Tom Homan warns 'bloodshed' will continue unless 'hateful rhetoric' from politicians stops

[7thKeeper]

When ICE does it, it will be labelled as "physically enhanced traffic stop."

I was about to write that if it gets addressed at all and lo and behold...

What about when people strike ICE officers and call up their families with death threats?

And it gets ignored and not addressed.

 

[Desk trauma]

Nothing but silence or adoration will acceptable as sufficiently not hateful.

 

[ThatRobGuy]

But what we see isn't criticism. It is a systematic and orchestrated attack from the Right on every judge that dare to rule the way MAGA doesn't like.
With the predictability of the Swiss Railways the phrase Obama appointed America hating activist commie judge will be used.

While I'd acknowledge that the term "activist judge" gets tossed around willy nilly...

What's actually going is forum shopping. It's not so much that a judge accepts the position with the malicious intent of "I'm going to take this job so I can undercut my political opponents", it's that the reason they're selected in the first place is because they're of like mind with whichever president is selecting them on a lot of issues

So in many cases, it's not necessarily the judge that's an activist, it's a case where the activists know what the preexisting positions of certain judges are and specifically file their legal challenges in districts where they know they have a high probability of winning

I had mentioned before that what I think a better solution would be, is for cases and injunction requests with coast-to-coast implications, the district court hearing the case should be assigned at random through some sort of lottery system

 

[BCP1928]

I would suggest that these are hyperbolically inaccurate descriptions of what's actually happening.

1) When law enforcement encounters a person who fits the description of someone who's engaged in a crime, in a venue that the crime has been known to take place in, bringing them in for questioning isn't "kidnapping".

If the cops were looking for "biker gangs dealing meth in parking lots", and a biker (tatted up and wearing a 1% cut) is standing in the parking lot of a biker bar where those activities have taken place, taking the guy in for questioning isn't "kidnapping"

Which is a hyperbolically inaccurate description of what critics' are calling "kidnapping."

 

[ThatRobGuy]

The courts do not seek out cases of conflict. They accept what is given to them. Sure there is some partisianship in the courts, and in instances of abuse at the District level, one can criticize all they want but only appeals or other legal means are what matters.

I touched on it in my reply to the other user...

Forum shopping is the main issue. For challenges and injunction requests that have coast-to-coast implications, the people filing the challenges cherry picking friendly districts where they know they're going to get a like-minded judge based on their ruling history or who appointed them, is sub-optimal.

I had mentioned to the other poster, I think a better system would be some sort of randomized lottery system where, for cases that involve challenges and injunctions for things that have coast-to-coast implications, that should be assigned at random instead of lawyer cherry pick their venue.

As it currently stands, the bulk of the challenges to Trump EO's and immigration related matters have been filed in the DC District, Northern California District, and District of Massachusetts.

And the inverse is true during Democratic admins. During Obama's tenure, the bulk of challenges and injunction requests were filed in Texas districts.

That's not a mere coincidence.

 

[Laodicean60]

Not only hateful rhetoric, but the PSYOP from the media on each side.

 

[wing2000]

Mr. Homen, like so many of Trump's lackey's seem intent on inviting indictment.

...and why not? He allegedly pocketed 50k from the FBI only to have the case dismissed when Trump took over.

 

[Servus]

No. But ICE dragging innocent US citizens from their cars at gunpoint and detaining them without charge certainly is.

Lots of innocent people get detained and put in handcuffs. It even happened to me once. But what you'll hear from glorious legacy media are hyped up horror stories.

 

[GoldenBoy89]

Video:

Tom Homan warns 'bloodshed' will continue unless 'hateful rhetoric' from politicians stops​

Tom Homan warns 'bloodshed' will continue unless 'hateful rhetoric' from politicians stops | Fox News Video

Border czar Tom Homan discusses President Donald Trump’s claim of having the 'most secure border ever,' ICE enforcement priorities and what agents refuse to tolerate on 'Sunday Morning Futures.'

www.foxnews.com

Everyone needs to follow the law and respect those who are trying to follow the law and who care about the welfare of everyone. Homan stressed how many women and children are not dying or not being abused by closing the border. Those who continue with the violent rhetoric need to stop.

Someone should remind Mr Homam we have a first amendment right to criticize him and his ICE goons’ actions and rhetoric however we feel like.

 

[ThatRobGuy]

Not only hateful rhetoric, but the PSYOP from the media on each side.

I think PSYOP may be a bit grandiose to describe what's happening.

I think it's just more of a case where people are growing increasingly resentful of how our government is being run

Which can best be described as "Even if we lose, we'll make sure you can't do anything when you win"


It used to be a little more well-understood that elections have consequences, and you win some and lose some. But somewhere around the mid-2000's, crafty politicians and lawyers have found ways to engage in various forms of "soft obstruction".

As I noted in my previous post, activists from both teams have gotten pretty proficient in the art of forum shopping.

Other forms:
-Stacking certain federal agencies and departments (the 4th branch) with like-minded individuals so that they can intentionally slow-walk or bungle implementation of any new initiatives when a successor from the other team takes over.

-Cash allocation to NGOs at the end of a term, tasking them with grant distribution, so that they can continue on carrying out a person's agenda for months and months into the future, even if that person loses re-election.

 

[Hans Blaster]

I think PSYOP may be a bit grandiose to describe what's happening.

I think it's just more of a case where people are growing increasingly resentful of how our government is being run

Which can best be described as "Even if we lose, we'll make sure you can't do anything when you win"


It used to be a little more well-understood that elections have consequences, and you win some and lose some. But somewhere around the mid-2000's, crafty politicians and lawyers have found ways to engage in various forms of "soft obstruction".

As I noted in my previous post, activists from both teams have gotten pretty proficient in the art of forum shopping.

Other forms:
-Stacking certain federal agencies and departments (the 4th branch) with like-minded individuals so that they can intentionally slow-walk or bungle implementation of any new initiatives when a successor from the other team takes over.

-Cash allocation to NGOs at the end of a term, tasking them with grant distribution, so that they can continue on carrying out a person's agenda for months and months into the future, even if that person loses re-election.

What?

what does this have to do with the grandiose claims of mr Homan in the title?

 

[MarcusGregor]

"The beatings will continue until morale improves!"

 

[ThatRobGuy]

What?

what does this have to do with the grandiose claims of mr Homan in the title?

Because another poster had asserted that there's "hate speech" being aimed at the judicial branch.

To which I replied that people being frustrated with lawyers & activists exploiting a massive design flaw within the federal district court system, doesn't constitute hate speech.

 

[DaisyDay]

What about when ICE agents crash into a passing motorists car, then drag a lone woman from that car at gunpoint, take her into custody without any reason or warrant, deny her medical treatment, then drop all charges. Google "Dayanne Figueroa" since CF is blocking URL links right now.

If it happened in Lebanon, or Iran, we'd call it what it was - kidnapping. It's a kidnapping.

https://www.hsgac.senate.gov/wp-content/uploads/2025.12.8_ICE-Report-revised-FINAL.pdf

 

[DaisyDay]

We have seen Supreme Court justices openly threatened by a leading Democrat, with Joe Biden refusing to enforce the law to protect them.

That is factually false.

 

[essentialsaltes]

There's certainly this kind of bloodshed, but to stop it, Homan could just put his pugs thugs and mugs on a shorter leash.

Feds Dismiss Charges Against Woman Shot by Border Patrol Agent in Brighton Park​

Martinez pleaded not guilty and her attorneys had pushed for a speedy trial. Martinez’s attorney Christopher Parente previously said in court that body-camera footage from the incident showed an agent carrying an assault rifle and saying “Do something [ladydog]” before the shooting, according to the Chicago Tribune.

Following the hearing Thursday, her attorney Christopher Parente thanked the U.S. Attorney’s Office for dismissing the charges, saying they saw the case the way he saw it, “which is that these agents were lying.”

Feds Dismiss Charges Against Woman Shot by Border Patrol Agent in Brighton Park

Texts from the Border Patrol agent who fired at Martinez revealed he apparently bragged about the shooting to others, stating in one message that he’d “fired 5 rounds and she had 7 holes. Put that in your book boys.”

news.wttw.com

 

[Laodicean60]

This is terrible. What happened to this site.

 

[Trogdor the Burninator]

Lots of innocent people get detained and put in handcuffs. It even happened to me once. But what you'll hear from glorious legacy media are hyped up horror stories.

I wouldn't call masked men dragging a lone woman from her car at gunpoint after crashing into it, then detaining her for several days without charge at a secret facility "over-hyped".

In fact, I'd call it excellent reporting of ICE goons overstepping their authority. I thought Americans cared about rights. Land of the free and all that.
But apparently I was wrong. Absolutely everything can be thrown in the trash if it supports Trump.

The men never identified themselves, what agency they worked for, offered any explanation, or wore any visible badges. She said: “All I remember are the big guns and the sunglasses and hats they wore over their masks.
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...put her in handcuffs, cinching them so tight that Dayanne has since suffered nerve damage to her wrists.79 Three agents carried Dayanne to an unmarked, red SUV and threw her inside
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I was never arrested. Never charged. Never given an explanation. Never given an apology.” Dayanne was rushed to the hospital, accompanied by her mother, who had been “crying and freaking out” outside the FBI facility. No charges were ever brought against her.

 

[Valletta]

I wouldn't call masked men dragging a lone woman from her car at gunpoint after crashing into it, then detaining her for several days without charge at a secret facility "over-hyped".

In fact, I'd call it excellent reporting of ICE goons overstepping their authority. I thought Americans cared about rights. Land of the free and all that.
But apparently I was wrong. Absolutely everything can be thrown in the trash if it supports Trump.

Referring to American citizens, dads and moms and other patriotic Americans as "goons" is a continuing problem. They, like many Americans, have a job. Their job is to enforce the laws passed by the representatives of the citizenry. If you think ICE should have to wear identification and show badges then work to change the law. You don't have to be an American citizen to give a call to a member of Congress. Focus should be directed at the lawmakers. If an ICE agent violates the law a complaint should be filed. I read about an agent being reprimanded back in September for excessive force. In law enforcement you are supposed to use minimum force, that means if you are struck and get in a fight and it takes two blows to subdue your attacker and you hit him a third time you are guilty of misconduct. The same goes if you catch a child sex abuser in the act, you can't rough him up, if you do you are guilty of misconduct. Even highly trained officers lose their tempers and if happens more than once they should be kicked out. Realize the Democrats in the United States have wealthy backers, Kamala had more than TWICE the money for her campaign than Trump did, and they are tied in deeply with the major media. So too countries like China and Iran support their causes. Here we call such reporting "tabloid journalism." You see little reporting by these people about the missing children and the women who our trafficked. In the United States human slavery rose to the highest level since our Civil War.

 

[Servus]

I wouldn't call masked men dragging a lone woman from her car at gunpoint after crashing into it, then detaining her for several days without charge at a secret facility "over-hyped".

In fact, I'd call it excellent reporting of ICE goons overstepping their authority. I thought Americans cared about rights. Land of the free and all that.
But apparently I was wrong. Absolutely everything can be thrown in the trash if it supports Trump.

One person here. We're supposed to take the (probably distorted) story about one person here and there, and apply it wholesale to the same thing happening to everyone. The whole masked and secret facility thing is hype. A couple of years ago certain people pitched a fit if someone wasn't wearing a mask. Now they're pitching a fit over masks being worn. ICE goons, gestapo, kidnappers, hype, hype, hype.