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MarvinAndroid42 said:
Can someone give me the most comprehensive internet site against the arguments made by creationism?
http://www.talkorigins.org

It's not necessarily against creationism, it just puts forth the facts of evolution which naturally discredit magic.
 
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MarvinAndroid42 said:
Can someone give me the most comprehensive internet site against the arguments made by creationism?
Any of them. Even Answersingenesis.org offers excellent arguments against the various claims of creationism.
 
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MarvinAndroid42 said:
Can someone give me the most comprehensive internet site against the arguments made by creationism?
The nost comprehensive site is reality.

If you are looking for quick answers, the above are excellent, but if you really want to know and understand, just look out your window and find out what works.
 
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The misrepresentation of the second law of thermodynamics can be traced at least to the early 1970s when it was touted by Duane Gish. It was patheticly wrong then, and it is pathetically wrong now.

Since this particular creationist canard has been refuted over and over for at least 30 years, any creationist invoking the 2ndLaw is either admitting gross ignorance or dishonesty.

I'll leave the rending of creato limbs to others, but a good place to start is; The Second Law of Thermodynamics in the Context of the Christian Faith by Allan H. Harvey. A more technical approach without much effort to "go easy" is Entropy and the second law of thermodynamics. And for an important introduction to the application of thermodynamics to cellular stuctures, I recommend The Nonequilibrium Thermodynamics of Small Systems.

Some good low level introductions are available from links given in the articles above.
 
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EDIT: forgot to mention, the read on SLoT is very informative and fills in a few of the details Steiger left out...

Tim Wallace's butchering of the second law shows a stunning lack of understanding of both evolution and thermodynamics. Funny how his amazing insights (which can be debunked by any 19 year old with a semester of college level physics) have not been picked up by the Nobel committee - he has somehow found observed processes that break the 2nd law - ha!

I am sure you will think that because I do not bother to write a dissertation to attacking every point in his worthless diatribe that I must not be able to refute his claims. You are free to believe that - you'd be wrong, but you are free to believe that. The truth is that creationists, even ones who know better like Sarfati at AiG like to use this ridiculous argument because they know that most of their opponents will just throw their hands up and ignore them instead of taking the time necessary to educate every possible audience on how bad this argument really is. See, real physics uses annoying things like math - that most people don't want to spend the time to try to understand - shocking that Wallace doesn't, he just uses bad reasoning, faulty understanding, and a big old quote mine.

One quick counter - Wallace is concern that "raw solar energy" would just speed up the 2nd Law (this is an assinine statement BTW) and that life needs a "energy conversion mechanism" which he tries to fool the reader into being something unique to life. This is of course absurd - air being heated and rising converts infrared radiation (heat) into kinetic energy (rising) into potential energy (gravity). Of course there is also the WATER CYCLE as a big freaking example of an "energy conversion and storage mechanism" - look it up, you might learn something.
 
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Thanks all.

I'm pretty convinced in the falsity of creationism, but my mother isn't.
She had the pastor give her a print-out of this link Top Evidences Against the Theory of Evolution which she wants to use to "challenge" me.

I've found a few sites here and there that directly address the points made by Mr. Doug LaPointe there, though they aren't university-affiliated, just amateur. [1]
But in any case, I haven't been able to find credentials of this LaPointe person. Apparently he's a reverend at a church. And "Calvary Academy" appears to be a high school [2].

If someone might help me blast Rev. LaPointe's points out of the water, I'd really appreciate it.
:)
 
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