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This is my last post to you. You might go look up the word for rested in Genesis 2:2. It is Shabbat with a prefix.... but you knew that, you read Hebrew, right?
So where is your Scripture? All I saw was commentary or a lose paraphrase with no reference. You have the opportunity to show how ignorant I am. Why not put me in my place?A sword is sharpened when the edge is rubbed firmly against another edge. It is damaged when it is used in a sword fight. You want to fight, you want to beat your chest, you want the world you see how smart you think you are as you hide behind a screen name, BUG. I am blocking you now not because I don't have the resources to engage and debate, but because I realize there will be no one edified in the process. This will turn, is turning, into a theological urinating match that causes division, which is something God HATES. (Prov. 6:16-19)
When you get to a point where you can have the discussion, Google me, you'll find me. Until then, be blessed and have a great life.
I would worry about keeping what God actually said before trying
to keep what the Rabbis or other men say. The not driving cars thing
is ridiculous, along with some of the other traditions, like not turning
lights on or off, or pushing buttons on an elevator.
Let it drop? You get your say and I don't have any chance for rebuttal?Same, gather as you are convicted. Just throwing this in and will then let is drop.
You would really ask that? Jesus saves us from the second death. Jesus never ever has shielded mankind from temptation.If Yeshua is your rest, then why are you still decaying, dying, exposed to sin, tempted?
maybe you should restudy your thoughts. When I accepted Jesus as my Savior I started my journey into everlasting life. Jude 1:Don't get me wrong, we are children of God, but if the wages of sin is death, and we still die, then what he earned the right to do at Calvary has not been applied yet.
Amen!That us why 2 Cor. 1:22 and 5:5 call the giving of the Holy Spirit a down payment. That indicates God is planning on giving us much more.
I find that very difficult to believe. I am sure you are not calloused and do not reflect on how you have lived up to the commands of Israel's Sabbath. When I found out that Jesus never asked that I obey the Sabbath command given only to Israel I rejoiced. My ignorance of Jesus' messages to all Christians found in the New Testament of the Holy Writ kept me in bondage for many years. I have always been free, free in Christ, I just was too caught up in what someone said instead of searching the real truth.Not in the least....
The problem you and all Sabbath enthusiasts have is your decision as to what are the rules. John the apostle tells us the rules are ass follows: This is how we KNOW we belong to the truth........believe in the name of his Son, Jesus Christ, and to love one another as he commanded us. 24 The one who keeps God’s commands lives in him, and he in them. 1Jn3. You would tell us the rules are keeping the Torah which were the laws given to Israel. Laws given only to Israel. Why would I, a Christian, need to follow laws designed for Israel which is now a defunct nation?Yeshua didn't give his life so that we don't obey God. He is Lord, we live by His rules, not ours. That said, just throwing another thing out to consider....
You probably look at Matthew 5:17 as a verse that states the end of the law. However, that common mainstream interpretation actually forces that verse to contradict itself. It says, "I did not come to do away with the Law I came to fulfill it." If "fulfill it" means it has been done away with, which is how many churches teach the verse, then, "I have not come to do away with the law but rather to fulfill it" is being taught as, "I have not come to do away with but rather do away with."
The word in Greek can be translated as fulfill but not as in bring an end to.... rather, to DO IT THE WAY IT WAS INTENDED. In other words, Yeshua came and walked out God's instructions not only perfectly, but as the model God expects all His people to follow. He is our model, we follow him... but we don't do what he did?
Didn't misrepresent anything. The fact that something specific is mentioned has no bearing on the truth. For instance take a vehicle. It is not mentioned in the law. Correct? But I ask you what does a vehicle do? Does it not replace the beast of burden for example? IOW if you didn't have a vehicle how would you transport your stuff? All the lawyers I know avoid the law in this way. Funny thing is a vehicle was a beast for my SDA neighbor when he hired me to get it out of the ditch on the Sabbath after I advised him to stay at home during inclement weather the night before. It was a vehicle when transporting him to Sabbath worship and became a beast when in the ditch. He violated the 4th commandment on more than one count.
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I am very curious, have you checked what the original language actually says? If it is the same thing why does Moses use different words? In Gen Moses says 7th day and in Ex Moses says Sabbath.
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Exo_35:3 Ye shall kindle no fire throughout your habitations upon the sabbath day.
The children of Israel did not have the opportunity to decide what was ridiculous.
Picking up sticks was not a big deal either. It was the intent of the person.Do you think God would have considered pushing a button to be work?
Or turning a key to be lighting a fire? They were being trained to trust
God, not to nitpick his commands and use them against others.
I find that very difficult to believe. I am sure you are not calloused and do not reflect on how you have lived up to the commands of Israel's Sabbath. When I found out that Jesus never asked that I obey the Sabbath command given only to Israel I rejoiced.
And to think, all the trying you do doesn't put one feather in your cap. 2Cor 3:7-11 tells us the 10 commandments were temporary laws. They ended at the Cross when the new covenant was ushered in, ratified by Jesus blood and is the covenant we will follow until Jesus comes in the clouds of Glory.
I rejoice in the new covenant. A better covenant with better promises.How someone who claims to love God can rejoice when his laws are set aside is a
wonder to me. (1 John 5:3) God didn't set aside his laws. I have read the NT and
there is no law abrogating the whole Torah, because God would not allow it.
Remember at the time of 1 John, there was no NT, only Torah and the OT.
sorry I have no idea what your thought is.So who did?
Did God give Adam the Torah? Did He give Noah Torah, how about Abraham. Yep, God did change His laws for certain people throughout the ages. Your theory is full of holes.What would you call someone who says one thing, changes it, then changes back?
A liar? Mentally unstable? Do you know that law-breaking theology makes that of God?
At best, it has him giving different laws to two groups when he forbade Israel from doing
that to other people. Do we serve a God with two sets of weights and measures? In
other words, a conman or swindler?
Of course they were to keep Sabbath because they were under Sabbath law. Christians are under Grace and the Sabbath is now a mere shadow from a defunct Torah which was given to a now defunct nation.See Isaiah 56:1-8 for the future, where those who keep law and Sabbath are honored.
By contrast, those who don't will be destroyed as being lawless, or unrepentant sinners.
Another part of the now defunct nation of Israel which gentiles were never ever under. Jesus even is quoted as saying it is not what goes into the mouth that defiles it is what comes out. Love your fellow man, that is what pleases Jesus not observing ritual days meant for only one nation that is now defunct.Also Isaiah 66:16-17.
If we can now eat anything, why call swine's flesh an abomination and destroy those
eating it? Remember, this is future, and not only Israel. v. 18 mentions all nations.
Do you know what really pleases Jesus? Well, it is not trying to observe ritual laws given only to Israel. Jesus is quoted as saying:You are looking at this from the wrong end. We keep the law
because we are saved and want to please God, not to seek
favor or salvation. If we have no desire to please him rather
than ourselves, then I would be worried. Israel's problem in
Isaiah was that they took God for granted, and treated him
like a beggar instead of their king, offering lame and blind
sacrifices; things they would not eat, much less offer as
spotless holy offerings.
Funny you cannot accept that Jesus fulfilled the Torah. He didn't tell us He would be fulfilling everything. It amazes me that you cannot understand that Heaven and earth passing is an expression not reality. If you believe Jesus didn't fulfill Torah then not one jot nor one tittle can pass from Torah. You are obligated to observe ever jot of the 613 laws. You had better get started rebuilding the Temple and finding some Levites for the Priesthood. Doesn't that sound stupid even to you?Two things about the new covenant.
1. It isn't in operation yet, otherwise the laws would be written
on your heart and there wouldn't be a question of whether they
were set aside.
2. Till heaven and earth pass and ALL be fulfilled. Funny how people
dismiss both conditions. Heaven and earth both in place, and many
prophecies concerning Yeshua still to be fulfilled.
That has to be the most over used false statement. The only place you could have learned this is from your peers and hierarchy of the Messianic movement. It just is not the truth. Israel is defunct. There is no more promised land and an Israelite nation with a temple and Levite priesthood. No sacrificing animals and no tithing system to sustain the priesthood.Not that it would matter, because if you aren't joined to Israel through
adoption, which means UNDER THE LAW, we have no part of any of the
covenants, because none were made with lawless gentiles.
My vehicle has been sleeping for 2 days currently. It last ate when I drove it to town. It got its last medicine about 4500 miles ago. Pretty cheap for what it does.When did your vehicle last eat, sleep, get sick or give birth? Never?
No, because it is a machine, not a living being. Getting a beast out
of a ditch is not violating Sabbath, anyway. Neither is working in the
temple, though it is actual work, which is forbidden.
As I said, I would worry about keeping what God actually said before trying
to keep what the Rabbis or other men say.
No shabath is a verb and shabbath is a noun. I will look to see if I had to many "b" in my post.As someone told you earlier, look them up in Hebrew.
Sabbath or Shabbat means 7th day.
Different English words are used for clarification or context.
Your logic is more than I can bear.How someone who claims to love God can rejoice when his laws are set aside is a
wonder to me. (1 John 5:3) God didn't set aside his laws. I have read the NT and
there is no law abrogating the whole Torah, because God would not allow it.
Remember at the time of 1 John, there was no NT, only Torah and the OT.
So who did?
What would you call someone who says one thing, changes it, then changes back?
A liar? Mentally unstable? Do you know that law-breaking theology makes that of God?
At best, it has him giving different laws to two groups when he forbade Israel from doing
that to other people. Do we serve a God with two sets of weights and measures? In
other words, a conman or swindler?
See Isaiah 56:1-8 for the future, where those who keep law and Sabbath are honored.
By contrast, those who don't will be destroyed as being lawless, or unrepentant sinners.
Zechariah 14:16-18
Also Isaiah 66:16-17.
If we can now eat anything, why call swine's flesh an abomination and destroy those
eating it? Remember, this is future, and not only Israel. v. 18 mentions all nations.
IS Jesus your priest? Yes or no is all I need. IF you say yes, you violate your idea of Mat 5:17-18. If you say no you deny Jesus is your Savior.You are looking at this from the wrong end. We keep the law
because we are saved and want to please God, not to seek
favor or salvation. If we have no desire to please him rather
than ourselves, then I would be worried. Israel's problem in
Isaiah was that they took God for granted, and treated him
like a beggar instead of their king, offering lame and blind
sacrifices; things they would not eat, much less offer as
spotless holy offerings.
Two things about the new covenant.
1. It isn't in operation yet, otherwise the laws would be written
on your heart and there wouldn't be a question of whether they
were set aside.
2. Till heaven and earth pass and ALL be fulfilled. Funny how people
dismiss both conditions. Heaven and earth both in place, and many
prophecies concerning Yeshua still to be fulfilled.
Not that it would matter, because if you aren't joined to Israel through
adoption, which means UNDER THE LAW, we have no part of any of the
covenants, because none were made with lawless gentiles.
I rejoice in the new covenant. A better covenant with better promises.
But, we need a second witness, right? Well, Hebrews 8:8-11 is Jeremiah 31:31-34 being quoted word for word. The word for "new" in new covenant in Jeremiah is chadashah (H2319) which is the adjective form of the verb chadash (H2318) which means "to renew." If you don't believe me, look it up yourself.
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