To My Brethren...evolution

Daedalus · May 5, 2004

Evolution is a non-sence from start to the end.
Evolution is not science , it is a beliefe sistem.
Biology is a science, genetics is a science; anything that studies facts and does not propose a "greater view" over life (I though that was the job of philosophy or religion....) I agree it is a science.
I was taught the "Theory of Evolution" in the highschol; I must have cried for couple of days that God did not exist and that we evlolved from well.... well... plain void.
I did some research and what seemed as the truth turned out to be dust in the eye.

So I then asked (mself and the teacher) why were we taught the "Theory of Evolution" and not just "Evolution".
No matter how hard I tried, the guy would say the words -- because it's still a theory today just as it was 200 years ago.
It's based on totaly wrong prepositions -- life had an infinity to start -- sure Darwin never heard of Big Bang 200 years ago, this is a recent discovery.
But Darwin clearly knew the age of the Earth, and the Earth didn't have an age = infinity.
Darwin himself the theory is highly speculative and it's just a theory.

There were no missing links when Darwin enounced his theory, there are none now (don't give me the Archeoptrix ****, Archeoptrix is clearly a bird; besides we have a proverb in Romania -- "A single flower doesn't make the spring"); there should have been millions of intermidiate links between one species to another.

Ask any serious doctor if he thinks the human heart is a pure chance; if the human eye is just a chance; any engineer how much he would give to create something close to a human knee.

We now know today that the early embrion studies that were made to show how much the embrions of diffrent species look the same (the study was conducted by an evolutionist ) were flawed and the drawings were fakes.

Uuups.... that's a whole semester's hard work in the "theory of evolution" proven flawed....

I'm still puzzled today why we were not given ONE chance to study the "Creationist Theory", not for one semester as we did with the "Theory of Evolution" but 2 hours with someone trained and that knew all the facts that would have showen the truth.

But no, people must believe we are just mamles 2% diffrent from monkies (the common figure is that humans and chimps are related in proportion of 98% in their genes; human genetics shows a baby and his mother can't be more "related" than 96% of their makeup; that makes me wonder....).
We must believe we are just animals.
Because in this context we are just trade goods, we don't need no family, there are no absolute moral values.
WE CAN THEN DO ANYTHING.
We have to be ignorant so we can be hearded more easilly, we must think the christian church did a GRATE evil to the man kind in 2000 years by obstructing it's free will and imposing morality.

In this context the world will have it's common enemy and unite against it.
They will not bear the looks of the rightcheous; the christian view is like pain in the neck that won't go away; christians now disturb their "peace" and "well-being".
They will crush "the enemy" and hope in this way they will get what was promised to them -- a world of material well-being, where people live in luxury and can do anything they want (do an orgy with 500.000 gay people on the streets, party-party-party, drink-drink-drink, have sex-sex-sex with anyone anywhere); the individual is crushed by rapid changes in his life (no stabil relationships -- no real friends, relatives); whatever evil he recives he will multiply by 10 and do to the others; children are killed in their mother's wounds, old people eutahnasiated.
It is what they have allways preached -- we will indeed be just animals, that is what people will be reduced to.

Captain_Jack_Sparrow · May 5, 2004

I understand that English is not your first language, so I'll forgive the grammatical errors, but the content of your post is ridiculous.

I hope this is a consequence of your age but I'm afraid it may be more deep rooted than that.

By the way, you claim affiliation with a church (Orthodox) that I believe accepts evolution.

Drotar · May 5, 2004

Daedalus said:
Evolution is a non-sence from start to the end.
Evolution is not science , it is a beliefe sistem.
Biology is a science, genetics is a science; anything that studies facts and does not propose a "greater view" over life (I though that was the job of philosophy or religion....) I agree it is a science.

Evolution is science as much as black holes and gravity is. Why do people compare evolution to gravity so frequently? Because both are THEORIES. I don't care if you call evolution "just a theory". Because it is. But don't call it a hypothesis or "just an educated guess" or I will smack you upside the head with an online fish. It is a THEORY in that it is a body of hundreds well-supported hypotheses that makes testable predictions and is the only system which explains as many biological phenomena as possible right now.

I was taught the "Theory of Evolution" in the highschol;

Something probably went wrong. More than likely, your teacher was probably incompetent. Many biology teachers in high school are not suited for their jobs, that being said many are creationist. That's one reason why I want to be a biology teacher for high school while I'm working on my masters. (After I start college anyways. )

I must have cried for couple of days that God did not exist and that we evlolved from well.... well... plain void.

I rejoice everyday that I know God exists and that He carefully and miraculously evolved us from "plain void."

I did some research and what seemed as the truth turned out to be dust in the eye.

I'd do some more research.

So I then asked (mself and the teacher) why were we taught the "Theory of Evolution" and not just "Evolution".
No matter how hard I tried, the guy would say the words -- because it's still a theory today just as it was 200 years ago.
It's based on totaly wrong prepositions -- life had an infinity to start -- sure Darwin never heard of Big Bang 200 years ago, this is a recent discovery.
But Darwin clearly knew the age of the Earth, and the Earth didn't have an age = infinity.
Darwin himself the theory is highly speculative and it's just a theory.

Actually that's not true at all. Darwin thought the earth is YOUNGER than we know it is today. Lord Kelvin's disputes with geologists demonstrate the common thread of thought on the age of the earth at the time.

There were no missing links when Darwin enounced his theory, there are none now (don't give me the Archeoptrix ****, Archeoptrix is clearly a bird; besides we have a proverb in Romania -- "A single flower doesn't make the spring"); there should have been millions of intermidiate links between one species to another.

Actually, that's why there are eight Archaeopteryx fossils; multiple of wish are almost fully preserved.

If it's a bird, explain why it has a reptilian mandible with teeth and why the cervical spine connects to the cranium at a flat horizontal angle.

By the way, watch your speech here. That doesn't impress anyone here. We're all Christians.

Actually there are hundreds of transitional fossils. I'd look into it. A partial list can be found on talkorigins.org.

Ask any serious doctor if he thinks the human heart is a pure chance; if the human eye is just a chance; any engineer how much he would give to create something close to a human knee.

Ok, I asked my dad. He said yes.

I work for him as a chiropractic assistant and am quite versed in anatomy and physiological sciences. I say yes. Because I don't think it just happened. I believe the first heart could have resembled a pump and elementary system of vessels that mutated from an existent nervous system that functioned by osmosis or facilitated diffusion in primitive multicellular organisms.

We now know today that the early embrion studies that were made to show how much the embrions of diffrent species look the same (the study was conducted by an evolutionist ) were flawed and the drawings were fakes.

The "embrion" study? Embrion study... embrion study... you'll have to inform me on that one.

Unless you're referring to embryos. In which case I'd look again. Literally- there are photographs on the internet.

Uuups.... that's a whole semester's hard work in the "theory of evolution" proven flawed....

You're my hero.

I'm still puzzled today why we were not given ONE chance to study the "Creationist Theory", not for one semester as we did with the "Theory of Evolution" but 2 hours with someone trained and that knew all the facts that would have showen the truth.

Because the creationist theory was proven wrong on physical and chemical and geological grounds. I'm sure a hindu person could prove that humans have existed for millions of years too, like the authors of Forbidden Archaeology could have swayed your minds too.

But no, people must believe we are just mamles 2% diffrent from monkies (the common figure is that humans and chimps are related in proportion of 98% in their genes; human genetics shows a baby and his mother can't be more "related" than 96% of their makeup; that makes me wonder....).

Source? And by the way,figures I have read (RECENT figures) place similarities between chimps and humans at 95%. This makes sense since much of our genome consists of mysterious microsatellites.

We must believe we are just animals.
Because in this context we are just trade goods, we don't need no family, there are no absolute moral values.
WE CAN THEN DO ANYTHING.

Actually, we're animals with spirits and consciousness whom God created over billions of years to have a personal relationship with through Christ Jesus. Yeah, there are moral values because God gave me to us through various dispensations and through His written Word.

We have to be ignorant so we can be hearded more easilly, we must think the christian church did a GRATE evil to the man kind in 2000 years by obstructing it's free will and imposing morality.

Yes, we're ignorant. By the way you mispelled "grate" and "hearded" and "man kind". Actually morality has been around since Adam and Eve, about 50,000 years- not just the church for the past <2000.

In this context the world will have it's common enemy and unite against it.
They will not bear the looks of the rightcheous; the christian view is like pain in the neck that won't go away; christians now disturb their "peace" and "well-being".

What?

They will crush "the enemy" and hope in this way they will get what was promised to them -- a world of material well-being, where people live in luxury and can do anything they want (do an orgy with 500.000 gay people on the streets, party-party-party, drink-drink-drink, have sex-sex-sex with anyone anywhere); the individual is crushed by rapid changes in his life (no stabil relationships -- no real friends, relatives); whatever evil he recives he will multiply by 10 and do to the others; children are killed in their mother's wounds, old people eutahnasiated.

Dude, are you okay?

It is what they have allways preached -- we will indeed be just animals, that is what people will be reduced to.

Actually, we're animals with the gift of morality and consciousness and an eternal spirit, and we specifically are Gentile Christians given the gift of eternal life. How does it matter HOW God created us? TTYL Jesus loves you!

ThePhoenix · May 6, 2004

Captain_Jack_Sparrow said:
I understand that English is not your first language, so I'll forgive the grammatical errors, but the content of your post is ridiculous.

I hope this is a consequence of your age but I'm afraid it may be more deep rooted than that.

By the way, you claim affiliation with a church (Orthodox) that I believe accepts evolution.

Oh, I think it's more deeply rooted then that, unless you're argueing I post that badly (Oh well, maybe I do )

gluadys · May 6, 2004

Daedalus said:
Evolution is a non-sence from start to the end.
Evolution is not science , it is a beliefe sistem.

Evolution is a scientific theory which scientists of many different faiths find to be accurate and helpful in their work.

Biology is a science, genetics is a science; anything that studies facts and does not propose a "greater view" over life (I though that was the job of philosophy or religion....) I agree it is a science.

Evolution is science. It studies facts and does not promote a "greater view" over life.

I was taught the "Theory of Evolution" in the highschol; I must have cried for couple of days that God did not exist and that we evlolved from well.... well... plain void.

If your science teacher told you that evolution means God does not exist, your teacher was either mis-informed or lying. Evolution says no more about God than auto mechanics does.

So I then asked (mself and the teacher) why were we taught the "Theory of Evolution" and not just "Evolution".
No matter how hard I tried, the guy would say the words -- because it's still a theory today just as it was 200 years ago.

Yes, a theory in science is always a theory, just like the atomic theory or the Copernican theory of heliocentricity. But in science, a theory is not a wild guess or untried speculation. It is an hypothesis which has been tested against reality again and again and not found to be false. The theory of evolution has passed many tests in 150 years and all have resulted in more support for evolution and no falsification.

It's based on totaly wrong prepositions -- life had an infinity to start -

No, it is your assumptions that are incorrect. Evolution does require more than a few thousand years. But it does not require infinite time. Darwin estimated 100,000 million years might be enough. That is probably an under-estimate. But we know now that over 3 billion years were available for life on earth to evolve into the species we see today.

There were no missing links when Darwin enounced his theory, there are none now (don't give me the Archeoptrix ****, Archeoptrix is clearly a bird; besides we have a proverb in Romania -- "A single flower doesn't make the spring"); there should have been millions of intermidiate links between one species to another.

No, a single flower doesn't make a spring. But in addition to the eight Archeopteryx fossils we have many more dinosaur-bird transitional fossils.

http://www.extinctanimal.com/prehistoric/prehistoric_birds.htm

http://www.dinosaur-museum.org/featheredinosaurs/

Ask any serious doctor if he thinks the human heart is a pure chance; if the human eye is just a chance; any engineer how much he would give to create something close to a human knee.

No person who understands evolution says that it happens by chance. This is mis-information.

We now know today that the early embrion studies that were made to show how much the embrions of diffrent species look the same (the study was conducted by an evolutionist ) were flawed and the drawings were fakes.

However, many other people have also studied embryological development and provided us with good information--and all of it supports evolution.

I'm still puzzled today why we were not given ONE chance to study the "Creationist Theory", not for one semester as we did with the "Theory of Evolution" but 2 hours with someone trained and that knew all the facts that would have showen the truth.

Because it is not science and it is not truth. Do you want your school to teach you lies?

But no, people must believe we are just mamles 2% diffrent from monkies (the common figure is that humans and chimps are related in proportion of 98% in their genes; human genetics shows a baby and his mother can't be more "related" than 96% of their makeup; that makes me wonder....).

Humans have been classified as mammals ever since scientific classification began. That classification was established long before Darwin was born and by Christians.

We must believe we are just animals.

We are animals. Even the bible says so. But there is no reason why being animals means we are "just animals". Information about our evolutionary history does not change that.

Because in this context we are just trade goods, we don't need no family, there are no absolute moral values.
WE CAN THEN DO ANYTHING.

Evolution certainly does not teach that. Do the wrong things too often, and you end up extinct. And we do need family to keep the species going.

We have to be ignorant so we can be hearded more easilly, we must think the christian church did a GRATE evil to the man kind in 2000 years by obstructing it's free will and imposing morality.

In this context the world will have it's common enemy and unite against it.
They will not bear the looks of the rightcheous; the christian view is like pain in the neck that won't go away; christians now disturb their "peace" and "well-being".
They will crush "the enemy" and hope in this way they will get what was promised to them -- a world of material well-being, where people live in luxury and can do anything they want (do an orgy with 500.000 gay people on the streets, party-party-party, drink-drink-drink, have sex-sex-sex with anyone anywhere); the individual is crushed by rapid changes in his life (no stabil relationships -- no real friends, relatives); whatever evil he recives he will multiply by 10 and do to the others; children are killed in their mother's wounds, old people eutahnasiated.
It is what they have allways preached -- we will indeed be just animals, that is what people will be reduced to.

And none of this rant has any relevance to evolution.

artybloke · May 8, 2004

I am an ex catholic and know many ex catholics.

I am an ex-evangelical, and know many ex-evangelical. My faith is nevertheless deep.

Card42 · May 13, 2004

cottagerose said:
Evolutionists use all kinds of jargon,they claim it's because they are educated in Science,Geology,the solar system,ect..... yet when you also study these subjects for yourself,you later find out that they have their own science teachers and supporters of evolution that they follow after and only listen to. They are aware,(many are) that science,true science doesn't support them at all!

i used to think that way
about creationism and science
until i went to school
and spent time
learning a science (economics).
people make the same claims
about free-market economics
that they do about evolution.
that the only reason why
something in evolutionary science/capitalist economics
is accepted
is because of some conspiracy theory.

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