tolerating unequal outcomes

[JCSr]

the above would have never occurred to me. My mind just doesn't go that way.

How do you propose a justice which denies comfort to people on poverty? Which way does your mind go?

 

[bricklayer]

How do you propose a justice which denies comfort to people on poverty? Which way does your mind go?

You're bringing your preconceptions to something I never wrote. Please, reread my post. There is quite a difference between comfort in poverty and comfort with poverty. While I comfort them in their poverty, I discourage them from being comfortable with their poverty. I have found nothing that keeps people in poverty like comfort with poverty.

There is more than one way to look at anything.
The exculpatory is never empowering, and the empowering is never exculpatory.
I discourage the poor from the exculpatory and encourage the empowering.

 

[Savior2006]

You're bringing your preconceptions to something I never wrote. Please, reread my post. There is quite a difference between comfort in poverty and comfort with poverty. While I comfort them in their poverty, I discourage them from being comfortable with their poverty. I have found nothing that keeps people in poverty like comfort with poverty.

There is more than one way to look at anything.
The exculpatory is never empowering, and the empowering is never exculpatory.
I discourage the poor from the exculpatory and encourage the empowering.

As long as they agree with your political views.

 

[Redac]

So in other words, you have a family who is poverty striken and desperate and you want the state to step in and make it illegal for one of the members of that family to work so that they can rmemdy that situation.

I'd rather that families not even be in such a predicament that their children are forced to work full-time jobs out of necessity.

The problem with that situation is the condition you find yourself in prior to encountering someone willing to offer you a job. It is not the employers fault that you are deperate and have no skills. You got yourself into that position. So you do what everyone has do do in that position, what I had to do in fact, take a job that doesnt pay very well and one you dont like and use it as a stepping stone to a better one.

Ah, the old "well it's your fault if you're poor" canard. No, it is not always someone's fault that they're poor and uneducated. I mean, do you think the aforementioned child laborer with a job instead of going to school is ever going to advance very far? No, poverty will continue to perpetuate itself and libertarians everywhere will continue to say "sucks for you guys".

 

[bricklayer]

As long as they agree with your political views.

There is much more to politics than government. One's politics are a combination of one's values and how one relates them to others. Political beliefs such as the proper distribution of authority and responsibility contribute more to one's poverty or wealth than how much money their parents had or the color of their skin.

 

[iluvatar5150]

There is much more to politics than government. One's politics are a combination of one's values and how one relates them to others. Political beliefs such as the proper distribution of authority and responsibility contribute more to one's poverty or wealth than how much money their parents had or the color of their skin.

I don't suppose you have any proof of this, do you?

-Dan.

 

[bricklayer]

I don't suppose you have any proof of this, do you?

-Dan.

Scores of changed lives. Good men, good husbands, good fathers, good workers, good friends, no excuses.
Of course there were those so offended by our emphasis on personal responsibility that they returned to those who made them comfortable with their poverty.

 

[iluvatar5150]

Scores of changed lives. Good men, good husbands, good fathers, good workers, good friends, no excuses.
Of course there were those so offended by our emphasis on personal responsibility that they returned to those who made them comfortable with their poverty.

Then why are the wealthiest states in our country typically liberal, and the poorest typically conservative? All of you personal responsibility types don't seem to have much affinity for education, seeing as how the best educated states mostly voted for Obama.

-Dan.

 

[bricklayer]

Then why are the wealthiest states in our country typically liberal, and the poorest typically conservative? All of you personal responsibility types don't seem to have much affinity for education, seeing as how the best educated states mostly voted for Obama.

-Dan.

The men I work with are not college educated. Many of them have criminal records or worse. The masons can make anywhere from $80k up depending on skill and ambition. I have one young man, Randal, who made $102K the year he turned twenty four. Randal never graduated from high school. There are eleven men on Randal's crew. Most of those men have families. That's a lot of mouths being fed. Not bad for some uneducated bricklayers from Ohio.

 

[Archaeopteryx]

Hunger motivates

Social unrest, among other things.

 

[Archaeopteryx]

If you want to learn to swim, you have to take the life jacket off

And then watch them drown, while blaming them for not swimming, even though you removed the life jacket. Yeah, don't become a surf lifesaver. No offense, but you'd suck at it.

 

[MachZer0]

And then watch them drown, while blaming them for not swimming, even though you removed the life jacket. Yeah, don't become a surf lifesaver. No offense, but you'd suck at it.

 

[MachZer0]

Social unrest, among other things.

That speaks to their character

 

[Archaeopteryx]

That speaks to their character

Familiarise yourself with the fundamental attribution error.

 

[Archaeopteryx]

Asleep on the beach? Yeah, that's where we'd find you.

 

[MachZer0]

Asleep on the beach? Yeah, that's where we'd find you.

Because I swam there

 

[iluvatar5150]

The men I work with are not college educated. Many of them have criminal records or worse. The masons can make anywhere from $80k up depending on skill and ambition. I have one young man, Randal, who made $102K the year he turned twenty four. Randal never graduated from high school. There are eleven men on Randal's crew. Most of those men have families. That's a lot of mouths being fed. Not bad for some uneducated bricklayers from Ohio.

Ok, you've picked a handful of anecdotes. Now, how about the larger trends?

-Dan.

 

[Savior2006]

Scores of changed lives. Good men, good husbands, good fathers, good workers, good friends, no excuses.
Of course there were those so offended by our emphasis on personal responsibility that they returned to those who made them comfortable with their poverty.

Translation: Nope, I have no proof whatsoever.

 

[Archaeopteryx]

Because I swam there

If you happened to have gotten into trouble in the water though, you'd hope that someone would at least throw you a life jacket or something that could help you to shore. But you're against that.

 

[MachZer0]

If you happened to have gotten into trouble in the water though, you'd hope that someone would at least throw you a life jacket or something that could help you to shore. But you're against that.

Or I'd have to swim a little harder