To sin or not to sin that is the question

[JonMiller]

I have only heard of it. My inability to understand a question does not mean that no one else can understand it.

I didn't imply that. Only noted that while you can find truth by asking questions, you only find the truth that those questions assumptions allow.

JM
(in the books, the answer to life, the universe, and everything is 42... but then what was the question?)

 

[sentipente]

I didn't imply that. Only noted that while you can find truth by asking questions, you only find the truth that those questions assumptions allow.

That's true. Every question rides into town on an assumption. Sometimes we need to show that the assumption is flawed. Questions that ask "Is there biblical support for X" are of this kind. The false assumption is that the Bible is the ultimate standard of truth and reality.

 

[JonMiller]

That's true. Every question rides into town on an assumption. Sometimes we need to show that the assumption is flawed. Questions that ask "Is there biblical support for X" are of this kind. The false assumption is that the Bible is the ultimate standard of truth and reality.

I have found that most serious discussions come down, if people are honest and are trying to understand the others position, to differences in assumptions (or definitions).

One serious issue is that there are many possible views of reality (and so positions), depending on the assumptions held.

JM

 

[thecountrydoc]

sentipente,

I'm baffeled. Your last post to me has no context. You said:

How can one be setting up stumbling blocks to truth by asking questions? The only way to find truth is by asking questions.

It is forunate for both of us that I get a great deal more informtion out of your comments than you put into them. Your short quips & quotes certainly appear to be of little value except to throw question on anything that another poster may post.

In your response to Jon you said:

If a question is foolish that will become obvious.

sentipenti, there are no foolish questions, only foolish answers, of which, there may be many. The question that is truly foolish is very well thought out. Your questions are proof of that old statement.

Respectfully,
Doc

 

[sentipente]

Sometimes it's best just to laugh.

 

[thecountrydoc]

My eyes must be playing tricks on me!

sentipente, did you really mean this?

The false assumption is that the Bible is the ultimate standard of truth and reality.

If indeed you really did mean this then all I can say is; God have mercy on your soul.

Doc

 

[JonMiller]

Sometimes it's best just to laugh.

I agree, especially in this community.

JM

 

[sentipente]

My eyes must be playing tricks on me!

sentipente, did you really mean this?If indeed you really did mean this then all I can say is; God have mercy on your soul.

Doc

Don't you worry about my soul, Doc. If you read the Bible you would know I don't have one.

 

[JonMiller]

Don't you worry about my soul, Doc. If you read the Bible you would know I don't have one.

I thought I was the materialist?

JM

 

[thecountrydoc]

sentipente, why is it your post;

Don't you worry about my soul, Doc. If you read the Bible you would know I don't have one.

doesn't supprise me even a little bit. It also explains, perhaps, the shallowness of your post and the lack of textual refference. If you do nothing else, do yourself a favor, learn the scriptures and get to know the Word.

Respectfully,
Doc

 

[honorthesabbath]

Night follows church doctrine a whole lot more then many other SDAs I know.

JM

Ahh--a few examples of this please!

 

[NightEternal]

Honor, you don't have a single clue about anything, least of all my Adventism. If you did, you would see that I am by far one of the most orthodox Progs on this forum. So please spare me the nonsense that I have to justify myself to you on any level.

Jon, do NOT answer her.

 

[sentipente]

sentipente, why is it your post;doesn't supprise me even a little bit. It also explains, perhaps, the shallowness of your post and the lack of textual refference. If you do nothing else, do yourself a favor, learn the scriptures and get to know the Word.

Respectfully,
Doc

You would have gained more respect in the world peopled by individuals with a higher level of intelligence if you had simply admitted that your reference to a soul demonstrated that you had no grasp of how the Bible views human life. These futile efforts you make at insulting me only fly back in your face like certain well-known fluids in the wind.

 

[Cribstyl]

Chill

 

[reddogs]

Ahh--a few examples of this please!

Oh, I am sure Night is a good Adventist, he just has a hard time showing it, maybe he is a bit shy....

 

[Xenon]

Oh, I am sure Night is a good Adventist, he just has a hard time showing it, maybe he is a bit shy....

With so many insults flying all over the place, I'm sure everyone has a hard time showing love to their neighbor all the time, myself included.

Anyway, to get back on the topic, there's something that I've been thinking about. The salvation offered by Jesus is definitely conditional: we need to believe in him. But what exactly does that mean? Is it simply accepting his sacrifice, or is it something more? Scripture please!

 

[Jimlarmore]

With so many insults flying all over the place, I'm sure everyone has a hard time showing love to their neighbor all the time, myself included.

Anyway, to get back on the topic, there's something that I've been thinking about. The salvation offered by Jesus is definitely conditional: we need to believe in him. But what exactly does that mean? Is it simply accepting his sacrifice, or is it something more? Scripture please!

The Bible says that demons believe and tremble so a mere mental ascent to believe is not enough. We need to have a personal relatonship with Jesus Christ and accept the plan of salvation in our lives. We must confess our sins and repent of them. Christ said we must be born again. That means to turn around from the old life style and live a new one in Him. He also said to take up our cross and follow Him. That to me means we must die to our old natures which is making a daily choice to allow the power of Christ to keep us from sinning. We must choose to not sin each time we are tempted and we must choose Christ instead.

Most all Christians on this forum will agree with everything I have just said with the exception of the sinning part. They say you can't stop sinning in this life not even with the power of Christ. I say this is against what the Bible tells us.

God Bless\
Jim Larmore

 

[Adventtruth]

With so many insults flying all over the place, I'm sure everyone has a hard time showing love to their neighbor all the time, myself included.

Anyway, to get back on the topic, there's something that I've been thinking about. The salvation offered by Jesus is definitely conditional: we need to believe in him. But what exactly does that mean? Is it simply accepting his sacrifice, or is it something more? Scripture please!

(Joh 17:3)And this is eternal life, that they know you the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom you have sent.


(Joh 5:24)Truly, truly, I say to you, whoever hears my word and believes him who sent me has eternal life. He does not come into judgment, but has passed from death to life.



(Rom 10:8) But what does it say? "The word is near you, in your mouth and in your heart" (that is, the word of faith that we proclaim);
(Rom 10:9) because, if you confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.
(Rom 10:10) For with the heart one believes and is justified, and with the mouth one confesses and is saved.
(Rom 10:11) For the Scripture says, "Everyone who believes in him will not be put to shame."
(Rom 10:12) For there is no distinction between Jew and Greek; for the same Lord is Lord of all, bestowing his riches on all who call on him.
(Rom 10:13) For "everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved."
(Rom 10:14) How then will they call on him in whom they have not believed? And how are they to believe in him of whom they have never heard? And how are they to hear without someone preaching?
(Rom 10:15) And how are they to preach unless they are sent? As it is written, "How beautiful are the feet of those who preach the good news!"
(Rom 10:16) But they have not all obeyed the gospel. For Isaiah says, "Lord, who has believed what he has heard from us?"
(Rom 10:17) So faith comes from hearing, and hearing through the word of Christ.




(1Co 15:1) Now I would remind you, brothers, of the gospel I preached to you, which you received, in which you stand,
(1Co 15:2) and by which you are being saved, if you hold fast to the word I preached to you--unless you believed in vain.
(1Co 15:3) For I delivered to you as of first importance what I also received: that Christ died for our sins in accordance with the Scriptures,
(1Co 15:4) that he was buried, that he was raised on the third day in accordance with the Scriptures,
(1Co 15:5) and that he appeared to Cephas, then to the twelve.
(1Co 15:6) Then he appeared to more than five hundred brothers at one time, most of whom are still alive, though some have fallen asleep.
(1Co 15:7) Then he appeared to James, then to all the apostles.
(1Co 15:8) Last of all, as to one untimely born, he appeared also to me.


(1Co 15:19) If in Christ we have hope in this life only, we are of all people most to be pitied.
(1Co 15:20) But in fact Christ has been raised from the dead, the firstfruits of those who have fallen asleep.
(1Co 15:21) For as by a man came death, by a man has come also the resurrection of the dead.
(1Co 15:22) For as in Adam all die, so also in Christ shall all be made alive.
(1Co 15:23) But each in his own order: Christ the firstfruits, then at his coming those who belong to Christ.
(1Co 15:24) Then comes the end, when he delivers the kingdom to God the Father after destroying every rule and every authority and power.
(1Co 15:25) For he must reign until he has put all his enemies under his feet.
(1Co 15:26) The last enemy to be destroyed is death.
(1Co 15:27) For "God has put all things in subjection under his feet." But when it says, "all things are put in subjection," it is plain that he is excepted who put all things in subjection under him.



AT

 

[Adventtruth]

The Bible says that demons believe and tremble so a mere mental ascent to believe is not enough. We need to have a personal relatonship with Jesus Christ and accept the plan of salvation in our lives. We must confess our sins and repent of them. Christ said we must be born again. That means to turn around from the old life style and live a new one in Him. He also said to take up our cross and follow Him. That to me means we must die to our old natures which is making a daily choice to allow the power of Christ to keep us from sinning. We must choose to not sin each time we are tempted and we must choose Christ instead.

Most all Christians on this forum will agree with everything I have just said with the exception of the sinning part. They say you can't stop sinning in this life not even with the power of Christ. I say this is against what the Bible tells us.

God Bless\
Jim Larmore

Jim he asked for scripture. Where is your scripture, not you interpretation of scripture.

AT

 

[Cribstyl]

The Bible says that demons believe and tremble so a mere mental ascent to believe is not enough. We need to have a personal relatonship with Jesus Christ and accept the plan of salvation in our lives. We must confess our sins and repent of them. Christ said we must be born again. That means to turn around from the old life style and live a new one in Him. He also said to take up our cross and follow Him. That to me means we must die to our old natures which is making a daily choice to allow the power of Christ to keep us from sinning. We must choose to not sin each time we are tempted and we must choose Christ instead.

Most all Christians on this forum will agree with everything I have just said with the exception of the sinning part. They say you can't stop sinning in this life not even with the power of Christ. I say this is against what the Bible tells us.

God Bless\
Jim Larmore

Jim, Not enough for what?
What do we do with text like John3:16 that says "that whosoever believeth in Him shall not perish but have eternal life"...... Jim you're contradicting God's word to appear as having truths reasoned from between the lines of scriptures.


....God does not accept a man because of his works or a plege to keep laws.
A man must accept God's free gift. Men come to Him as they are Jim. He make them whiter than snow, You can do nothing to make yourself clean.

Jim, first we hear the gospel and believe, then we repent and confess our sin, then we can have a relationship and strive to be righteous. You misunderstand what we teach because we're chasing your offtext doctrines.


If I had a pro baseball team....If I chose you, I will train you before you make the starting lineup. Why did I chose you? Not because of your skills but because I wanted you to become a good player representing me.

Yes God calls us unto good works, but dont get the facts twisted.
The fact is, God had made some promises that if conditions of keeping the law stayed attached to it, then the promises were a scam to make you keep the law in the first place. The law came because people was on the verge of losing the promise, so the law came in to served as a schoolmasters to lead to the promise. When the promise came, the law fulfilled it's purpose. Jesus is that promise.

That is why it is written we're not under the law.

IN LOVE
CRIB