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Nope, not even that. The cause and impetus for his choice of pronoun usage is how people present themselves. A thing is based on it's cause; not some secondary assumption that might not even enter his mind.To be fair, it's based on the information he's assuming about their biology, so it does have something to do with it
Nope, not even that. The cause and impetus for his choice of pronoun usage is how people present themselves. A thing is based on it's cause; not some secondary assumption that might not even enter his mind.
Yes you can; especially when opinions are involved. And it also says to understand as trueYou can't "apprehend clearly" things that are false,
I will assume based on how they present themselves. My assumptions do not make them a he or a she.That's how you use the words "he" and "she", so yeah, it does. Your use of "he" and "she" is based on how people present themselves,
I said my ASSUMPTION of their biology. How is what you do different? If you are gonna talk about somebody, do you first go to that person and ask their gender expression before you talk about them? Suppose the person is not around? Do you refrain from talking about the person until you can get this information from them? How is what you do different than what I do?Again, it is not based on their biology
Which is why I use pronouns associated with biology instead of gender when speaking of someone.Regardless, the biology of a person is not what determines their gender identity.
Which is why I use pronouns associated with biology instead of gender when speaking of someone.
No, it can be either. As I said before, I refer to my female dog as she. This applies to all mammals.Except for the fact that the pronouns a person uses are not a reflection of their biology, but of their gender identity.
No, you really can't. If you're wrong, then it wasn't clear now was it? Opinions aren't knowledge either. Assumptions aren't knowledge either. The irony of you redefining basic words in an argument on this topic is not lost on me.Yes you can; especially when opinions are involved
It isn't and that's the point! We both treat these characteristics as the defining features of what a "he" or "she" is. We both refuse to investigate actual scientific facts about a person's sex. Because we both use "he" and "she" to refer to these socially defined traits and not biological facts that are unknown to us.How is what you do different?
I disagree. I can have all the information I think I need concerning sports teams I am betting on, and still be wrong.No, you really can't. If you're wrong, then it wasn't clear now was it?
I never said I investigate biological facts, I said I use pronouns based on what I assume their biology to be instead of an assumption of what their gender is. Most people in this conversation use it according to what they believe their gender is; that is what makes what I do different.It isn't and that's the point! We both treat these characteristics as the defining features of what a "he" or "she" is. We both refuse to investigate actual scientific facts about a person's sex. Because we both use "he" and "she" to refer to these socially defined traits and not biological facts that are unknown to us.
You're going to do things exactly the same way I do, using the exact same information, and making the exact same judgements. Actual biological facts never once enter the picture because they aren't important when we refer to people as "he" or "she". Biological sex is not important to pronoun usage and you agree, that's why you put zero effort into investigating actual scientific facts just like I do. You're pretending as though you use words differently, but you don't.
No, it can be either. As I said before, I refer to my female dog as she. This applies to all mammals.
Of course! Because you don't know who's going to win!I can have all the information I think I need concerning sports teams I am betting on, and still be wrong.
I know you don't. I said you don't. Biological facts aren't important to you when deciding what pronouns to use. Me neither.I never said I investigate biological facts
No, most people use "he" and "she" based on how that person presents themselves, just like you and I do. What you do is no different from that. Most people don't care about biological facts when determining pronoun usage, just like you and I don't care. You aren't different.Most people in this conversation use it according to what they believe their gender is; that is what makes what I do different.
It has less to do with gender and mostly to do with authority... if they get to define themselves, then the powers-that-be lose that power...
And if the authorities were to lose authority, all the bootlicking would have been for nothing.
No, you really can't. If you're wrong, then it wasn't clear now was it? Opinions aren't knowledge either. Assumptions aren't knowledge either. The irony of you redefining basic words in an argument on this topic is not lost on me.
It isn't and that's the point! We both treat these characteristics as the defining features of what a "he" or "she" is. We both refuse to investigate actual scientific facts about a person's sex. Because we both use "he" and "she" to refer to these socially defined traits and not biological facts that are unknown to us.
You're going to do things exactly the same way I do, using the exact same information, and making the exact same judgements. Actual biological facts never once enter the picture because they aren't important when we refer to people as "he" or "she". Biological sex is not important to pronoun usage and you agree, that's why you put zero effort into investigating actual scientific facts just like I do. You're pretending as though you use words differently, but you don't.
Does biology always matter in every situation and context? My claim is that sometimes it don't, so if you're picking a fight, that's the side (it always does) that you're taking.If you were dating a person who convincingly appeared as a woman to you....and upon your first night of intimacy, you find out "she" actually has a penis....
Does biology suddenly matter? Or are you still convinced of womanhood?
It's just a power struggle then....thanks for clearing that up.
Actually I make assumptions about her based on biological facts! It is a fact that when it comes to mammals (humans included) only females give birth, male dogs or male humans do not.No, you are just making an assumption about her gender identity based on the shape of her genitals and concluding you are correct because, really, if you were wrong, how would you know?
Again’ it can be clear, and I could still be wrong.Of course! Because you don't know who's going to win!
For me they areI know you don't. I said you don't. Biological facts aren't important to you when deciding what pronouns to use.
Most people perceive biology and gender as the same, there are only people like you who don’t. It is only recent that people like you go around claiming gender has nothing to do with biological sex, and claiming men can get pregnant. I’m not like you, I see biology and gender to be the same but when I run into a person like you, I tell them I am addressing their biology, not their gender if accused of misgendering them.No, most people use "he" and "she" based on how that person presents themselves, just like you and I do. What you do is no different from that. Most people don't care about biological facts when determining pronoun usage, just like you and I don't care. You aren't different.
How am I being rude to, or even offending someone I’m not even talking to?The only difference is that your plan to intentionally use pronouns that offend people if you happen upon the knowledge that you never cared about before it was a trans person. You've made up a phony excuse to go out of your way to be rude, when just acting how you already act all the time is the polite way to be.
The outcome of future events is never "clear". You aren't psychic. Repeating false assertions doesn't make them true. Knowing the stats and conditions of all the players prior to a game does not make future events "clear" to you.Again’ it can be clear, and I could still be wrong.
No, they aren't. If they were, you would investigate them. You put zero effort into knowing those biological facts, so claiming they're important now is a lie. Repeating false assertions doesn't make them true.For me they are
That's a lie. I have made no such claim. If you can't make an argument without fabricating things whole-cloth, then you're in trouble buddy.It is only recent that people like you go around claiming gender has nothing to do with biological sex, and claiming men can get pregnant.
You can't address things that are unknown to you. That's what's so phony about your whole thing. Repeating false assertions doesn't make them true.I’m not like you, I see biology and gender to be the same but when I run into a person like you, I tell them I am addressing their biology, not their gender if accused of misgendering them.
Another phony-bologna excuse. If I write a post to Kylie telling her "That Ken sure is dumb" I'm not even talking to you, so it can't be rude, huh?How am I being rude to, or even offending someone I’m not even talking to?
The outcome does not have to be clear, just the information I believe necessary to meet my subjective standard of being absolutely certain.The outcome of future events is never "clear". You aren't psychic.
Do you do a complete investigations on everything that is important to you? I don't.No, they aren't. If they were, you would investigate them. You put zero effort into knowing those biological facts, so claiming they're important now is a lie.
Oh! Perhaps I've misunderstood you; so..... you don't believe trans men can get pregnant? If not, what's stopping them?That's a lie. I have made no such claim. If you can't make an argument without fabricating things whole-cloth, then you're in trouble buddy.
Again; to know means to be absolutely certain.You can't address things that are unknown to you.
It might be rude, but I won’t be offended unless I read her post.Another phony-bologna excuse. If I write a post to Kylie telling her "That Ken sure is dumb" I'm not even talking to you, so it can't be rude, huh?
I think you're just upset because Ken rejects the use of preferred pronouns (trans ideology) and instead uses pronouns in the traditional sense. That doesn't mean he goes around intentionally trying to offend trans people. I mean seriously how long do you need to be around a trans person before you realize they're trans? A principle we could all learn from this is don't get easily offended. Pick your battles.The outcome of future events is never "clear". You aren't psychic. Repeating false assertions doesn't make them true. Knowing the stats and conditions of all the players prior to a game does not make future events "clear" to you.
No, they aren't. If they were, you would investigate them. You put zero effort into knowing those biological facts, so claiming they're important now is a lie. Repeating false assertions doesn't make them true.
That's a lie. I have made no such claim. If you can't make an argument without fabricating things whole-cloth, then you're in trouble buddy.
You can't address things that are unknown to you. That's what's so phony about your whole thing. Repeating false assertions doesn't make them true.
Another phony-bologna excuse. If I write a post to Kylie telling her "That Ken sure is dumb" I'm not even talking to you, so it can't be rude, huh?
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