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Nor will he because he does not know, 'kinds' are in the Bible but there is no mention as to what a kind is.
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Nor will he because he does not know, 'kinds' are in the Bible but there is no mention as to what a kind is.And you're still not answering my question - how many kinds of birds are there? Spiders? Ants? Are house cats and tigers the same kind? If so, why are house cats and tigers the same kind, but fish and sharks aren't the same kind?
And you guys just hate not knowing ... right?Nor will he because he does not know, 'kinds' are in the Bible but there is no mention as to what a kind is.
The proper response when you do not know something is to say 'I do not know', you must not just make something up.And you guys just hate not knowing ... right?
I have no idea because I have never read it.Did Darwin, in his book, The Preservation of Favoured Races, discuss kinds?
The proper response when you do not know something is to say 'I do not know', you must not just make something up.
New or old changes nothing.You're kinda new here, aren't you?
You did but thank you anyway.Welcome to CF, by the way (if I didn't welcome you already).
We will, of course, ignore that all evidence points to this happening in longer 4,400 years. But barring that, how do we know that's the case? How did we determine that dogs came from wolves? It's not like humans left any records of this change.
Also, why did cats change so much, but dogs didn't? How come tigers became so distinct that they can't even breed with housecats, but dogs didn't develop in such a way?
And you're still not answering my question - how many kinds of birds are there? Spiders? Ants? Are house cats and tigers the same kind? If so, why are house cats and tigers the same kind, but fish and sharks aren't the same kind?
I really think there are more dog kinds than cat kinds. We have poodles, bulldogs, dobermans, and on and on.
Dogs came from wolves is determined by DNA studies of both
A species like a tiger compared to a house cat becomes distinct and can't mate anymore because they are no longer closely related. But still the same family.
I'd have to say there are two kinds of birds. Flightless and able to fly.
Spiders maybe more than two. It would require a lot of researching
I really think there are more dog kinds than cat kinds. We have poodles, bulldogs, dobermans, and on and on.
Are you asking me about kinds? I'd have to say there are two kinds of birds. Flightless and able to fly. Both birds though. All birds are birds.
I really think there are more dog kinds than cat kinds. We have poodles, bulldogs, dobermans, and on and on.
Dogs came from wolves is determined by DNA studies of both.
A species like a tiger compared to a house cat becomes distinct and can't mate anymore because they are no longer closely related. But still the same family.
Are you asking me about kinds? I'd have to say there are two kinds of birds. Flightless and able to fly. Both birds though. All birds are birds.
Spiders maybe more than two. It would require a lot of researching and even scientists are not so clear on the family, order, etc. classifications.
...wait. Bulldogs and dobermans are all their own distinct kind? I thought they were just in the dog kind? So there are kinds within kinds, now?
And these same DNA studies, these same techniques, tell us that humans descend from apes. So I don't see how you can accept the DNA evidence for dogs descending from wolves but reject the DNA evidence for humans descending from apes.
Okay, so let me see if I understand you correctly - there are only two bird kinds - flying and non-flying. Are you seriously telling me that ostriches, penguins, roadrunners and such birds came from a single non-flying kind 4,400 years ago? Are you seriously telling me that eagles, hummingbirds, condors, dove and other such birds came from a single flying ancestor 4,400 years ago? Is that the argument you're really going with?
Seeing as there are some 34,000 species of spider, I'd say 'more than two' is a given. By the by, don't you think it's odd that no creationist has ever came up with a comprehensive list of kinds? I mean, sure, Linnean classification isn't 100% perfect, and scientists debate a lot about how certain animals fit into which classification - on a planet with such varied life, that's about to be expected. But, generally, you could make a list of species for cats and dogs and birds, and it would hold up. With 'kinds', it seems more like whatever the person who's using it wants to go with at the particular time.
I meant to say variations of dogs within the kind.
There is no DNA evidence that says humans descended from apes or any animal.
The past is mostly outside the realm of the scientific method.
That is because it is historical science. It is inductive reasoning. It would be kind of hard to observe, test and repeat what already happened. We'd have to hear it from an eyewitness.
Yes, there is. Again, we use the same techniques to determine that humans are descended from apes that we used to determine that dogs are descended from cats. It's literally the same process. You can't say you accept the DNA studies that tell us that dogs are descended from wolves, then patently ignore the DNA studies that tell us that humans are descended from apes. It doesn't work that way.
It really, really, really isn't. If it was, forensic science would be worthless and our justice system would fall apart, for starters.
You vastly overestimate the value of an eyewitness. An eyewitness can be wrong. An eyewitness can be misunderstood. A person can misunderstand an eyewitness. An eyewitness can lie. And your logic falls apart when it's applied to other sciences.
No one has ever witnessed a plate shift. But we know they cause earthquakes.
No one has ever witnessed an atom splitting. But we understand the effect.
No one has ever been to the center of the Earth. But we can map out its composition.
The idea that we can only 'observe' things we're directly looking at with our own two eyes is idiotic.
If we listened to you no murderer would ever be brought to justice, tens of thousands of people would be killed every time it got dark, no one saw them do it so they are not guilty.So the justice system can observe the crime?
And frogs turn into princes.
I can't believe people actually believe that nonsense. Unless you are joking. It has to be a joke, right?
So the justice system can observe the crime?
Those are all testable effects that happen in the present.
So is evolution.Or results that can be observed in the present.
And frogs turn into princes.
I can't believe people actually believe that nonsense. Unless you are joking. It has to be a joke, right?
So the justice system can observe the crime?
Those are all testable effects that happen in the present. Or results that can be observed in the present.
You're getting very close to discussing "kinds" within "kinds" now. Hard not to, with the nested hierarchy... isn't it? But according to you, "kinds" were separately created... so there can be no "kinds" within "kinds." That is why you must ignore reality, since reality says there are.I meant to say variations of dogs within the kind.
Phylogenetic trees say otherwise. What genetic evidence would you expect?There is no DNA evidence that says humans descended from apes or any animal.
Good to see you admit you don't know what you are posting about.I'm not an expert in the field nor can I go back in time and see what was there before.
No it isn't. You just don't like the fact that scientific investigation of the past does not match up with your religious dogma. Therefore, you assert it "doesn't work."The past is mostly outside the realm of the scientific method.
There isn't anything wrong with inductive reasoning, unless, of course, it contradicts your religious dogma. Right? And no, we don't have an "eye witness," since God didn't write anything in the bible (with the possible exception of the commandments). The authors of GEN1-2, for example, didn't witness a thing they wrote of.That is because it is historical science. It is inductive reasoning. It would be kind of hard to observe, test and repeat what already happened. We'd have to hear it from an eyewitness. Do we have that? Hmmm....Oh, yeah. We do. God.
And frogs turn into princes.
You are the one who seems to be joking. Unfortunately, you aren't joking when you claim to believe in a man made from dirt and a woman from a man's rib.I can't believe people actually believe that nonsense. Unless you are joking. It has to be a joke, right?
No, it can't. That is the entire point! Every logical point is lost on you, isn't it?So the justice system can observe the crime?
The past leaves its mark or record on the present. Indeed, the present is built from the past. Do you deny this?Those are all testable effects that happen in the present. Or results that can be observed in the present.
Really? Really?
Okay, so let me see if I understand you correctly - there are only two bird kinds - flying and non-flying. Are you seriously telling me that ostriches, penguins, roadrunners and such birds came from a single non-flying kind 4,400 years ago? Are you seriously telling me that eagles, hummingbirds, condors, dove and other such birds came from a single flying ancestor 4,400 years ago? Is that the argument you're really going with?
On a bit of a side note, since Noah had a dove to release that would mean that the dove is the origin of the bird kind
But that can't be right, because Noah sent out a raven, too. So, I mean...are ravens and doves separate kinds? Did doves come from ravens while they were on the Ark, or vice versa?
You have got it all wrong, it is so simple, all white coloured birds came from the Dove kind and all black coloured birds came from the Raven kind, even the flightless Cormorant of the Galapagos, it all makes perfect sense.But that can't be right, because Noah sent out a raven, too. So, I mean...are ravens and doves separate kinds? Did doves come from ravens while they were on the Ark, or vice versa?
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