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I'm sure you do. You're not a big proponent of examining oneself; you are, however, a huge proponent of pointing the finger at everyone else. So I'm not the least bit surprised to see you completely miss Jesus' lesson in giving here.
How in the world is that any different than someone giving a freewill offering today? The "fact" from the "text" (which record the words of Jesus) is that this woman gave out of her poverty. You can gloss over that all you like, but the fact is Jesus commended this widow giving out of her poverty.
You find yourself in the unenviable position of suggesting that Jesus was wrong in commending the widow for her giving and Paul was right saying that people shouldn't give if they don't have it. Good luck with that.
This is your weakest argument by far, Pinetree.
Posting "text" proves nothing more than one knows how to use a Bible search engine to search for keywords and how to use the copy/paste functionality of their operating system. It might impress you to see scads of "text" in posts, but it doesn't impress me much. Besides, I've learned that when I post "text" in conversations with you, you just completely ignore it.
This is just more empty nonsense, Pinetree. I can't answer nonsensical questions that have no basis in logic or reality. Sorry.
show me then, humor me, show where i posted text wrong, about the inner and outter conexion.
I sincerely have no idea what you're talking about.
But I'll take a shot at showing how outward appearances are no indication of what's on the inside. I know you'll ignore it completely, but this is for the benefit of anyone reading this discussion.
Jesus said this;Matthew 23:25-26 (NIV)Did you catch that Pinetree? Where did Jesus say they were full of "greed and self-indulgence"? On the "outside" where everyone could see? Nope. He said the outside looked nice and clean. But the inside is where they were full of "greed and self-indulgence".
Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You clean the outside of the cup and dish, but inside they are full of greed and self-indulgence. Blind Pharisee! First clean the inside of the cup and dish, and then the outside also will be clean.
Jesus went on to say this;Matthew 23:27-28 (NIV)Again, on the outside, everything looks beautiful and righteous. On the inside, hypocrisy and wickedness.
Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You are like whitewashed tombs, which look beautiful on the outside but on the inside are full of the bones of the dead and everything unclean. In the same way, on the outside you appear to people as righteous but on the inside you are full of hypocrisy and wickedness.
Jesus is saying, very plainly, that you can not look at the outside and accurately determine what is on the inside. In fact, He is saying that the outside can portray something 100% contrary to what is on the inside.
You are saying the exact opposite, that by looking at outward appearances, you can accurately evaluate the inside. But that stands in direct opposition to what Jesus is saying very clearly here.
That's why, according to Jesus, you're dead wrong in suggesting that you can look at the make and model of someone's car and determine if they're greedy or not.
I sincerely have no idea what you're talking about.
But I'll take a shot at showing how outward appearances are no indication of what's on the inside. I know you'll ignore it completely, but this is for the benefit of anyone reading this discussion.
Jesus said this;Matthew 23:25-26 (NIV)Did you catch that Pinetree? Where did Jesus say they were full of "greed and self-indulgence"? On the "outside" where everyone could see? Nope. He said the outside looked nice and clean. But the inside is where they were full of "greed and self-indulgence".
Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You clean the outside of the cup and dish, but inside they are full of greed and self-indulgence. Blind Pharisee! First clean the inside of the cup and dish, and then the outside also will be clean.
Jesus went on to say this;Matthew 23:27-28 (NIV)Again, on the outside, everything looks beautiful and righteous. On the inside, hypocrisy and wickedness.
Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You are like whitewashed tombs, which look beautiful on the outside but on the inside are full of the bones of the dead and everything unclean. In the same way, on the outside you appear to people as righteous but on the inside you are full of hypocrisy and wickedness.
Jesus is saying, very plainly, that you can not look at the outside and accurately determine what is on the inside. In fact, He is saying that the outside can portray something 100% contrary to what is on the inside.
You are saying the exact opposite, that by looking at outward appearances, you can accurately evaluate the inside. But that stands in direct opposition to what Jesus is saying very clearly here.
That's why, according to Jesus, you're dead wrong in suggesting that you can look at the make and model of someone's car and determine if they're greedy or not.
look at the thread, look at all the facts, and text posted so far, from my side of the isle, compared to your posts.
And if you don't see a difference of the widow giving to the temple of God, in an ordained place, vs a beemer pastor, what can i say to that!?
Pinetree, I'm convinced that you wouldn't know a fact if it bit you on the backside.
This is nothing more than a lame attempt at a simple distraction from the point you can not refute from the ...wait for it... text. You said that poor people should not give out of their poverty, yet Jesus commended the widow for giving out of her poverty. No matter how much you ignore it and try to say it's "different", it's still there. That's why you, once again, trot out the lame "Beemer" to distract from the fact that you can't refute the indisputable fact that Jesus commended the widow for doing something you say should not be done.
show me and refute my post, that had text, that showed the conjunction of the heart, to the externals.
when israel's heart was wrong, that would be an internal, did they then have external idols, and marry pagan women, which would be externals?
besides, Jesus talked about greed, as he also connected it to posessions, in real bibles it shows that.
Pinetree, I'm convinced that you wouldn't know a fact if it bit you on the backside.
This is nothing more than a lame attempt at a simple distraction from the point you can not refute from the ...wait for it... text. You said that poor people should not give out of their poverty, yet Jesus commended the widow for giving out of her poverty. No matter how much you ignore it and try to say it's "different", it's still there. That's why you, once again, trot out the lame "Beemer" to distract from the fact that you can't refute the indisputable fact that Jesus commended the widow for doing something you say should not be done.
All of these points have already been soundly refuted. That you simply ignore them does not change that fact.
So tell me, Pinetree, when are you going to start addressing what I post? I mean, it's like I'm talking to a 2-year old with their fingers in their ears shouting "la, la, la, la, I can't hear you! la, la, la!" You quote my posts, but then you don't address anything in them at all. Why don't you start explaining why you think Jesus was wrong in saying that the outside is no indication of the inside? I'd be truly fascinated to hear what you have to say about that.
but the scriptures also said not to give, and she was giving to the Temple of God,
yet u say beemer pastors and mansion living pastors, can get the widows mite!
This is the crux of where your argument falls apart. You say scriptures say not to give if you're poor, yet you acknowledge that she gave. There is no disputing the fact that Jesus Christ, the Word made flesh, commended her for this act. So you are, in essence, suggesting that Jesus commended the widow for doing something scripture says she should not do. Explain.
This is the distraction from the point you know that you can not refute. You recognize that you've painted yourself into a theological corner and so you.... LOOK! A SQUIRREL!
This is the crux of where your argument falls apart. You say scriptures say not to give if you're poor, yet you acknowledge that she gave. There is no disputing the fact that Jesus Christ, the Word made flesh, commended her for this act. So you are, in essence, suggesting that Jesus commended the widow for doing something scripture says she should not do. Explain.
This is the distraction from the point you know that you can not refute. You recognize that you've painted yourself into a theological corner and so you.... LOOK! A SQUIRREL!
and u misquoted me, show me where i ever said they can't give out of poverty...can't...show me the can't.
What are you talking about? I just scanned the last 120 posts of this thread and searched for the word "can't". Never once id I say that you said that they "can't" give out of poverty. On top of ignoring all I say, now you're bearing false witness against me.
All in an attempt to draw attention away from the fact that you're theological beliefs require putting Paul against Jesus.
naaa...u just know i am right,
What are you talking about? I just scanned the last 120 posts of this thread and searched for the word "can't". Never once id I say that you said that they "can't" give out of poverty. On top of ignoring all I say, now you're bearing false witness against me.
All in an attempt to draw attention away from the fact that you're theological beliefs require putting Paul against Jesus.
isn't the false witness phrase a wee bit strong here?
You seem to have some issues with self-affirmation. Usually people who actually are right don't have to run around proclaiming how right they are.
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