• Starting today August 7th, 2024, in order to post in the Married Couples, Courting Couples, or Singles forums, you will not be allowed to post if you have your Marital status designated as private. Announcements will be made in the respective forums as well but please note that if yours is currently listed as Private, you will need to submit a ticket in the Support Area to have yours changed.

  • CF has always been a site that welcomes people from different backgrounds and beliefs to participate in discussion and even debate. That is the nature of its ministry. In view of recent events emotions are running very high. We need to remind people of some basic principles in debating on this site. We need to be civil when we express differences in opinion. No personal attacks. Avoid you, your statements. Don't characterize an entire political party with comparisons to Fascism or Communism or other extreme movements that committed atrocities. CF is not the place for broad brush or blanket statements about groups and political parties. Put the broad brushes and blankets away when you come to CF, better yet, put them in the incinerator. Debate had no place for them. We need to remember that people that commit acts of violence represent themselves or a small extreme faction.

To Straight Men

morningstar2651

Senior Veteran
Dec 6, 2004
14,557
2,591
41
Arizona
✟81,649.00
Gender
Male
Faith
Pagan
Marital Status
Single
Politics
US-Others
From a straight man,

Being a free thinker and stuff, I'm going to go with no, just because I'm not sexually attracted to men, I'm hapily engaged to a wonderful woman, persecution blows, and I don't live my life by a single book.
 
Upvote 0

freealaska

Well-Known Member
Feb 19, 2005
840
129
49
Ketchikan Alaska
✟1,654.00
Faith
Non-Denom
Marital Status
Single
Politics
US-Others
gaijin178 said:
To Straight men,


If, hypothetically speaking, the Bible said that for a man to lie with a woman, was an abonination, would you change your ways and only be with another man?

Hypothetically, what would you say or do? Would you change your ways? Would you choose a life of persecution?

Of course! The bible is to be blindly obeyed without thought. If I can't make myself attracted to other men then its obvious that I'm demon-possesed or that I just don't have enough faith, or that I was seduced into the heterosexual lifestyle by some straight-agenda. No matter the case its obviously a choice.

*open mouth, insert finger*

:sick:
 
  • Like
Reactions: gaijin178
Upvote 0

Alecto

Well-Known Member
May 28, 2005
1,433
37
39
✟1,775.00
Faith
Pagan
Politics
US-Others
gaijin178 said:
To Straight men,


If, hypothetically speaking, the Bible said that for a man to lie with a woman, was an abonination, would you change your ways and only be with another man?

Hypothetically, what would you say or do? Would you change your ways? Would you choose a life of persecution?
You watched 30 Days too huh :) Great show.

I wouldnt change. I am a heterosexual, and if thats wrong, then so be it.
 
  • Like
Reactions: gaijin178
Upvote 0

dunamis3

Active Member
Jun 29, 2005
35
3
63
✟22,671.00
Faith
Christian
gaijin178 said:
To Straight men,


If, hypothetically speaking, the Bible said that for a man to lie with a woman, was an abonination, would you change your ways and only be with another man?

Hypothetically, what would you say or do? Would you change your ways? Would you choose a life of persecution?
God gave man a desire towards the opposite sex.
If God says thou shall not... then you better not.
The problem is that we try and see how we can get away and sin, instead of see how we can please God. Does a home relationship please God. I don't think so.

But then so does many other stuff not please God, which unfortunatly the church is very quite about. Such as ............................... rather not
 
Upvote 0

DaRkWoLf

Well-Known Member
Apr 10, 2005
817
22
36
Miami, Florida
✟1,083.00
Faith
Pagan
Marital Status
Single
Politics
US-Others
gaijin178 said:
If, hypothetically speaking, the Bible said that for a man to lie with a woman, was an abonination, would you change your ways and only be with another man?

Hypothetically, what would you say or do? Would you change your ways? Would you choose a life of persecution?

Nope. I dont really care what any human thinks about me morality wise, and I would not follow such a god if that was what such a deity wanted. Screw em. Also, procreation dosent work homosexually. Note that I have no problem with homosexuals, im just not one.
 
Upvote 0

Doppelganger

Active Member
Jan 6, 2005
116
7
48
In this current journey of life.
✟281.00
Faith
Seeker
Marital Status
Married
Politics
US-Libertarian
The way I look at it, is that I was put on earth as a heterosexual. I am also very attacted to women. That said, I wouldn't change my lifestyle simply because a book that I have difficult time accepting says it is wrong. Nor would I wallow in self pitty over being a "sinner."
 
Upvote 0

ChristianCenturion

Veteran / Tuebor
Feb 9, 2005
14,207
576
In front of a computer
✟47,988.00
Faith
Christian
Marital Status
Married
Politics
US-Republican
gaijin178 said:
To Straight men,


If, hypothetically speaking, the Bible said that for a man to lie with a woman, was an abonination, would you change your ways and only be with another man?

Hypothetically, what would you say or do? Would you change your ways? Would you choose a life of persecution?

I would say it would be easier because men tend to understand and think more on the same wavelength - same for women in comparison. I would also say that men and women wouldn't get along very well and have even less respect for each other because there wouldn't be a 'need' to get along with one another - I suspect women would be oppressed more (or at least continued to be) than they already have been in the past.
Change my ways? Maybe, as far as sexual behavior; but it wouldn't change much seeing as I already love, respect, have close ties to men - I just don't happen to sleep with them or entertain thoughts as such.

Persecution? I thought your hypothetical was based on same gender relationships being the norm... where would the persecution come from?
I suppose I could twist it into a persecution... pre-marital sex is looked down upon and was even more so in the past, that didn't seem to stop some and the instant gratification of fulfilling a desire or exploring has and seems to over-ride any consequence in many instances - so sure, many would choose a life of persecution.

Is that straight enough?
 
Upvote 0

ChristianCenturion

Veteran / Tuebor
Feb 9, 2005
14,207
576
In front of a computer
✟47,988.00
Faith
Christian
Marital Status
Married
Politics
US-Republican
gaijin178 said:
From a straight man,

What if the book and the faith that you had told you that you were going to hell because you were with a woman? would you try to be with a man or just accept it because you were born heterosexual?

Considering that my "Book" and faith told me that I would be going to hell because I was with many women and I lusted for more, I rejected my natural tendencies and have found that a single relationship is much more challenging and more rewarding. So the question seems already answered, only the conditionals have changed.
 
Upvote 0

Spinrad

Well-Known Member
Apr 19, 2005
4,021
245
59
✟35,370.00
Faith
Atheist
Politics
US-Others
gaijin178 said:
To Straight men,


If, hypothetically speaking, the Bible said that for a man to lie with a woman, was an abonination, would you change your ways and only be with another man?

Hypothetically, what would you say or do? Would you change your ways? Would you choose a life of persecution?

I am attracted to whom I am attracted.
 
Upvote 0

Spinrad

Well-Known Member
Apr 19, 2005
4,021
245
59
✟35,370.00
Faith
Atheist
Politics
US-Others
ChristianCenturion said:
Considering that my "Book" and faith told me that I would be going to hell because I was with many women and I lusted for more, I rejected my natural tendencies and have found that a single relationship is much more challenging and more rewarding. So the question seems already answered, only the conditionals have changed.

So you would be with a man?
 
Upvote 0

gaijin178

Seeker
Dec 29, 2003
1,989
61
48
✟32,449.00
Faith
Buddhist
ChristianCenturion said:
I would say it would be easier because men tend to understand and think more on the same wavelength - same for women in comparison. I would also say that men and women wouldn't get along very well and have even less respect for each other because there wouldn't be a 'need' to get along with one another - I suspect women would be oppressed more (or at least continued to be) than they already have been in the past.
Change my ways? Maybe, as far as sexual behavior; but it wouldn't change much seeing as I already love, respect, have close ties to men - I just don't happen to sleep with them or entertain thoughts as such.

Persecution? I thought your hypothetical was based on same gender relationships being the norm... where would the persecution come from?
I suppose I could twist it into a persecution... pre-marital sex is looked down upon and was even more so in the past, that didn't seem to stop some and the instant gratification of fulfilling a desire or exploring has and seems to over-ride any consequence in many instances - so sure, many would choose a life of persecution.

Is that straight enough?

What I meant by chosing persecution would be to go against the norm, choose to be heterosexual and face persecution even though it was considered wrong by the masses. It's the same thing as saying that folks who are gay actually choose to be so.
 
Upvote 0

jayem

Naturalist
Jun 24, 2003
15,429
7,165
74
St. Louis, MO.
✟426,076.00
Country
United States
Gender
Male
Faith
Atheist
Marital Status
Married
gaijin178 said:
If, hypothetically speaking, the Bible said that for a man to lie with a woman, was an abonination, would you change your ways and only be with another man?


With all due respect, that really is an extreme hypothetical. If such a directive were devoutly followed, how would believers reproduce themselves? (Would in-vitro fertilization be acceptable?) Although there have been sects that believed all sexual relations were sinful. The Shakers were one, I believe. And AFAIK, there aren't many Shakers around.

The Biblical proscription on homosexuality reflects little more than the cultural taboos of the ancient Hebrews, which were later incorporated into Christianity. I will try to conform my behavior to standards of reason, compassion, and respect for others, rather than primitive superstitions.
 
Upvote 0

ChristianCenturion

Veteran / Tuebor
Feb 9, 2005
14,207
576
In front of a computer
✟47,988.00
Faith
Christian
Marital Status
Married
Politics
US-Republican
gaijin178 said:
What I meant by chosing persecution would be to go against the norm, choose to be heterosexual and face persecution even though it was considered wrong by the masses. It's the same thing as saying that folks who are gay actually choose to be so.

Tastes change, people's perception of right and wrong change, opinions and views change, dependency, habits, addictions, and behavior in general are subject to change, etc.
To have a deviant and/or detrimental behavior which is wrong or known to have detrimental repercussions and continue to do so is a choice or a disorder.
For some reason, people have taken what a few scientists have theorized as may, might, possibly, etc. and declared that it is fact and even go further in declaring that it is all a special case that can't be compared to anything else, such as:
http://alcoholism.about.com/od/genetics/
http://www.cdc.gov/genomics/info/perspectives/files/obesknow.htm
http://www.drugabuse.gov/STRC/Role1.html
http://content.apa.org/journals/xan/20/2/199

I personally find it irrelevant HOW a person got where they are spiritually or mentally. The issue is what they choose to do there on out. Spiritually, I also testify and believe in a God that all things are possible - so spiritually, the how or why is irrelevant.
In addition, I find that the declaration that there is no reason the person in question should change is also coupled with everyone else must change as a bit off without proper reasoning. I still haven't seen a legitimate reason for the whole world to cater to an atypical, sexual behavior. But since this is all hypothetical - IMO.
 
Upvote 0

Gerry Hunter

Active Member
May 1, 2005
383
17
80
Burnaby BC Canada
Visit site
✟30,609.00
Faith
Catholic
Marital Status
Married
gaijin178 said:
To Straight men,


If, hypothetically speaking, the Bible said that for a man to lie with a woman, was an abonination, would you change your ways and only be with another man?

Hypothetically, what would you say or do? Would you change your ways? Would you choose a life of persecution?

Why would God, who inspired Holy Scripture, have made humans male and female, and then have such a statement appear in what He inspired?

This "hypothetical" is simply a compound question in disguise.

Blessings,

Gerry
 
Upvote 0