"Today You Will Be with Me in Paradise"

[EndTimeMagi]

Christ, hearing the request “remember me when You come into Your kingdom!” promised they would both be in paradise that same day He spoke of it, not after 3 days while their bodies lay in tombs. So, what can be said, other than they’d both be brought into paradise on the same day they passed out of their bodies. It seems only Christ’s earthly body would be revisited by the Spirit of Christ three days later, when His body would be raised, and transformed, prepared for His Kingdom. These passages read as though His spirit must have spent all three days in paradise before returning.

 

[timothyu]

You need to realize that punctuation was not part of the original scriptures and a purposely placed comma could simply change a passage to fit the narrative of the gentile church which later added it. Remove that comma and Jesus simply said to the poor fellow that today I say to you...

 

[EndTimeMagi]

A good number of ways, though they all seem to agree
One thing for sure, there is nothing that would confirm Christ spent anytime in death.

 

[timothyu]

Again, punctuation was added much later. It could have just as easily said 'And Jesus said to him, “Assuredly, I say to you today, you will be with Me in Paradise.”'

 

[EndTimeMagi]

Hello again my brother,
Just as easy should not make it feasible, It's not like He would want to spend time in death for no good reason. I can't see death grappling with the Savior of our souls.

 

[ValeriyK2022]

Опять же, пунктуация была добавлена намного позже. Точно так же можно было бы сказать: «И сказал ему Иисус: истинно говорю тебе сегодня , ты будешь со Мною в раю».

You forget that Jesus Christ is not only a man, but also God. As God, He could be in many places at the same time.

The dogmatic definition of the Orthodox Church on this topic says the following: “The soul of Christ, although separated from His body, always remained united with the Divinity and descended with Him into hell. We have been sufficiently convinced of this from the numerous church hymns on this subject, which teach that Christ descended into hell in his soul and divinity. As this church troparion specifically expresses [this dogma]: “In the tomb with flesh, and in hell with soul, like God, in paradise with the robber and on the throne You were, Christ, with the Father and the Spirit, filling everything, Boundless.”

So on the day of death on the cross Jesus Christ was in the tomb in the flesh, and at the same time in his soul he was simultaneously in hell with Adam, and in paradise with the thief, and on the throne was Jesus Christ with the Father and the Spirit.

We must also remember that until now only Jesus Christ had a soul and a body united. A thief in heaven has only a soul. The souls of dead people are now in heaven and hell without bodies, they will be united with the bodies only after the Second Coming of Jesus Christ.

 

[EndTimeMagi]

Dearest ValeriyK2022

Saying I forget is a presumption of which I must forgive.

The Savior of our souls is Son of the Creator of our souls, His Heavenly Father, and One with His Heavenly Father. As husbands, we too are one with our wives, sharing equally in the great power, and many benefits of holy matrimony, yet led by hopefully, a spirit-filled husband.

Genesis 2:24: "Therefore a man shall leave his father and his mother and hold fast to his wife, and they shall become one flesh."
That cannot mean 'I’m my wife'.

#1 Request from the crucified sinner:
“remember me when You come into Your kingdom!”
#2 Response from the Crucified Savior of our souls:
“Truly I tell you, today you will be with Me in paradise.”

With His own spoken words, the Crucified Savior of our souls proclaimed He would be in paradise, with that crucified sinner on that selfsame day, not plunged down among the forsaken.

Commentary, as always, must remain uncanonized.

May the Creator of our souls make our understanding fast.

 

[ValeriyK2022]

Dearest EndTimeMagi!​

You've got everything mixed up. You and your wife are 2 people. The dogmas of the Christian church say that we have not 2 Gods and not 3, but one God. So the comparison with you and your wife is not correct.

God is one, but has 3 hypostases: Father, Son and Holy Spirit. God the Son became incarnate in man, therefore Jesus Christ is both God and man. As a man He suffered on the cross, but as God He is always omnipresent, as God the Father and God the Holy Spirit.

He was like a man with a body in a tomb, but as God He was on the same day in paradise with the thief, and in hell with Adam and next to God the Father (who is also omnipresent).

The Creed: The Symbol of Faith​

I believe in one God, the Father Almighty, Maker of Heaven and Earth and of all things visible and invisible.

And in one Lord Jesus Christ, the Son of God, the only-begotten, begotten of the Father before all ages. Light of light; true God of true God; begotten, not made; of one essence with the Father, by Whom all things were made; Who for us men and for our salvation came down from Heaven, and was incarnate of the Holy Spirit and the Virgin Mary, and became man. And He was crucified for us under Pontius Pilate, and suffered, and was buried. And the third day He arose again, according to the Scriptures, and ascended into Heaven, and sits at the right hand of the Father; and He shall come again with glory to judge the living and the dead; Whose Kingdom shall have no end.

And in the Holy Spirit, the Lord, the Giver of Life, Who proceeds from the Father; Who with the Father and the Son together is worshipped and glorified; Who spoke by the prophets.

In one Holy, Catholic, and Apostolic Church. I acknowledge one baptism for the remission of sins. I look for the resurrection of the dead and the life of the world to come. Amen.

Common Prayers - The Creed: The Symbol of Faith

I believe in one God, the Father Almighty, Maker of Heaven and Earth and of all things visible and invisible. And in one Lord Jesus Christ, the Son of God, the only-begotten, begotten of the Father before all ages. Light of light; true God of true God; begotten, not made; of one essence with...

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[EndTimeMagi]

I read the bible as written.

 

[EndTimeMagi]

Those wanting to send Yahusha to hell have something to answer for.

 

[ValeriyK2022]

I read the bible as written.

You read through the lens of your own vision, not as it is written. The Bible was written by the Holy Spirit. And only the Holy Spirit interprets it correctly.

 

[ValeriyK2022]

You read through the lens of your own vision, not as it is written. The Bible was written by the Holy Spirit. And only the Holy Spirit interprets it correctly.

For there is not a word in my tongue,
But, lo, O Jehovah, thou knowest it altogether.
5Thou hast beset me behind and before,
And laid thy hand upon me.
6 Such knowledge is too wonderful for me;
It is high, I cannot attain unto it.
7Whither shall I go from thy Spirit?
Or whither shall I flee from thy presence?
If I ascend up into heaven, thou art there:
If I make my bed in Sheol, behold, thou art there.
(PSALMS 139)

 

[EndTimeMagi]

There is nothing that says the Holy Spirit wrote the Bible, so who's lens are you looking through?

"If I ascend up into heaven, thou art there:
If I make my bed in Sheol, behold, thou art there"
And with that, you presume Yashuah went somewhere else, rather than where He said he would go?
Forget 'lenses', you're doing something else here.

 

[EndTimeMagi]

“Truly I tell you, today you will be with Me in paradise” Today was the day He died on the cross, and went to PARADISE.

 

[ValeriyK2022]

There is nothing that says the Holy Spirit wrote the Bible, so who's lens are you looking through?

"If I ascend up into heaven, thou art there:
If I make my bed in Sheol, behold, thou art there"
And with that, you presume Yashuah went somewhere else, rather than where He said he would go?
Forget 'lenses', you're doing something else here.

All scripture is given by inspiration of God (2 Timothy 3:16)

God doesn't have to go anywhere. He is the omnipresent Spirit.

 

[EndTimeMagi]

Yahusha is The Living Word.. Knowing this does not make anyone a theologian.
Yahusha, the Son of the Creator of our souls

, told us where He would go, denying this is an attempt to change scripture. Are you Catholic, Mormon, or Seventh-day Adventist?

 

[EndTimeMagi]

 

[ValeriyK2022]

Yahusha is The Living Word.. Knowing this does not make anyone a theologian.
Yahusha, the Son of the Creator of our soulsView attachment 330731, told us where He would go, denying this is an attempt to change scripture. Are you Catholic, Mormon, or Seventh-day Adventist?

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Do you want me to repeat the same thing again?

Jesus Christ, the Son of God, is both God and man. As a Man: his body was in a coffin, and his soul was with a robber in paradise. As God, he was everywhere at the same time, including on the throne at the right hand of God the Father and in hell with Adam.

I am Orthodox Christian.

 

[EndTimeMagi]

There isn't a single bit of scripture that you can produce that indicates Yahusha went south. It's some kind of weird assumption, to even wish for such a thing, but wishing is all it is.
Why keep pounding this false teaching, with the glaring absence of proof in scripture?

 

[EndTimeMagi]

I'm American Southern Baptist btw, you never told me your denomination.