Today is a sad day

[Phinehas2]

Dear Ohioprof,

Maybe self-righteousness is deciding that YOU know what is "sin" for other people, that your interpretation of the Bible is the right one for other people and that their interpretation is wrong. Maybe that is self-righteousness. And maybe that is the sin. Just a possibility.

You see you are just giving your ideas again, mine are that yours are just plain wrong, but unlike your ideas mine are with reference to the Bible, to which I have been referring.

 

[Floatingaxe]

Maybe self-righteousness is deciding that YOU know what is "sin" for other people, that your interpretation of the Bible is the right one for other people and that their interpretation is wrong. Maybe that is self-righteousness. And maybe that is the sin. Just a possibility.

Funny. God tells us what sin is. He makes no bones about it. I don't argue with Him with high-falutin' language, either. He isn't snowed easily.

When you have the Holy Spirit living in you, you don;t make too many errors where sin is concerned. He is faithful to let us know! There is only one interpretation of the Bible, and He tells us all what it is. The Body of Christ is united in this. Those who are out of step with the Body of Christ are sinning, obviously.

 

[tulc]

Funny. God tells us what sin is. He makes no bones about it. I don't argue with Him with high-falutin' language, either. He isn't snowed easily.

Actually, He's not snowed at all. But since this was about you and your beliefs, not Him, I'm not real sure what your point was.

When you have the Holy Spirit living in you, you don;t make too many errors where sin is concerned.

...wait...are you saying "If the Holy Spirit REALLY lived in you you wouldn't sin."?

He is faithful to let us know!

I'm a big believer in Gods faithfulness, so !

There is only one interpretation of the Bible, and He tells us all what it is.

Uhmmm...so Roman Catholics, Orthodox, Anglicans, Baptists, Pentecostals etc would all read the Bible and come to same conclusions about every single thing in it?

The Body of Christ is united in this.

Really?

Those who are out of step with the Body of Christ are sinning, obviously.

So...as long as they agree with you they are right and where they disagree they are sinning?
tulc(that doesn't sound...right)

 

[Celticflower]

I've decided that, while I can't force people to agree with my view on things, I will continue to live my life as I am led to by God. If that offends anybody, so be it. It will all be sorted out in the end anyway.

 

[Floatingaxe]

Actually, He's not snowed at all. But since this was about you and your beliefs, not Him, I'm not real sure what your point was.

It's not about me--it's about Jesus. Everything's about Him!

...wait...are you saying "If the Holy Spirit REALLY lived in you you wouldn't sin."?

When the Holy Spirit is living in a person in fullness of power and gifting, that person doesn't deliberately EMBRACE sin! He has the fruit of self-control and exercises it. Whether he is a new believer or a mature one, he has the discernment and Holy Spirit stirrings that warn him that what he is thinking is sin! In a Christian who truly loves Jesus and follows Him, you won't find that kind of perversion acted out without great remorse and search for help.

I'm a big believer in Gods faithfulness, so !

I'm happy about that, at least!

Uhmmm...so Roman Catholics, Orthodox, Anglicans, Baptists, Pentecostals etc would all read the Bible and come to same conclusions about every single thing in it?

Sadly, sectariansim causes divisions that God hates. However, true believers, the Church of Jesus Christ, are unified in matters of sin and all basic doctines of Jesus Christ.

Really?

Yes, really. The Church, the brethren in Christ, are united.

So...as long as they agree with you they are right and where they disagree they are sinning?
tulc(that doesn't sound...right)

It doesn't sound right because you are wrong. The church of Jesus Christ worldwide AGREES WITH JESUS! where they disagree with Him and His word, they sin! Unfortunately, homosexuals do that in every instance, and those who encourage them are just as guilty as they water down the gospel, influenced by secularism, this society's general immorality, and fear of not being counted among the popular view. Jesus Christ will have His day, and He will require your compromise to be paid for.

 

[tulc]

It's not about me--it's about Jesus. Everything's about Him!

Well...the question being asked wasn't about Him, it was about your beliefs.

When the Holy Spirit is living in a person in fullness of power and gifting, that person doesn't deliberately EMBRACE sin! He has the fruit of self-control and exercises it. Whether he is a new believer or a mature one, he has the discernment and Holy Spirit stirrings that warn him that what he is thinking is sin! In a Christian who truly loves Jesus and follows Him, you won't find that kind of perversion acted out without great remorse and search for help.

Uhmmm ok.

I'm happy about that, at least!

Hey! We agree on something! Yeah us!

Sadly, sectariansim causes divisions that God hates. However, true believers, the Church of Jesus Christ, are unified in matters of sin and all basic doctines of Jesus Christ.

...you believe the Pope is the head of the Church on Earth?

Yes, really. The Church, the brethren in Christ, are united.

I believe they will be, and I believe we can do our best here but the unity you seem to think we have here on Earth? I think that's why Jesus said we are to love one another not we are to be same as one another.

It doesn't sound right because you are wrong. The church of Jesus Christ worldwide AGREES WITH JESUS! where they disagree with Him and His word, they sin! Unfortunately, homosexuals do that in every instance, and those who encourage them are just as guilty as they water down the gospel, influenced by secularism, this society's general immorality, and fear of not being counted among the popular view. Jesus Christ will have His day, and He will require your compromise to be paid for.

Uhmmm again, it isn't Jesus people are disagreeing with, it's your view of Jesus. There's a difference.
tulc(glad we could agree on something at last!)

 

[Floatingaxe]

...you believe the Pope is the head of the Church on Earth?

Where did you get that ghastly notion?

 

[Floatingaxe]

Uhmmm again, it isn't Jesus people are disagreeing with, it's your view of Jesus. There's a difference.
tulc(glad we could agree on something at last!)

Uh--no. It is Jesus people here who support the sin of homosexuality are disagreeing with. I am with God wholeheartedly in the matter. There is no difference!

 

[Crazy Liz]

I and my Father are one?

 

[tulc]

Uh--no. It is Jesus people here who support the sin of homosexuality are disagreeing with. I am with God wholeheartedly in the matter. There is no difference!

hmmm I forgot a comma! Sorry! that should read:

Uhmmm again, it isn't Jesus, people are disagreeing with, it's your view of Jesus. There's a difference. (emph. added)

Is that clearer?
tulc(really needs more coffee)

 

[tulc]

Where did you get that ghastly notion?

There is a large part of the Body of Christ that does indeed believe that, and that seems like a pretty fundamental belief for people to disagree about. My point is we (Christians) have some pretty divergent beliefs and for you to say we agree on most things I'm going to have to say "uhmmm not so much."
tulc(loves the fact that we don't have to agree on everything to be brothers and sisters in the Lord)

 

[Ohioprof]

Dear Ohioprof,
You see you are just giving your ideas again, mine are that yours are just plain wrong, but unlike your ideas mine are with reference to the Bible, to which I have been referring.

My ideas are based on a variety of sources of knowledge, including the Bible. You and I simply interpret the Bible differently and understand its meaning differently.

 

[Ohioprof]

Funny. God tells us what sin is. He makes no bones about it. I don't argue with Him with high-falutin' language, either. He isn't snowed easily.

When you have the Holy Spirit living in you, you don;t make too many errors where sin is concerned. He is faithful to let us know! There is only one interpretation of the Bible, and He tells us all what it is. The Body of Christ is united in this. Those who are out of step with the Body of Christ are sinning, obviously.

If there is only one interpretation of the Bible, then why are all these Christians interpreting it differently from each other? Why do these debate forums even exist if there is only one interpretation of the Bible? Why are Christians divided into sects if there is only one interpretation of the Bible?
Christians do not seem united to me over the issue of how to regard gay people. There is currently much division between Christians over that issue.

Are you suggesting that those who do not interpret the Bible as you do are "sinning" because they think differently from you? What happened to freedom of thought and freedom of conscience?

 

[Phinehas2]

Dear Ohiprof,

If there is only one interpretation of the Bible, then why are all these Christians interpreting it differently from each other?

We aren't talking about interpretation, we are talking about disbelief, what you call interpretation is often disbelief.

Christians do not seem united to me over the issue of how to regard gay people. There is currently much division between Christians over that issue.

I wouldnt say there was, I would say Chistians are clear about it.

 

[Ohioprof]

Dear Ohiprof,
We aren't talking about interpretation, we are talking about disbelief, what you call interpretation is often disbelief.
I wouldnt say there was, I would say Chistians are clear about it.

Of course we are talking about interpretation. Different Christians interpret the Bible differently when it comes to the question of what the Bible says or does not say about same-sex marriage. The Bible says nothing at all about same-sex marriage. You and some others interpret that silence to mean that same-sex marriage is a "sin." I interpret the Bible's silence to mean that it says nothing about same-sex marriage specifically, and we have to look to other sources to understand the place of same-sex marriage in God's universe.

Your argument that Christians are "clear" about same-sex marriage implies that those who disagree with your particular interpretation of the Bible are not Christians. That belief of yours would result in a lot of Christians being kicked out of the fold.

 

[Phinehas2]

Dear Ohioprof,

Of course we are talking about interpretation.

No you are talking about interpretation and I am talking about disbelief.

Different Christians interpret the Bible differently

But Christians believe the Bible.

when it comes to the question of what the Bible says or does not say about same-sex marriage.

The Bible tells us there is no such thing as same-sex marriage so the Bible wont say anything about it whether people look for it or not.

Your argument that Christians are "clear" about same-sex marriage

yes they are, I believe Christians believe the Bible and I have given you what the Bible says. I have also asked you to consider that marriage is described throughout the Bible as man and woman which is opposite sex, your idea of same-sex marriage is unbiblical its, ad you are using a non-Biblical idea to try and judge the Bible by.

implies that those who disagree with your particular interpretation of the Bible are not Christians.

Well that’s you deciding which particular people are or are not Christian again, that’s against the rules.

 

[Rajni]

The Bible tells us there is no such thing as same-sex marriage so the Bible wont say anything about it whether people look for it or not.

Wait ... if the bible tells us there is no such thing as same-sex marriage, why wouldn't it say anything about it? That statement makes no sense to me ... then again, it could very well be that I need more coffee, lol!




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[Phinehas2]

Dear chaela,

Wait ... if the bible tells us there is no such thing as same-sex marriage, why wouldn't it say anything about it?

It tells us marriage is man and woman which is opposite sex isnt it, so whoever got the idea of 'same-sex marriage' needs to explain where they got such a nonsense unBiblical idea from and what on earth they are on about.

 

[Floatingaxe]

hmmm I forgot a comma! Sorry! that should read:

Is that clearer?
tulc(really needs more coffee)

Ummm, it is Jesus that people are disagreeing with. My view just agrees with His. Is that clearer?

 

[Floatingaxe]

There is a large part of the Body of Christ that does indeed believe that, and that seems like a pretty fundamental belief for people to disagree about. My point is we (Christians) have some pretty divergent beliefs and for you to say we agree on most things I'm going to have to say "uhmmm not so much."
tulc(loves the fact that we don't have to agree on everything to be brothers and sisters in the Lord)

The Body of Christ does not believe that. Catholics do. The true Body of Christ is not soft on sin. We know what God thinks of homosexuality, and we have unity in that...if you find yourself at odds with it, then you are out of step with Him and the Church, the Body, and you sow disunity.

God sees it, and He takes note.