To sin or not to sin that is the question

[NightEternal]

Night you said:

Eventhough you have been extreamly abrasive at times on these board's I don't recall you or anyone else being condemed to hell.

And you somehow think a person has to blatantly, outright say it to imply as much?

Please, you make me laugh with this nonsense.

And so what if I am abrasive? It beats this passive-aggressive garbage you and other Trads here love to engage in. At least I am open about what I am doing and where I am coming from.

As for intolerance, no one here is intolerant of ricker and and others who are open about the fact that they are not SDA, and have not acepted certain biblical teachings. But I must admit it is sometimes very hard to tolerate someone who claims to be SDA and at the same time rejects so much of church doctrine and beliefs.

And did I somewhere give the impression that I actually cared a whit what you think about us?

You talk as if tolerating you Trads is the easiest endeavor in the world. I can assure you it is not.

I know of your hatred for us non-Traditional SDA's and I know it would give you the utmost pleasure to rid the forum and the church of all of us.

Respectfully,
Doc

Spare me this, please. You have no respect for any of us Progs and you never have.

 

[JonMiller]

Night follows church doctrine a whole lot more then many other SDAs I know.

JM

 

[thecountrydoc]

Did I hit a nerve Night? I must have because you didn't even copy who said what correct. See quotation.

Night you said:
Eventhough you have been extreamly abrasive at times on these board's I don't recall you or anyone else being condemed to hell. (Statement still stands)

And so what if I am abrasive? It beats this passive-aggressive garbage you and other Trads here love to engage in. At least I am open about what I am doing and where I am coming from.

Passive-aggressive? This is certianly the first time anyone has ever called me that! Those who know me well have never been uncertain when I'm being aggressive, nor are there many who consider me to be passive. And no, no one will ever wonder where you're coming from.

And did I somewhere give the impression that I actually cared a whit what you think about us

A very true statement/question.

I know of your hatred for us non-Traditional SDA's and I know it would give you the utmost pleasure to rid the forum and the church of all of us.

Now thats a cold statement. I don't hate anyone, including you Night.

Respectfully,
Doc
Spare me this, please. You have no respect for any of us Progs and you never have.

Since it would seem that I have offended you with the above I'll simply sign off as:

Doc

 

[thecountrydoc]

Hi Jon,

You said:

"Night follows church doctrine a whole lot more then many other SDAs I know."

It's never a matter who "folloews church doctrine a whole lot more," it's a matter of who is trying to follow biblical teachings and principals as completely as God has ask us to. It's not about "doctrine." God doesn't grade on the curve.

Respectfully, your brother in Christ,
Doc

 

[Cribstyl]

Night you said:

Eventhough you have been extreamly abrasive at times on these board's I don't recall you or anyone else being condemed to hell. It would also appear that you haven't read the thread about; What is the Remmnant?

As for intolerance, no one here is intolerant of ricker and and others who are open about the fact that they are not SDA, and have not acepted certain biblical teachings. But I must admit it is sometimes very hard to tolerate someone who claims to be SDA and at the same time rejects so much of church doctrine and beliefs.

Respctfully,
Doc

Doc,

did you not recently post that any ex-SDA pastor that does not keep the sabbath cannot be save?

If that's not condemnation, what is?

I had viewed that post as a measure of offence and asked you a simple question that you ignored in the glory of bitterness. I strongly believe that noone should judge or condemn other christians that are striving to follow Jesus.

The truth is, most come to dialog as Christians with an understanding of truth.
Yes, some words feel like bullets fired into a church.

It's definately reasonable to disagree with someone but to judge people is foulplay.

I dont disagree when someone is offended by my words.(It happens to me too) I take responsibility and look for other ways to communicate my intension.

respectfully
CRIB

 

[JonMiller]

Hi Jon,

You said:
It's never a matter who "folloews church doctrine a whole lot more," it's a matter of who is trying to follow biblical teachings and principals as completely as God has ask us to. It's not about "doctrine." God doesn't grade on the curve.

Respectfully, your brother in Christ,
Doc

I was pointing out as far as agreeing with Night... the 'trads' on this site treat him very harshly.

God is grading us?

JM

 

[reddogs]

What does beleiving in Christ mean?

What did Bulls fan mean when they said they beleived in Michael Jordan when the game was on the line?

JM

Yes, but as soon as the game got out of reach some of those same fans 'stopped believing' and headed for the exits......

 

[thecountrydoc]

Hi once again Jon,

To answer your statement & question;

"I was pointing out as far as agreeing with Night... the 'trads' on this site treat him very harshly.

God is grading us?"

You are correct most of the time when you say "the 'trads' on this site treat him very harshly." However if you noticed, I commented on his being abrasive. If there is a sore spot on the body from being rubed, and the rubbing continues, it will first turn into a blister and then into an open wound without adding any additional pressure.

And, no, God isn't "grading us" as a school teacher might grade us which is the exact point I was making. That being said, all of mankind is being graded on a pass or fail basis when it comes to salvation.

Respectully, your brother in Christ,
Doc

 

[thecountrydoc]

Hi Crib,

I'm sorry that I offended you with my past remarks.
You said:

did you not recently post that any ex SDA pastor that does not keep the sabbath cannot be save?

If that's not condemnation, what is?

I had taken that post as a measure of offence because I strongly believe that noone should judge or condemn other christians that strive to follow Jesus.

respectfully
CRIB

Crib, you are correct. I was rather condeming receantly of a former SDA pastor. I doubt however that you are completely aware of the history of the ex-SDA pastor's statments or my previous responses.

It is one thing to leave any church becaue of personal convictions over doctrine, but it is quite another to make those convictions the focus of public debate.

If anyone brings this type of controversy into public view there is a very real possibility, if not probablity, of making it a stumbling block for others. When someone has taken a vow to be a "shepherd of the flock" that also includes never taking a chance with another's salvation, which is what happens when such debate is undertaken in a public way. It was/is not my intention to condem anyone because they dissagree with me. However if anyone causes a wreck on 'salvation's highway' that should be a concern for every Christian no matter what the cause of said wreck may be.

I pray that you now understand my comments.

Respctfully, your brother in Christ,
Doc

 

[Cribstyl]

Hi once again Jon,

To answer your statement & question;You are correct most of the time when you say "the 'trads' on this site treat him very harshly." However if you noticed, I commented on his being abrasive. If there is a sore spot on the body from being rubed, and the rubbing continues, it will first turn into a blister and then into an open wound without adding any additional pressure.

And, no, God isn't "grading us" as a school teacher might grade us which is the exact point I was making. That being said, all of mankind is being graded on a pass or fail basis when it comes to salvation.

Respectully, your brother in Christ,
Doc

That sounds nice-n-soft and logical but is that how the bible explains Salvation? Does our pass failure comes into the formula? Do you have any text to support that lesson?

CRIB

 

[Cribstyl]

Hi Crib,

I'm sorry that I offended you with my past remarks.
You said:

Crib, you are correct. I was rather condeming receantly of a former SDA pastor. I doubt however that you are completely aware of the history of the ex-SDA pastor's statments or my previous responses.

It is one thing to leave any church becaue of personal convictions over doctrine, but it is quite another to make those convictions the focus of public debate.

If anyone brings this type of controversy into public view there is a very real possibility, if not probablity, of making it a stumbling block for others. When someone has taken a vow to be a "shepherd of the flock" that also includes never taking a chance with another's salvation, which is what happens when such debate is undertaken in a public way. It was/is not my intention to condem anyone because they dissagree with me. However if anyone causes a wreck on 'salvation's highway' that should be a concern for every Christian no matter what the cause of said wreck may be.

I pray that you now understand my comments.

Respctfully, your brother in Christ,
Doc

10 points Doc.........gotta run to my church to worship (not sabbath)

CRIB

 

[sentipente]

If anyone brings this type of controversy into public view there is a very real possibility, if not probablity, of making it a stumbling block for others. When someone has taken a vow to be a "shepherd of the flock" that also includes never taking a chance with another's salvation, which is what happens when such debate is undertaken in a public way. It was/is not my intention to condem anyone because they dissagree with me. However if anyone causes a wreck on 'salvation's highway' that should be a concern for every Christian no matter what the cause of said wreck may be.

When did you become the wreck police? What do you think of the Adventists who conduct long series "exposing" the faults of other churches? Have you attended such series and supported them with your offerings?

 

[ricker]

As for intolerance, no one here is intolerant of ricker and and others who are open about the fact that they are not SDA, and have not acepted certain biblical teachings. But I must admit it is sometimes very hard to tolerate someone who claims to be SDA and at the same time rejects so much of church doctrine and beliefs.

Respctfully,
Doc

I will admit for the most part you have all been quite tolerant of me here. Thank you! (I won't comment on whether these certain teachings I may not accept are Biblical or not)
God bless! Ricker

 

[thecountrydoc]

Hello sentipente,

Your post:

When did you become the wreck police? What do you think of the Adventists who conduct long series "exposing" the faults of other churches? Have you attended such series and supported them with your offerings?

For starters, I don't recall making any statements that would indicate me being "the wreck police." I am not, nor can I be, "the wreck police" when it comes to salvation. What I can/will do is attempt to prevent stumblng blocks for anyone who is seeking truth whether inside or outside the SDA denomination. It would seem to be logical that every Christian should feel that way. Unfortunately your logic appearently does not follow that line of reasoning.

As for "what do I think of the Adventist who conduct long series ""exposing"" the faults of other churches?," it should be fairly obvious, even to you, that if indeed that is what they are doing, I do not condone such practices. If on the other hand nothing but biblical teachings & pincipals are being presented, with an emphasis on Jesus Christ, His grace, and salvation, then that is eactly what every Chrstian since Christ has been commissioned to do. And that includes you.

If you are asking if I have attended "such series," meaning where the presentations are fault finding sessions the answer is no. If you are asking have I attended Adventist evangelistic series? The answer would be yes. Have I thought the presentation was always the best? Absolutely not. That being said however, it's not what may be said, it is often how it is being said.

As for my monitary support of such activities, I would first say that that information is only required by God. Since you have ask however, I will tell you that I have supported some, and not supported others. God knows my reasons.

I trust that I have answered your questions sufficently.

Respectfuly,
Doc

 

[sentipente]

What I can/will do is attempt to prevent stumblng blocks for anyone who is seeking truth whether inside or outside the SDA denomination. It would seem to be logical that every Christian should feel that way. Unfortunately your logic appearently does not follow that line of reasoning.

How can one be setting up stumbling blocks to truth by asking questions? The only way to find truth is by asking questions.

 

[JonMiller]

How can one be setting up stumbling blocks to truth by asking questions? The only way to find truth is by asking questions.

The answer depends on the question. Now, I favor asking questions, but one must be sure to understand where the quetions come from, why they are being asked, and most important, what assumptions are held within the question.

JM

 

[sentipente]

If a question is foolish that will become obvious.

 

[JonMiller]

If a question is foolish that will become obvious.

I didn't include that in my commentary. There are lots of questions that aren't foolish, but that you can't understand the answers to until you understand the question.

You are familar with the Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy?

JM

 

[thecountrydoc]

Hi Ricker,

I really do try not to be caustic in conversation with others. There are times when I feel like I'm going to choke on my own blood fom biting my tongue though. The only good thing about geting older is that I have learned to be, at least somewhat, patient. That is not easy for a type "A" behavior and my life experences.

It must always be remembered that age is just a number. Maturity is always an option.

Respectfully, your brother in Christ,
Doc

 

[sentipente]

I didn't include that in my commentary. There are lots of questions that aren't foolish, but that you can't understand the answers to until you understand the question.

You are familar with the Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy?

JM

I have only heard of it. My inability to understand a question does not mean that no one else can understand it.