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EDIT: okay, I have attempted to write a reply several times from scratch now. And I just got to the point where I just feel that talking to you will get me nowhere. Thank you for reminding me why I dont' like humanity.

You said oops, sorry, I forgot to put myself in your point of view.
I reminded you that you have no idea what my POV is, so could you just ask and not assume.

Then I affirmed to you that it was scripture that says we are not to be tolerant of false doctrines, prophets, translations, and damning lies associated with Yahuweh. Like I said, if one cares to worship a cat, fine. Just don't say that cat is associated with Yahuweh or His scripture.

Then I said I don't care for the religion that calls for my death, and you say I remind you of why you don't like humanity?

Very strange.
 
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I always listen to other peopl's arguments. If you truely want to try and convince me then go ahead. You say you have proof, I am inclined not to believe you but I feel like you have more grounds than all those other people that tried to convert me. However it is unlikely that I will ever be converted(But I never say never )

EDIT: sorry, I'm not very clear tonight. My head is kind of messed up. Alot of stuff happened tonight.
 
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You are not very informed. The Septuagint was written in Africa around 250-275 BCE. Therefore, if it has a prophesy of a first century CE fulfillment,.......

You gotta do beter than that.
 
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hey there

you know...I know where you are coming from..but proof...that jesus raised lazareth from the dead...or that any of the bible isn't just fables. I am not saying it is fables...I am saying..show me the proof. I would LOVE to see it.

Do not assume my icon..means that I do not know Jesus personally or that I have no knowledge of the scriptures...I know them very well having studied them since I was old enough to read them and comprehend them which started when my pastor gave me my first pretty white leatherette covered..standard version of the King James version or my first good new for modern man..or the six different translations sitting on my book shelves. *grin* I was a religion major at the University of Cape Town
 
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I am not called to convince or convert you, but I will give you a good place to start. There is no link that has the missing piece everyone wants for several reasons. We are to be willing to choose Him or not. We are to become informed and come to know Him relationally. Until this is done, His message, means, nature and timing, remain obscure. This is why 99 out of 100 Christians do not know when His sacrifice was. It's only the most important day in human history. We don't even know His name, so how are we to know Him? You must be willing. Simple as that. He doesn't appear and move the sun from side to side because that would eliminate choice. There is so much to learn so the journey is long, but well worth it. The best place to start, IMO, is with Craig Winn.
He is simply brilliant, and serves Yahuweh and Him only. Beholden to no one, and wealthy, he tells the way it is regardless of feelings being hurt, and he is able to publish it. All of his material is free online. I think I was stirred a little when I read the "leap of faith", and "Playing the odds" chapters in a book called "Tea with Terrorists". After the study of Satan and Islam, the abhorrence of one led me to the love of the other. Craig is currently doing a book called Yada Yahweh. That is also the web address. http://www.YadaYahweh.com
I promise that if you read this book, you will never again have a doubt in you mind. It is very lengthy and will take dedication. I hope you are willing.
 
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Bet your professor didn't call the Messiah by His name. I bet he said "Jesus". I also bet that every one of your translations replaced Yahuweh's name with "Lord" 7000 times. Do not trust man. We are not worthy of it.
 
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Bet your professor didn't call the Messiah by His name. I bet he said "Jesus". I also bet that every one of your translations replaced Yahuweh's name with "Lord" 7000 times. Do not trust man. We are not worthy of it.
ProfesorS you mean. It depended on which professor of which religion was speaking. The Rabbi who was called upon to teach us about Judiasm did refer to Jesus as the Messiah, though he argued that he was not. And yes everyone of my Christian professors called him Messiah or Lord or Jesus Christ.

But that is side stepping the issue. Show me your proof or stop saying there is some. You most certainly have my understanding if you say your proof is in what you believe because for YOU that is enough for you to believe...but to say there is proof to be had, is just theatrics.
 
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I bet? That's not good enough for me. I need proof. If the guy( whoever he is) can predict the future, let's see it.Several have tried- only one is credible. Keep in mind that Yahuweh's litmus test is stiff. One error and you are gone.
 
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Read the link I provided and get back to me. Peace. Gotta go . Check back later

 
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You are not very informed. The Septuagint was written in Africa around 250-275 BCE. Therefore, if it has a prophesy of a first century CE fulfillment,.......

You gotta do beter than that.


You sure do seem to like to asusme a lot about people. Not uncommon, religion tends to foster arrogance in its believers, I'll try to ignore it.

The septuagint being written as late as the second century BC does not refute my point at all. The prophecy itself is very vague, it never actually flat out says Crucifiction, and considering the very questionable authorship of the Gospels(ie, they weren't written by the people they are named after, they were written as much as 60 years after the fact, and they all differ in multiple points), we do not know wether they are true in all details. The Bible as we know it today was bound together by the Council of Nicea, at which time the cannon of the Christian Church was decided on.

It would be one thing if any of the divine Bible claims could be verifed by other sources, but they cannot. We have only the Bible to substanitae that Jesus did any of the miraculous things he is reputed to have done, and even more so for the events of the old testament.

Like I said, you cannot use prophecy written of in only one book, and documented as fullfilled in only one book as evidence that such a prophecy was not only fullfilled but also substantiates the existence of your god.

We need more evidence than that. Otherwise all you have is 2000 year old book detailing all kinds of miraculous events that conviently no longer occur today when we could verify their validity.

As Cassieopia said, it would be one thing if you just stated, this is what I beleive because of my faith. I could accept that, though I certainly wouldn't accept it as true. It is when believers claim to have actual evidence, and it invariably turns out to be highly subjective, single source evidence such as the aforementioned prophecy that i take exception.
 
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I would like to ask a question concerning that.
What Hebrew names for the LORD/GOD would apply in revelation 11:17? Thanks.

Exodus 6:3 and I appear unto Abraham, unto Isaac, and unto Jacob, as God/'el Almighty/Shadday; as to My name the LORD/Y@hovah, I have not been known to them;
Revelation 11:17 saying, `We give thanks to Thee, O Lord/ kurie <2962> God/qeoV <2316>, the Almighty/Shadday; who art, and who wast, and who art coming, because Thou hast taken Thy great power and didst reign;
Ezkeiel 39:12 "For seven months the house of Israel will be burying Them, in order to Cleanse/purify the land. 13 "Indeed all the people of the land will be burying, and they will gain renown for it on the day that I am glorified," says the 'Adonay Y@hovih.

edit to add: I also made a topic on this for the Orthodox Jews to help out:

http://www.christianforums.com/t3732167-question-of-jews-on-the-name-of-the-lord.html
 
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Keep in mind that Yahuweh's litmus test is stiff. One error and you are gone.
That is a strict litmus test, which would rule out Jesus/God as a credible prophet, since a number of predictions in the Bible haven't happened.
What prophecies/predictions are those? You mean this one as predicted by Peter?
1 Peter 4:7 But the End of ALL things is nigh at hand; therefore be sober-minded and watchful in your prayers.

Matthew 24:1 Then Jesus went out and departed from the temple, and His disciples came up to show Him the buildings of the temple [#2411].
And I would like a response to this post:

What Hebrew names for the LORD/GOD would apply in revelation 11:17? Thanks.

Exodus 6:3 and I appear unto Abraham, unto Isaac, and unto Jacob, as God/'el Almighty/Shadday; as to My name the LORD/Y@hovah, I have not been known to them;
Revelation 11:17 saying, `We give thanks to Thee, O Lord/ kurie <2962> God/qeoV <2316>, the Almighty/Shadday; who art, and who wast, and who art coming, because Thou hast taken Thy great power and didst reign;
Ezkeiel 39:12 "For seven months the house of Israel will be burying Them, in order to Cleanse/purify the land. 13 "Indeed all the people of the land will be burying, and they will gain renown for it on the day that I am glorified," says the 'Adonay Y@hovih.

edit to add: I also made a topic on this for the Orthodox Jews to help out:

http://www.christianforums.com/t3732167-question-of-jews-on-the-name-of-the-lord.html
 
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I understand. But in my humble view, Revelation "symbolically" appears to concern the OC Nations of Israel and Judah and why I want to use the Hebrew words used for the Lord/GoD in Revelation.

As we well know, they are now without a Priesthood or Temple [provided one did exist of course, hard to tell].

Matt 23:32 "Fill up, then, the measure of your fathers' [guilt.] 33 "Serpents, brood of vipers! How can you escape the condemnation of gehenna? Exodus 6:3 and I appear unto Abraham, unto Isaac, and unto Jacob, as God/'el Almighty/Shadday; as to My name the LORD/Y@hovah, I have not been known to them;
Revelation 11:17 saying, `We give thanks to Thee, O Lord/ kurie <2962> God/qeoV <2316>, the Almighty/Shadday; who art, and who wast, and who art coming, because Thou hast taken Thy great power and didst reign;
 
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That was very "reverant" of you to say that Irreverant.
 
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Well, the "Kingdom" of the World belong to the Jews of Judah at that time. You have to put yourself as an "OC Hebrew Jew" back in that time when reading the Bible. At least that is what I do.

Why did the Apostles ask this of Jesus?
Acts 1:6 Therefore, when they had come together, they asked Him, saying, "Lord, will You at this time restore the Kingdom to Israel?"
(NKJV) Ezekiel 7:1 Moreover the word of the LORD came to me, saying, 2 "And you, son of man, thus says the Lord GOD to the LAND of Israel: 'An end! The end has come upon the four corners of the LAND. 3 Now the end [has come] upon you, And I will send My anger against you; I will judge you according to your ways, And I will repay you for all your abominations.
 
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Hey there...I am not sure what you want me to respond to as he messed up what I said with what he said. He isn't used to the quoting thingy.
 
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Then I said I don't care for the religion that calls for my death, and you say I remind you of why you don't like humanity?

Very strange.
I believe Jesus calls for us to die and be born again, for one.

Also, in Acts it is said that everyone who doesn't accept Jesus shall be destroyed. It's even harsher in the Old Testament. In Jeremiah, God says that you're cursed if you hold your sword back from drawing blood. Etc.

You can take just as many passages out of context in the Christian Bible as you can in the Quran. Moderate Muslims have explained to me in the past that "Jihad" does not literally mean "killing unbelievers"; rather, it signifies a spiritual warfare much like what Christians practice.

But I'm not the best-equipped person to defend Islam--I'm just saying I think some people only want to listen to the extremists, not the majority of Muslims who aren't strapping bombs to their chest. There are apologetics in Islam to deal with the passages that seem to promote violence, just as there are in Christianity. Following Islam, for most, is not a path to murder...Christianity in the past has had its episodes of terrorist activity as well.

I think the best way to support change is to support the Muslims who don't believe in killing others, not to call them all evil.

Trickster
 
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