TODAY you will be with me in paradise

[dms1972]

"Some believe that the dead have a conscious spirit/physical existence in Sheol/Hades as in the story of The Rich Man and Lazarus. I think that is a parable meant to be symbolic and not physical."

I would be inclined to say the language in that parable is figurative, rather than symbolic, but without denying that it refers to a place and state of the departed.

 

[tonychanyt]

"Some believe that the dead have a conscious spirit/physical existence in Sheol/Hades as in the story of The Rich Man and Lazarus. I think that is a parable meant to be symbolic and not physical."

I would probably say the language in that parable is figurative, rather than symbolic.

Do you believe physically dead people experience the passage of time like living people?

 

[dms1972]

Do you believe physically dead people experience the passage of time like living people?

Well maybe not exactly like living conscious people, but I don't think they are necessarily outside of time. But honestly I don't know for sure.

CS Lewis speculated that time for the redeemed departed maybe would not be strictly linear, but might have more "breadth" so to speak. Its in his book Prayer: Letters to Malcolm. His thoughts on it are not revelation, just speculation. I don't have the book to hand at the moment to give a quote.

 

[tonychanyt]

CS Lewis speculated that time for the redeemed departed maybe would not be strictly linear

Can you quote his words? Thanks.

 

[Dan Perez]

Do you distinguish between spirit and soul?

Read Luke 16:22-31 !!

The soul is in HELL !!

The SPIRIT goes back to God that gave it , Ecc 12:7 !!

And the BODY goes to the Grave /


But a believers body goes the grave !!

So where does the SPIRIT go ??

Also notice that there NO PURGUATORY here at all !!

Read 2 Cor 12;1-4 !!


dan p

 

[throughfiierytrial]

Jesus didn't go to paradise "today "when He said that before dying, He rested in His tomb and didn't rise again until the first day and stayed with His disciples before ascending back to heaven. There is no scripture that says we go to heaven upon our death, the saved are raised at the Second Coming of Jesus. Judgement is the last day, not when we die.


1 Thessalonians 4:16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: 17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

Rev 22:12 “Behold, I am coming quickly, and My reward is with Me, to render to every man according to what he has done.

John 12:48 48 He who rejects Me, and does not receive My words, has that which judges him—the word that I have spoken will judge him in the last day.

I wonder if the fact that Christ's work has been finished from the creation of the world (Hebrews 4:3) has already been taken into consideration while pondering all this. In my opinion this fact points to immediacy.

 

[Dan Perez]

I wonder if the fact that Christ's work has been finished from the creation of the world (Hebrews 4:3) has already been taken into consideration while pondering all this. In my opinion this fact points to immediacy.

First I see that I Thess 4:16 and Rev 12:48 , COLLIDE , because 1 Thess 4 :16 is written to the Body of Christ

and Rev 12:48 is written to Israel !!

In Luke 16:20 , we see Lazarus with Abraham !

Then we the rich man in verse 22 , died and was BURIED .

# 1 So we three acts here , he DIED !

# 2 THE rich man BODY was BURIED !

# 3 So what happened to his spirit ??

In the believer ,when he dies , the BODY is BURIED !!

The spirit is SAVED , so where does his spirit go ??

And where his soul GO ?

dan p

 

[throughfiierytrial]

First I see that I Thess 4:16 and Rev 12:48 , COLLIDE , because 1 Thess 4 :16 is written to the Body of Christ

and Rev 12:48 is written to Israel !!

In Luke 16:20 , we see Lazarus with Abraham !

Then we the rich man in verse 22 , died and was BURIED .

# 1 So we three acts here , he DIED !

# 2 THE rich man BODY was BURIED !

# 3 So what happened to his spirit ??

In the believer ,when he dies , the BODY is BURIED !!

The spirit is SAVED , so where does his spirit go ??

And where his soul GO ?

dan p

Ecclesiastes 12:6-7:
Remember him—before the silver cord is severed,
and the golden bowl is broken;
before the pitcher is shattered at the spring,
and the wheel broken at the well,
7 and the dust returns to the ground it came from,
and the spirit returns to God who gave it.

His souls goes to heaven.

 

[Dan Perez]

Ecclesiastes 12:6-7:
Remember him—before the silver cord is severed,
and the golden bowl is broken;
before the pitcher is shattered at the spring,
and the wheel broken at the well,
7 and the dust returns to the ground it came from,
and the spirit returns to God who gave it.

His souls goes to heaven.

And do you have a verse ?

dan p

 

[Dan Perez]

Ecclesiastes 12:6-7:
Remember him—before the silver cord is severed,
and the golden bowl is broken;
before the pitcher is shattered at the spring,
and the wheel broken at the well,
7 and the dust returns to the ground it came from,
and the spirit returns to God who gave it.

His souls goes to heaven.

And Jesus when nailed to the cross said to the thief TODAY shall thou be with me in PARADISE .

and no one has ever ascended up to heaven , but He that came DOWN from heaven , even the Son of Man

which is in heaven .

dan p

Today all SAVED BY GRACE go the Third Heaven , called PARADISE , as 2 COR 12:1-4 because there has to be a

RESURRECTION , as written in 1 Thess 4:17 , or as written i 2 Thess 2:3 except the APOSTASIA // means the DEPARTURE

SHOULD COME FIRST , and the man of sin should come