tolerance

[Beanieboy]

Tolerance is a word that is completely abused in today's society. It is being used to describe anyone with a conflicting viewpoint. "Joe disagrees with X. Therefore he's intolerant."

I don't tolerate SIN. I'm completely against what the Bible says is SIN. I will still tolerate and respect the one who sins or believes the sin is OK. I will disagree with them, and tell them what I believe. I will RESPECT them, but I will not TOLERATE the sin.

So, you aren't going to stand for it, not going to tolerate it.
What are you going to do about??

Yell and people? Tell them that they are going to hell? Quote Leviticus?

It's working like a charm, Rhonda

 

[JAS4Yeshua]

I have no problem telling people what I believe and why. That does not have to be done with yelling and screaming, nor does it have to be done with "Hellfire and brimstone" preaching. It doesn't even have to be done with arguing or fighting. If I use the Word to explain myself, then so be it. It is me expressing my beliefs. Once expressed, it doesn't have to be hammered, unless the other person continues to ask questions. I don't mind friendly debates or even question and answer, but I try to avoid pointless arguments.

I'm against homosexuality, and yet I have two friends who are homosexual. They know where I stand on the issue of homosexuality, and I have told them both reasons from the Bible. They disagree with me, but they know where I stand, and yet we are still friends. I don't tolerate their actions and they know it, but that hasn't stopped us from remaining friends.

You ask what I'm going to do about it? Simple, I make my viewpoints known and clear, so there is no room for any misunderstanding. I pray for them, for their understanding, and their Salvation. I invite them to accept Jesus as their Savior, and give them an option to accept or reject Him. It isn't my place to change anyone, only to spread the Word.

 

[quatona]

I have no problem telling people what I believe and why. That does not have to be done with yelling and screaming, nor does it have to be done with "Hellfire and brimstone" preaching. It doesn't even have to be done with arguing or fighting. If I use the Word to explain myself, then so be it. It is me expressing my beliefs. Once expressed, it doesn't have to be hammered, unless the other person continues to ask questions. I don't mind friendly debates or even question and answer, but I try to avoid pointless arguments.

I'm against homosexuality, and yet I have two friends who are homosexual. They know where I stand on the issue of homosexuality, and I have told them both reasons from the Bible. They disagree with me, but they know where I stand, and yet we are still friends. I don't tolerate their actions and they know it, but that hasn't stopped us from remaining friends.

You ask what I'm going to do about it? Simple, I make my viewpoints known and clear, so there is no room for any misunderstanding. I pray for them, for their understanding, and their Salvation. I invite them to accept Jesus as their Savior, and give them an option to accept or reject Him. It isn't my place to change anyone, only to spread the Word.

They seem to be quite tolerant.

 

[Beanieboy]

I have no problem telling people what I believe and why. That does not have to be done with yelling and screaming, nor does it have to be done with "Hellfire and brimstone" preaching. It doesn't even have to be done with arguing or fighting. If I use the Word to explain myself, then so be it. It is me expressing my beliefs. Once expressed, it doesn't have to be hammered, unless the other person continues to ask questions. I don't mind friendly debates or even question and answer, but I try to avoid pointless arguments.

I'm against homosexuality, and yet I have two friends who are homosexual. They know where I stand on the issue of homosexuality, and I have told them both reasons from the Bible. They disagree with me, but they know where I stand, and yet we are still friends. I don't tolerate their actions and they know it, but that hasn't stopped us from remaining friends.

You ask what I'm going to do about it? Simple, I make my viewpoints known and clear, so there is no room for any misunderstanding. I pray for them, for their understanding, and their Salvation. I invite them to accept Jesus as their Savior, and give them an option to accept or reject Him. It isn't my place to change anyone, only to spread the Word.

But then, you are tolerant.
To be intolerant, by definition, means:
lack of toleration; unwillingness or refusal to tolerate or respect contrary opinions or beliefs, persons of different races or backgrounds

You are able to have friends, and one must assume, treat them with respect, despite the fact that you disagree on the issue of homosexaulity.

Tolerance:
The capacity for or the practice of recognizing and respecting the beliefs or practices of others.

So, you "tolerate" homosexuality and homosexuals, while you do not agree with it nor condone it.

This is, why I believe, these kind of arguments are trying to get at - that tolerance=condoning, which is far from the definition.

 

[Beanieboy]

This is really a pointless discussion of arguing semantics.

I remember seeing a documentary with a teacher saying, The only thing I won't tolerate is intolerance. Immediately, people were saying, "Isn't that intolerance itself?" The teacher explained that he would tolerate others' differing beliefs and encouraged them, but did not tolerate those who refused to treat others with respect and common courtesy because they were different or had opposing viewpoints.

One can say, "I hate hatred" without it being a contradiction.

It's those that want to argue its semantics that usually are trying to justify hatred, or in this case, intolerance.

I have seen people misquote the bible to show that God supports hate, that hate is not the opposite love, but that God actually hates, that it is ok to hate sinners as God does, to hate enemies of God, etc.

Deep down, they know better, and that's why we play these ridiculous word games - to cloud the issue.

 

[ChaliceThunder]

This is, why I believe, these kind of arguments are trying to get at - that tolerance=condoning, which is far from the definition.

As always, you make excellent points.

I would add to your above phrase that it is not within another person's perview to CONDONE my sexual orientation, just as it is not within my perview to condone theirs.

(I can scratch my head and wonder all day long why some men are attracted to women, but whether or not I approve of it is just not part of my job description as a member of the human race.)

 

[JAS4Yeshua]

Yes, tolerance is being used to condone hatred, but that isn't all. It is also being used as a shield to hide behind and to sling judgements by, saying that anyone who doesn't agree is immediately intolerant.

ChaliceThunder helps prove my point. By stating that we cannot state what we condone or not condone. Tolerance and condoning are not equal, yet our society is trying to make them equal. Once can condone or not condone an action and yet still be tolerant of the person. Condoning means approval; tolerance means respect. That's the bottom line. Condoning/Approval and Tolerance/Respect are different and need to remain that way.

I admit, in my last post, I used tolerate incorrectly, and should have used condone in its place, but the fact was, we were talking about tolerance, and society's redefining of what the word means.

 

[JAS4Yeshua]

Oh, and before you ask "what gives you the right to condone..." think about what you are asking. That very question is not condoning my actions. Everyone condones or doesn't condone actions, and they verbalize them, whether they realize it or not. The question is, how are you going to verbalize them when you do? Politely, informing someone of what you believe and why; or with anger, self-rightousness, hatred or intolerance. I would hope the former would be the answer.

 

[ChaliceThunder]

Yes, tolerance is being used to condone hatred, but that isn't all. It is also being used as a shield to hide behind and to sling judgements by, saying that anyone who doesn't agree is immediately intolerant.

ChaliceThunder helps prove my point. By stating that we cannot state what we condone or not condone. Tolerance and condoning are not equal, yet our society is trying to make them equal. Once can condone or not condone an action and yet still be tolerant of the person. Condoning means approval; tolerance means respect. That's the bottom line. Condoning/Approval and Tolerance/Respect are different and need to remain that way.

I admit, in my last post, I used tolerate incorrectly, and should have used condone in its place, but the fact was, we were talking about tolerance, and society's redefining of what the word means.

Brother, with all due respect, I believe you may have missed my point entirely.

My faithful, monogamous relationship with the man God gave me 22 years ago is not subject to your approval or disapproval in any way whatsoever. You can agree or disagree with it, though it makes no difference, but applying your condoning is not up for discussion.

Your marriage is the same to me. While I will rejoice with you that you have found a mate with whom to share your life, it's not for me to approve or disapprove. What God has joined, let no one put assunder. (My choice to support you with my prayers is certainly appropriate, though, and I do wish you every happiness.)

 

[JAS4Yeshua]

My point wasn't about your lifestyle. My point was about your comment about condoning. I was saying we don't have to condone to be tolerant. They are completely different.

 

[ChaliceThunder]

My point wasn't about your lifestyle. My point was about your comment about condoning. I was saying we don't have to condone to be tolerant. They are completely different.

Well I agree with that. I must have misunderstood you.

I thought that you were asserting that is was appropriate for you to condone or not condone my relationship. My apologies.