To sin or not to sin that is the question

[Adventtruth]

Jim, Not enough for what?
What do we do with text like John3:16 that says "that whosoever believeth in Him shall not perish but have eternal life"...... Jim you're contradicting God's word to appear as having truths reasoned from between the lines of scriptures.


....God does not accept a man because of his works Jim.
A man must accept God's free gift. Men come to Him as they are Jim. He make them whiter than snow, You can do nothing to make yourself clean.

Jim, first we hear the gospel and believe, then we repent and confess our sin, then we can have a relationship and strive to be righteous. You misunderstand what we teach because we're chasing your offtext doctrines.

IN LOVE
CRIB

This is why law preachers are never ever satisfied in God through Christ alone. They will not be satisfied until they realize its all of grace and not of works. They will continue to be bitter and angry. God is not glorified in those who use law and works as a means to grace, rather than faith alone.

AT

 

[Jimlarmore]

Jim, Not enough for what?
What do we do with text like John3:16 that says "that whosoever believeth in Him shall not perish but have eternal life"...... Jim you're contradicting God's word to appear as having truths reasoned from between the lines of scriptures.

I know a lot of folks who say they "believe" in God or that HE exists but they are not even close to having a relationship with Jesus Christ or being born again. "Believing" in John 3:16 involves much more than a mere mental ascent to the existence of Jesus Christ. Thats the point that was made in the text: James 2:17-19

17

Even so being alone.
18

Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works.
19

Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble.

The believing described in verse 19 is the same as the faith talked about in verse 17 and 18. Faith without works is dead. You cannot be saved and practice sin in your life, especially without confession and repentence.

....God does not accept a man because of his works or a plege to keep laws.
A man must accept God's free gift. Men come to Him as they are Jim. He make them whiter than snow, You can do nothing to make yourself clean.

I never said I could but I can choose to reject God by continuing in sin as a practice in my life. Saved Christians don't keep the laws to be saved they keep the laws as a result of being saved and that is the works of faith being discussed in James 2.

Jim, first we hear the gospel and believe, then we repent and confess our sin, then we can have a relationship and strive to be righteous. You misunderstand what we teach because we're chasing your offtext doctrines.

You strive to be righteous? What's that for? I thought you didn't have to worry about striving for anything after being saved. Isn't striving a form of works? You need to get your story together my friend.

If I had a pro baseball team....If I chose you, I will train you before you make the starting lineup. Why did I chose you? Not because of your skills but because I wanted you to become a good player representing me.

Coaches choose and reject folks based on talent, so this is not the same thing. God chooses to save anyone and everyone that will come with no respect of color race or national origin.

Yes God calls us unto good works, but dont get the facts twisted.
The fact is, God had made some promises that if conditions of keeping the law stayed attached to it, then the promises were a scam to make you keep the law in the first place. The law came because people was on the verge of losing the promise, so the law came in to served as a schoolmasters to lead to the promise. When the promise came, the law fulfilled it's purpose. Jesus is that promise.

Jesus is the promise but He came because of the eternal and unchanging nature of God and His laws. Of yourself you can never keep the laws of God and keeping them will never save you anyway. However, breaking them as a practice will cause you to be lost especially if you choose not to confess and repent of the sin. Christ has promised He will deliver us "From" our sin no "in" our sin. Jesus can keep me from sinning by His power if I stay focused on Him. What you guys do is not even worry about sin in the life which is exactly what Satan wants. Being born again and taking up our cross means a change. What has changed in your life bascially if you still practice known sins with perceived impunity?

That is why it is written we're not under the law.

IN LOVE
CRIB

We never were under the law for salvation, never ever ever. Salvation has always been by grace thru faith. The only reason Pual made a federal case out of us not being under the law was because of the legalistic Jews who thought they could be righteous by keeping the laws. The laws job is to point us to a need for a Savior not to save us. However, if we are saved we will keep God's laws as result of being saved. You can't claim to be saved and break God's laws as a practice in the life. Your fooling yourself.

God Bless
Jim Larmore

 

[ricker]

Hi Jim! i don't want to get into this too much but I have a couple quick questions. James 2 says:

14What good is it, my brothers, if a man claims to have faith but has no deeds? Can such faith save him? 15Suppose a brother or sister is without clothes and daily food. 16If one of you says to him, "Go, I wish you well; keep warm and well fed," but does nothing about his physical needs, what good is it? 17In the same way, faith by itself, if it is not accompanied by action, is dead.

18But someone will say, "You have faith; I have deeds."
Show me your faith without deeds, and I will show you my faith by what I do.
19You believe that there is one God. Good! Even the demons believe that—and shudder. 20You foolish man, do you want evidence that faith without deeds is useless

Apparently you believe the "deeds" spoken of here is commandment keeping. Why?



My other question is, do you believe that the only people saved will be the ones that have, with God's help, attained living a sinless life by following God's law perfectly?
Thanks in advance. I am tiring of this debate, but just want an answer to these couple questions. I know you are a sincere Christian man who has studied these things quite a bit.
God bless! Ricker

 

[Jimlarmore]

Hi Jim! i don't want to get into this too much but I have a couple quick questions. James 2 says:




Apparently you believe the "deeds" spoken of here is commandment keeping. Why?

Because you can't do the good works spoken of in loving your neighbor and the good works spoken of in loving God with all of your heart and not keep the ten commandments. They encompass good works for God and man.

My other question is, do you believe that the only people saved will be the ones that have, with God's help, attained living a sinless life by following God's law perfectly?

No, not at all. At least not for some. It could be that some will indeed achieve sinless perfection before Christ comes back but I don't think you have to do that to be ready for translation. Otherwise I don't think we would be reading in the Bible where it says we will all be changed from a corruptible to an incorruptible form at His coming. I do think that if we dismiss sin as defined in the ten commandments as we refuse to confess and repent of them we are going to be lost. IOW, we need to be very aware of sinning anytime. When we come to the time to decide to sin or not to sin we need to cast our burdens on Christ and scream for help. Help to save us from what we are about to do if He does not deliver us from it.

You see , the way I see this is simple. God has given us a freedom to choose. He wants us to choose not to sin as much as we can. He wants us to be re-born again and live a righteous life. Sinning with perceived impunity is not living a righteous life. If we slip up ( God forbid ) we have an advocate with the Father in Jesus Christ, but if we go about saying we aren't under the law and break God's laws with a perceived impunity then we are sinning so that Grace may abound. Paul tells us "God forbid" on that activity. We could be lost in the end.

Thanks in advance. I am tiring of this debate, but just want an answer to these couple questions. I know you are a sincere Christian man who has studied these things quite a bit.
God bless! Ricker

I'm tired of it too. I think this idea of the law being done away with is a product of Satan. Satan's greatest work is inside the body of Christ, i.e. the Christian churches. He has spawned a master minded deception that lies so close to the truth but has just that tiny little bit of deception in it to lead God's children back into sin. That's all he really has to do in the end. Sin is the only thing that will keep us our of our creator's kingdom.

Christ said it well in Matthew when He said in that day there will be many that will say to me Lord Lord, didn't we cast out demon's in your name and do many good works in your name? There will be many so called Christians who will not be saved because the refused to accept the truth of God, or worse yet they listened to a truth filled deception that had just a little lie in it that led them to sin with so called impunity.

God Bless
Jim Larmore

p.s. Think about this. Does it makes sense that Christ would come down and die a horrible death for all of sins just to allow all of those He died for to remain in the thing that caused Him to die, their sins? No way, Christ wants to deliver us From our sins

 

[Cribstyl]

I know a lot of folks who say they "believe" in God or that HE exists but they are not even close to having a relationship with Jesus Christ or being born again. "Believing" in John 3:16 involves much more than a mere mental ascent to the existence of Jesus Christ. Thats the point that was made in the text: James 2:17-19

17

Even so being alone.
18

Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works.
19

Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble.

The believing described in verse 19 is the same as the faith talked about in verse 17 and 18. Faith without works is dead. You cannot be saved and practice sin in your life, especially without confession and repentence.




I never said I could but I can choose to reject God by continuing in sin as a practice in my life. Saved Christians don't keep the laws to be saved they keep the laws as a result of being saved and that is the works of faith being discussed in James 2.



You strive to be righteous? What's that for? I thought you didn't have to worry about striving for anything after being saved. Isn't striving a form of works? You need to get your story together my friend.



Coaches choose and reject folks based on talent, so this is not the same thing. God chooses to save anyone and everyone that will come with no respect of color race or national origin.


Jesus is the promise but He came because of the eternal and unchanging nature of God and His laws. Of yourself you can never keep the laws of God and keeping them will never save you anyway. However, breaking them as a practice will cause you to be lost especially if you choose not to confess and repent of the sin. Christ has promised He will deliver us "From" our sin no "in" our sin. Jesus can keep me from sinning by His power if I stay focused on Him. What you guys do is not even worry about sin in the life which is exactly what Satan wants. Being born again and taking up our cross means a change. What has changed in your life bascially if you still practice known sins with perceived impunity?


We never were under the law for salvation, never ever ever. Salvation has always been by grace thru faith. The only reason Pual made a federal case out of us not being under the law was because of the legalistic Jews who thought they could be righteous by keeping the laws. The laws job is to point us to a need for a Savior not to save us. However, if we are saved we will keep God's laws as result of being saved. You can't claim to be saved and break God's laws as a practice in the life. Your fooling yourself.

God Bless
Jim Larmore

You miss the point about the devil Jim..... "He Trembles" because He knows the truth, his work of faith is to tremble because he know what happens to him at the end of time"

Faith will cause you to act one way or another. James is not talking about "doing good works because you believe." What he's talking about is, "an understanding of what you believe will be seen by the action you take in your life."

James used the works of faith of devils, Abraham and Rahab to teach this lesson about what the word "faith" means.
Devils, Abraham and Rahab were NOT under the law or have kept the Sabbath.
James was focused only how Abraham act of faith caused Him to sacrifice His only son.
Is God calling us to sacrifice our children to die? NO

James focuses on Rahab's actions behind her faith. She was a gentile, not under the law. She believed in the Hebrew God to deliver His people. Her literal works "was to tell a lie about the spies". Is God calling us betray our country and to lie? NO
Is God calling us to tremble? NO
These examples are defining, that faith is not an empty word.
James is teaching that faith bares fruit, it's not just lip service. "The believer will go to church." "The believer will love His neighbor." The believer will love his enemy", "The believer will pray", "The believer will trust God's word," "the believer will give to the poor." THAT'S WHAT JAMES IS TALKING ABOUT........ Yes, It also mean that the believer will live holy. but all you see is that the believer will keep the law as his works of faith...That understanding is what contradicts Paul teachings
Rom 3:21But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets;

Rom 3:28Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.


IN LOVE
CRIB

 

[Jimlarmore]

You miss the point about the devil Jim..... "He Trembles" because He knows the truth, his work of faith is to tremble because he know what happens in the end"

Faith will cause you to act one way or another. James is not talking about doing good works because you believe. He's talking about the understanding of your belief will be shown by your actions.

Faith and belief are the same thing in defintion only a different word. Faith takes on the dynamic of action on the belief. True beleif in Christ will result in good actions. Christ said he was the vine we are the branches, the branches bear good fruit. Breaking the ten commandments is not bearing good fruit in the life.

James used the works of Abraham and Rahab to teach this lesson about the word "faith."
James was focused only how Abraham act of faith caused Him to sacrifice His only son. Is God calling us to sacrifice our children to die? NO

James focus on Rahab's actions behind her faith. She was a gentile, not under the law. She believed in the Hebrew God to deliver His people. Her literal works "was to tell a lie about the spies". Is God calling us to lie? NO

Rahab's lie was still a lie and a sin. All of mankind's sin is defined by the law of God. God never called her to lie about the spies as you intimate. At least nothing in the Bible says He did.

These examples are defining that faith is not an empty word.
Faith bares fruit, it's not just lip service. "The believer will go to church." "The believer will love His neighbor." The believer will love his enemy", "The believer will pray", "The believer will trust God's word," "the believer will give to the poor." THAT'S WHAT JAMES IS TALKING ABOUT........ Yes, It also mean that the believer will live holy. but all you see is that the believer will keep the law as his works of faith...That understanding is what contradict Paul teaching Rom 3:21But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets;

Rom 3:28Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.


IN LOVE
CRIB

The righteous of God without the law is Paul's way of saying the law cannot save. It never could, that does not mean we don't worry about sinning or breaking God's commandments as you intimate. You cannot live holy and break God's laws. That idea presents a dimetrically opposed concept.

God Bless
Jim Larmore

 

[ricker]

Because you can't do the good works spoken of in loving your neighbor and the good works spoken of in loving God with all of your heart and not keep the ten commandments. They encompass good works for God and man.

Doing these good works or deads would certainly not be contrary to the ten commandments.

Think about this. Does it makes sense that Christ would come down and die a horrible death for all of sins just to allow all of those He died for to remain in the thing that caused Him to die, their sins? No way, Christ wants to deliver us From our sins

It certainly would make sense Jesus would not want us to continue in the sins that were the cause, so to speak, of His death.
Thanks for your straitforward answers to my questions and may God bless you!
Ricker

 

[Jimlarmore]

Doing these good works or deads would certainly not be contrary to the ten commandments.


It certainly would make sense Jesus would not want us to continue in the sins that were the cause, so to speak, of His death.
Thanks for your straitforward answers to my questions and may God bless you!
Ricker

God Bless you brother.

Holy Father in heaven today I pray for my brother Ricker. I lift him up to your arms Lord. Surround him and his family with Your love and kindness. Forgive me Lord where I err and put my emotions above Your will. Give us all a portion of understanding for Your word and Your will for our lives. Please grant us a place with You in the kingdom Father where we can sing with the angels the song of Moses and praise You thru out the ceasless ages of etenity.

In Jesus Name
Amen

 

[Cribstyl]

I know a lot of folks who say they "believe" in God or that HE exists but they are not even close to having a relationship with Jesus Christ or being born again. "Believing" in John 3:16 involves much more than a mere mental ascent to the existence of Jesus Christ. Thats the point that was made in the text: James 2:17-19

17

Even so being alone.
18

Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works.
19

Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble.

The believing described in verse 19 is the same as the faith talked about in verse 17 and 18. Faith without works is dead. You cannot be saved and practice sin in your life, especially without confession and repentence.

Your commentary and these text are not event close Jim.
You miss out on the lesson, teaching "even devils faith shows works when they tremble, because they believe what God's word say about their ending." They do not do good works Jim, their faith causes them to tremble.
Admit it Jim you're adding more to James than is really there.
There is no contradition to Paul's not by work of the law". The Hard fact is...You want to reject understanding sound doctrine and preach the law with commentary.
Where is sin, repentance and confession as issue in those text? Where is the Law? You reading between the lines again to make a peanut butter sandwhich about works of the law. This is really, really sad Jim .

I never said I could but I can choose to reject God by continuing in sin as a practice in my life. Saved Christians don't keep the laws to be saved they keep the laws as a result of being saved and that is the works of faith being discussed in James 2.

I understand your desire to be under the the law, but you're wrong about those text Jim.

You strive to be righteous? What's that for? I thought you didn't have to worry about striving for anything after being saved. Isn't striving a form of works? You need to get your story together my friend.

Jim, when you know you've been saved from death, you owe your life. It's not a salvation issue for most who are trully in Christ. You strive to please your redeemer Jim.

Coaches choose and reject folks based on talent, so this is not the same thing. God chooses to save anyone and everyone that will come with no respect of color race or national origin.

OK, not the best example, if you dont want to understand what I'm trying to say to you.

Jesus is the promise but He came because of the eternal and unchanging nature of God and His laws......

Peanut butter Jim, peanut butter, peanut butter
Was it because of the Law in Gen 3:15 why God told Satan about the seed of woman? The truth is, Jesus came because man sinned and God's word promised His Son would come without a man's seed.

Was it because of the Law in Gen 22:18 or was it a promise because of faith?Gen 22:18And in thy seed shall all the nations of the earth be blessed; because thou hast obeyed my voice.

There are many references to why Jesus came, can you post one that says because of the Law?........I'll eat a peanut butter sandwhich if you do.

Of yourself you can never keep the laws of God and keeping them will never save you anyway. However, breaking them as a practice will cause you to be lost especially if you choose not to confess and repent of the sin. Christ has promised He will deliver us "From" our sin no "in" our sin. Jesus can keep me from sinning by His power if I stay focused on Him. What you guys do is not even worry about sin in the life which is exactly what Satan wants. Being born again and taking up our cross means a change. What has changed in your life bascially if you still practice known sins with perceived impunity?


We never were under the law for salvation, never ever ever. Salvation has always been by grace thru faith. The only reason Pual made a federal case out of us not being under the law was because of the legalistic Jews who thought they could be righteous by keeping the laws. The laws job is to point us to a need for a Savior not to save us. However, if we are saved we will keep God's laws as result of being saved. You can't claim to be saved and break God's laws as a practice in the life. Your fooling yourself.

God Bless
Jim Larmore

Yakity, yakity yak.....When you synchonize with God's word I will say Amen, but all I see from you is peanut butter.


blessings
CRIB

 

[Adventtruth]

Because you can't do the good works spoken of in loving your neighbor and the good works spoken of in loving God with all of your heart and not keep the ten commandments. They encompass good works for God and man.




No, not at all. At least not for some. It could be that some will indeed achieve sinless perfection before Christ comes back but I don't think you have to do that to be ready for translation. Otherwise I don't think we would be reading in the Bible where it says we will all be changed from a corruptible to an incorruptible form at His coming. I do think that if we dismiss sin as defined in the ten commandments as we refuse to confess and repent of them we are going to be lost. IOW, we need to be very aware of sinning anytime. When we come to the time to decide to sin or not to sin we need to cast our burdens on Christ and scream for help. Help to save us from what we are about to do if He does not deliver us from it.

You see , the way I see this is simple. God has given us a freedom to choose. He wants us to choose not to sin as much as we can. He wants us to be re-born again and live a righteous life. Sinning with perceived impunity is not living a righteous life. If we slip up ( God forbid ) we have an advocate with the Father in Jesus Christ, but if we go about saying we aren't under the law and break God's laws with a perceived impunity then we are sinning so that Grace may abound. Paul tells us "God forbid" on that activity. We could be lost in the end.



I'm tired of it too. I think this idea of the law being done away with is a product of Satan. Satan's greatest work is inside the body of Christ, i.e. the Christian churches. He has spawned a master minded deception that lies so close to the truth but has just that tiny little bit of deception in it to lead God's children back into sin. That's all he really has to do in the end. Sin is the only thing that will keep us our of our creator's kingdom.

Christ said it well in Matthew when He said in that day there will be many that will say to me Lord Lord, didn't we cast out demon's in your name and do many good works in your name? There will be many so called Christians who will not be saved because the refused to accept the truth of God, or worse yet they listened to a truth filled deception that had just a little lie in it that led them to sin with so called impunity.

God Bless
Jim Larmore

p.s. Think about this. Does it makes sense that Christ would come down and die a horrible death for all of sins just to allow all of those He died for to remain in the thing that caused Him to die, their sins? No way, Christ wants to deliver us From our sins

After many many times of telling you that Gods law is not done away with, it seems you keep tell us that we say it is. Well for the fifty-eleventh time...its not. But for the Believer in Christ, they are dead to the law. This idea you can't seem to understand.

AT

 

[Cribstyl]

After many many times of telling you that Gods law is not done away with, it seems you keep tell us that we say it is. Well for the fifty-eleventh time...its not. But for the Believer in Christ, they are dead to the law. This idea you can't seem to understand.

AT

AT, We're getting the old runarround, by trying to correct continueous error, WE'RE NOT TEACHING THE GOSPEL EITHER.
We really need to stop these endless efforts with someone bent on ignoring texts. It's funny how we get accused of having something false when we post the text to settle any questions.

We need to interact with each other more.

CRIB

 

[Adventtruth]

AT, We're getting the old runarround, by trying to correct continueous error, WE'RE NOT TEACHING THE GOSPEL EITHER.
We really need to stop these endless efforts with someone bent on ignoring texts. It's funny how we get accused of having something false when we post the text to settle any questions.

We need to interact with each other more.

CRIB

I think the problem is a lack of understanding on the part of law pushers. They can't understand the Spiritual nature and operation of how God removes sin from the believer and renders Him sinless in Christ while at the same time being unperfect people in the flesh. Its becasue of our new nature in Christ that our sinfulness is not imputed to us, who walk and live in the Spirit.

(2Co 5:14) For the love of Christ controls us, because we have concluded this: that one has died for all, therefore all have died;
(2Co 5:15) and he died for all, that those who live might no longer live for themselves but for him who for their sake died and was raised.
(2Co 5:16) From now on, therefore, we regard no one according to the flesh. Even though we once regarded Christ according to the flesh, we regard him thus no longer.
(2Co 5:17) Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation. The old has passed away; behold, the new has come.



If the scripture above is understood in its context, then its easy to see how believers don't respond and are dead to the law and are sinless before God in Christ, belivers are not imputed with sin though we are sinful.


AT

 

[Jimlarmore]

I think the problem is a lack of understanding on the part of law pushers. They can't understand the Spiritual nature and operation of how God removes sin from the believer and renders Him sinless in Christ while at the same time being unperfect people in the flesh. Its becasue of our new nature in Christ that our sinfulness is not imputed to us, who walk and live in the Spirit.

(2Co 5:14) For the love of Christ controls us, because we have concluded this: that one has died for all, therefore all have died;
(2Co 5:15) and he died for all, that those who live might no longer live for themselves but for him who for their sake died and was raised.
(2Co 5:16) From now on, therefore, we regard no one according to the flesh. Even though we once regarded Christ according to the flesh, we regard him thus no longer.
(2Co 5:17) Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation. The old has passed away; behold, the new has come.



If the scripture above is understood in its context, then its easy to see how believers don't respond and are dead to the law and are sinless before God in Christ, belivers are not imputed with sin though we are sinful.


AT

The "old" is not passed away if you continue to practice sin with perceived impunity. So this text does not apply to those who intentionally sin without confession and repentence. When you know in your mind that what you are about to do is sin yet you do it anyway expecting the blood of Christ to make you stand sinless before the Father you are mistaken. Sin for the imperfect Christian should be a slip up or something that is not a pre-meditated act.

God Bless
Jim Larmore

 

[Cribstyl]

The "old" is not passed away if you continue to practice sin with perceived impunity. So this text does not apply to those who intentionally sin without confession and repentence. When you know in your mind that what you are about to do is sin yet you do it anyway expecting the blood of Christ to make you stand sinless before the Father you are mistaken. Sin for the imperfect Christian should be a slip up or something that is not a pre-meditated act.

God Bless
Jim Larmore

Questions...When did God declare Abraham righteous by faith? Did Abraham committed a premeditative act of sin after that? Salvation is not rational. We cannot make judgments of whom God will save or not. Let Him sort the wheat from the tares, you might be judged because you keep judging people by the law.
Some gospel writer said "we die daily." That's because the blood of Jesus is able to make us clean. The law can only make you look forward to condemnation from breaking them.....good luck with that buddy. I'll be by the pool enjoying freedom from the law.


CRIB

 

[Jimlarmore]

Questions...When did God declare Abraham righteous by faith? Did Abraham committed a premeditative act of sin after that? Salvation is not rational. We cannot make judgments of whom God will save or not. Let Him sort the wheat from the tares, you might be judged because you keep judging people by the law.
Some gospel writer said "we die daily." That's because the blood of Jesus is able to make us clean. The law can only make you look forward to condemnation from breaking them.....good luck with that buddy. I'll be by the pool enjoying freedom from the law.


CRIB

I agree and I don't want this to sound like I am trying to judge anyone, but freedom from the law does not mean you can break it with perceived impunity. This all stems from a background that used to believe in once saved always saved. There is a very familiar smack to some of the ideas that you, AT and Free have advanced here. IOW, what they are saying ( even though they don't want to admit it ) is nothing more than a jazzed up version of "once saved always saved". OSAS is just not Biblical.

God Bless
Jim Larmore

 

[reddogs]

Questions...When did God declare Abraham righteous by faith? Did Abraham committed a premeditative act of sin after that? Salvation is not rational. We cannot make judgments of whom God will save or not. Let Him sort the wheat from the tares, you might be judged because you keep judging people by the law.
Some gospel writer said "we die daily." That's because the blood of Jesus is able to make us clean. The law can only make you look forward to condemnation from breaking them.....good luck with that buddy. I'll be by the pool enjoying freedom from the law.


CRIB

Genesis 26:5
Because that Abraham obeyed my voice, and kept my charge, my commandments, my statutes, and my laws.

 

[Cribstyl]

Genesis 26:5
Because that Abraham obeyed my voice, and kept my charge, my commandments, my statutes, and my laws.

The understanding of this text is debatable with those who have different interpretation for the words 'commandments" and "laws".

If you're considering what we see written from the time God called Abram then we understand that commandments and laws were given. But as you well know, we and early church history believe that Abraham kept no sabbath nor was given the 10 commandments.

So, if you're talking about "the 10 commandments which are both a covenant and a law to the COI, we must agree to disagree because there are clear text that proves that God did not make this same covenant with the fathers before Sinai.
Deu 5:3 "The LORD did not make this covenant with our fathers, but with us, those who are here today, all of us who are alive.

In peace

CRIB

 

[Cribstyl]

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[Jimlarmore]

Our language about the law is not our own reasoning, it is the understanding of text that you wrestle with daily. you ignor or explain texts away with questions that disable the context or other tactics that confuse our dialogs. Truth is SDA are afraid to say what their church believes, so we argue about doctrines we dont see in texts.
I am not a member of Free or AT's churches but I agree with what I know is written in the word of God. We actually dont reenforce each other as we should confirm the truth of the word.
I work with some OSAS and personally I take offense to that remark (not too seriously) But, what if one of us said something like that in this forum?. How can you judge what we believe when we're always chasing your commentary, Have you ever asked me about my church affiliation?


Talking about what's not biblical...........take that, and that and that.....You're lucky I have my seatbelt on

In peace an love
CRIB

Whoa there hoss , what's all the fuss about? I thought we were having a peaceful discussion. The Bible never says that once we are saved that we can never be unsaved or that we loose our feedom of choice. You say that I and other sda's take the Bible and disable the contexts of some texts and argue over doctrines that are not even taught but that my friend is not true.

I have studied the Bible for a long time and it was the Bible and it's trutht that brought me to adventism. I've been accused of proof texting and taking things out of context a lot here but I know what taking things out of context is and what I have done is not it.

God Bless
Jim Larmore

 

[Cribstyl]

Whoa there hoss , what's all the fuss about? I thought we were having a peaceful discussion. The Bible never says that once we are saved that we can never be unsaved or that we loose our feedom of choice. You say that I and other sda's take the Bible and disable the contexts of some texts and argue over doctrines that are not even taught but that my friend is not true.

I have studied the Bible for a long time and it was the Bible and it's trutht that brought me to adventism. I've been accused of proof texting and taking things out of context a lot here but I know what taking things out of context is and what I have done is not it.

God Bless
Jim Larmore

Thanks for the chat but no thank for the hitting below the belt.

First off Jim, It was not called for you to call anybody a jazzed up type of OSAS. Then to add injury to insult, you stand up as a hero of SDA cause to say,,,,,

You say that I and other sda's take the Bible and disable the contexts of some texts and argue over doctrines that are not even taught but that my friend is not true.

If I was your friend why would you slander my already tarnished reputation. What I said to you was......
you ignor or explain texts away, with questions that disable the context.......

What I said about the SDA church is that they're afraid to post what they believe. Why did I say that?....When I ask questions about their beliefs they question my motives and I get few replies to my questions.
...so we argue about doctrines we dont see in texts.....

CRIB