She needs to set a good example for the children entrusted to her. Being a stripper is not a good example.

 

[steen]

i dont know,i want teachers to be example

But this was on the teacher's own time, outside of school. Are you saying that teachers have to give up their right to a private life and can get fired if they don't??

 

[Arnold_Philips]

it is bad if it put pressure on children

This is preposterous. What doesn't put pressure on children?

and it is bad if it sells rubbish to them

Subjective.

many other reasons,one of those,i would prefer my child to be unique,rather than some prefabricated clone of some sad ageing
atention seeker calling themselves star

Axe to grind?

 

[steen]

She is a teacher. She needs to set a good example for the children entrusted to her. Being a stripper is not a good example.

Your portrayal of her doesn't match reality. Could you come up with a reality-based argument instead?

 

[MikeMcK]

This is a pretty asinine statement.

I'm sorry that you feel it's "asinine" to not want our children to have strippers and harlots as their role models.

 

[MikeMcK]

Your portrayal of her doesn't match reality. Could you come up with a reality-based argument instead?

Then you need to take it up with the folks at CNN. I'm only going by their story.

 

[steen]

Then you need to take it up with the folks at CNN. I'm only going by their story.

CNN talked nothing about strippers.

 

[MikeMcK]

CNN talked nothing about strippers.

No, the CNN story was very clear that she did, indeed take nude photos of herself to distribute on the internet.

 

[kopilo]

Differences between stripper and art teacher.
1. Stripper is meant to be trying to induce lust, where the art teacher is trying to teach about the body form.

2. Strip-shows occur in bars at night time, generally where consuming alcohol and smoking may take place (I haven't been to one, so please correct me if I am wrong).

3. The people watching the stripper are paying to see her/his whole body. The students proberly didn't want to see their teacher nude, and their parents or government are paying.

I'm sure there are more, which others can list, if they so desired.


However I do not agree if the students had it opposed upon them, but there isn't enough of a worry about something they will most likely see, sometime during their life, in order to hinder their education, ie remove teachers, or should we also remove anatamy diagrams from science books?

MikeMcK, I'm sorry you feel that she is a stripper and want to hinder the students education, even more. See anyone can be patronising.

 

[bammertheblue]

Reality Check:
1) She did not take the pictures of herself: "The photos, which were posted on Flickr.com by her partner"

2) The pictures are not described as sexual in nature: "The photos...depict Hoover in the shower, lifting weights, getting dressed, in bed and doing other routine activities"

3) No mention is made of strippers or harlots. Hoover is an art teacher, not a stripper or a prostitute.

By your standards, any woman who has posed for nude pictures, paintings, sculpture, or other forms of art at any time in history is a stripper or a harlot. This does not reconcile with reality.

 

[steen]

No, the CNN story was very clear that she did, indeed take nude photos of herself to distribute on the internet.

Which doesn't make her a stripper, nor was that claimed in the CNN piece. Neither did CNN mentiong anything about a stripper.

 

[KarateCowboy]

A Texas art teacher might be fired because topless photos of her were posted on the Internet. The school district claims that her behavior violated the "higher moral standard" expected of teachers. She claims that the photos were artistic in nature, not pornographic. By all accounts she was considered an excellent teacher prior to this incident.

The full story can be found here: http://www.cnn.com/2006/US/06/16/naked.teacher.ap/index.html.

My personal opinion is that she should not be fired for the following resaons:

1) Her behavior did not violate Texas State law. It is not illegal for a woman to go topless in Texas;

2) She is an art teacher and artistic nudes are considered acceptable in her field;

3) She did not show the photos in class;

4) A male taecher would not be fired for posting similiar photos (a little thing called the Equal Protection Clause).

According to the story, the photos were posted by her female partner. I whether the school's actions are really based on her sexual orientation rather than the nature of the photos?

Any thoughts???

People have been fired for much less. What will her students think if they let her work there and passively condone this? Also, teachers are answerable to their students or their students' parents. I wouldn't want a stripper or flasher or whatever she is teaching my kids any more than I would want a child molester. In other jobs, like if she were a secretary or something like that then fine, but she's working with impressionable kids here.

 

[kopilo]

People have been fired for much less. What will her students think if they let her work there and passively condone this? Also, teachers are answerable to their students or their students' parents. I wouldn't want a stripper or flasher or whatever she is teaching my kids any more than I would want a child molester. In other jobs, like if she were a secretary or something like that then fine, but she's working with impressionable kids here.

So you don't think she could be punished in any other way serverly enough then being fired?

What if the school forces her to take down the pictures off the website, and takes 'artistic nude' out of the ciriculum.

"If that's not something they want me to do then I want to be told that. I don't feel as if I was doing anything that was beyond expectations."

Also she is teaching at a highschool, I don't know exactly what age group that means in the US of students, but I'd imagine their 'impressionable' minds might have a fairly good idea of the human anatamy, especially if they have studied or are studying biology.

 

[KarateCowboy]

So you don't think she could be punished in any other way serverly enough then being fired?

If the school forces her to take down the pictures off the website, and takes 'artistic nude' out of the ciriculum.

Well I suppose they could suspend her without pay for a while.

Also she is teaching at a highschool, I don't know exactly what age group that means in the US of students, but I'd imagine their 'impressionable' minds might have a fairly good idea of the human anatamy, especially if they have studied or are studying biology.

Liberally speaking in America it could mean anywhere from 12 to 19. And sexual morality and such is more than just knowing about biology, as I'm sure you'd agree.